Qantas Business Class meals & menus

also on AKL-CHC/WLG on NZ you only get Y. :D

Do NZ also charge $700-$2000 one way fares?
(Honest question, I never flew NZ Dom)

I don't mind being served Y meal in J if the ticket price is reasonable. On short sectors in AU you don't usually get lie flat seats so the hard product is just slightly better than Y. The big difference should be in the catering but in reality pax often get Y quality meals served in nicer plates.
 
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Lunch on QF431 today. Beef, mushroom chutney and a bit too much cheese toastie. The lemon curd tart was quite nice. The Heathcote Shiraz as well.
 
Was in Row4 on QF863 today.

Main dish in biz looked like a cannelloni of some description

Given the wines were right in front of me, they were:

Salomon Estate Norwood Shiraz Cabernet
Hesketh Regional Adelaide Hills Sauvignon Blanc 2015
Both $17-18 from Epiqure/DMs
 
Do NZ also charge $700-$2000 one way fares?
(Honest question, I never flew NZ Dom)

I don't mind being served Y meal in J if the ticket price is reasonable. On short sectors in AU you don't usually get lie flat seats so the hard product is just slightly better than Y. The big difference should be in the catering but in reality pax often get Y quality meals served in nicer plates.

tbh this has probably gone off topic for this thread(?) but no, of course they don't charge that

but again I say this fare paid/charged really isn't directly related to service provided on board.

you know though you don't NEED lie-flat seats on a 1 hour sector (well 99.99% of pax don't :) ) and I think the airline's philosophy is more that J food on these sectors is more of a snack than anything rather than a meal replacement - you can either eat before or after the flight (yes, connecting passengers is a whole other kettle of fish and argument).

fares buy transportation. Sure, you buy a premium care then there's certain expectations with that - and I agree that QF can often do a poor job of meeting those (but I have had some bloody brilliant meals on these short sectors - but most of them are meh to poor). I don't fly those sectors for the food but I can understand to some it is an important point. Perhaps the foodies can find a better meal at VA? I don't know (I don't fly them).

I totally understand the desire for better food (Look at some of the slop in the lounges!) - even on shorter sectors - don't get me wrong on this, but I think QF know their competition (probably, as I said I don't fly them) serves similar stuff (and I know many airlines "mystery shop" on each other to keep tabs on the competition - in fact I know of one major US airline who sent peeps out to see product offerings all over the world - so much so that those folks got elite status elsewhere from these types of flying - as part of a strategy to build a new product to compete, but I digress :) ).

QF only has to "match" what the other guy is doing - until someone decides to "innovate" and provide a better service level we'll probably get more of the same.. and with the amount of folks actually paying the ridiculous full J fares they charge being relatively few, there's little reason for either carrier to make a lot of effort in this area as it's not worth it to them cost wise.

If we had a jetBlue type operation offering a superior and funky product at a great price, a la Mint, that would up the ante, but our market can just not cope with another offering, specially premium (remember ozjet?)

anyway I guess everyone's mileage varies. maybe in the future carriers can somehow offer a online ordering of meals (I know AA and some others do this already) but more complete such that you could even potentially choose from say a cupcafe, muffin, fruit or IC "dessert" and say out of a choice of mains) - manage it through the apps, cut off say 24h before flight then catering can figure it out and board the meals much like special meals are done. logicially difficult and more costly, but it could happen - if someone wanted to take the time and effort to invest in it.

just some random thoughts
 
Service time is tight on these short sectors - it's enough they can get to serve all pax with at least 10 minutes or so to actually consume food.

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The reality is - specialy on these short haul flights - we are still pretty spoilt when it comes to catering options. Maybe some of the asian carriers do just as good a job too but if you ever fly AA on a 2 hour sector and get nothing but a biscuit in "F" then you'll come to adore QF J :)

Service time is not short - staffing is short! Asian carriers - SQ, CX, JL, NH, raft-of-chinese carriers... all can provide a full meal to full cabins (up to 42 seats) in well under an hour. But they have the staff to meet that demand. HKG-TPE is an example - full three course hot meal and bread service + drinks.

The price of the fare is for transportation, but it also covers staff costs... and for the prices we pay in Australia, airlines could add the staff if they wanted to. Or perhaps change the service order to make it more efficient. The QF approach on wide-bodies to have to staff serving at a snail's pace with another staff member appearing to do not much more than service some bread doesn't help.
 
Probably one of the more extreme examples, but they should try a flight on CX/SQ SIN-HKG. By great circle distance, SIN-HKG is slightly shorter than PER-MEL. It's a whole different world in J especially on the long-haul seats, and even in Y, pax get a proper full meal - ice cream included if it's not a breakfast.

Sorry but both VA and QF have more elaborate J catering on transcontinental than CX on hkg-sin.
 
Probably one of the more extreme examples, but they should try a flight on CX/SQ SIN-HKG. By great circle distance, SIN-HKG is slightly shorter than PER-MEL. It's a whole different world in J especially on the long-haul seats, and even in Y, pax get a proper full meal - ice cream included if it's not a breakfast.

I dunno... CX offers a full bar including champagne. QF probably has the edge on food, but 'bowl of soup' followed by 'big bowl of soup' isn't for everyone.

Yeah QF have a full bar too sans champagne . I haven't ever had a 2 soup meal on QF. cx do not have a choice of starter and its casserole dish mains that look pretty bloody cheap and pathetic for modern J class. Served on trays too unlike qf and va.
 
Yeah QF have a full bar too sans champagne . I haven't ever had a 2 soup meal on QF. cx do not have a choice of starter and its casserole dish mains that look pretty bloody cheap and pathetic for modern J class. Served on trays too unlike qf and va.

I'll take food on a tray on CX with their guaranteed 10 inches extra legroom on regional products and no 'premium economy A330' 2-3-2 configuration!
 
Probably one of the more extreme examples, but they should try a flight on CX/SQ SIN-HKG. By great circle distance, SIN-HKG is slightly shorter than PER-MEL. It's a whole different world in J especially on the long-haul seats, and even in Y, pax get a proper full meal - ice cream included if it's not a breakfast.

I'll take food on a tray on CX with their guaranteed 10 inches extra legroom on regional products and no 'premium economy A330' 2-3-2 configuration!

Haha regional j on CX is a joke. I think Qantas and VA with suites are a slight upgrade if you want to compare sectors like sin/hkg with mel/per .but go on keep on comparing international business with domestic. You won't be convinced ever quite clearly that things are pretty great here. Why even bother comparing a flight from hong kong with a domestic flight in Australia anyway ??

A more relevant comparison would be cx regional to sq regional. Cx look absolutely pathetic compared with SQ. Cx long haul j catering is abysmal too.
 
You'd be surprised how much F&B can be served on short sectors. QF don't serve ice cream or other small desserts on all routes because they want to save money not because there is not enough time.
When asked why no dessert on the PER-MEL menu I was told the flight is 'too short'. It's a 3.5 hours flight!!
When someone pays the ridiculous fares QF charge for Dom J they have every right to demand top service.

You make a fair point about AA. Compared to the treatment on USA carriers we are indeed blessed here in AU but I don't agree that some of the Asian carries will do just as good job as QF. Many of them have far superior service on short sectors.

On QF475 (MEL-PER) yesterday (lunch). MEL was a bit chaotic with weather delays etc. first good news equipment change 737 to 330 with the new whizz bang J seats. Menu was varied with good choices. I had red curry soup which was delicious with a pizzette to follow which was OK. Dessert offering was chocolate and almond tart which I declined for a Snickers ice cream.
 
So to bring us back on topic :)

QF612 last Saturday MEL-BNE 10am departure had a really very good, and appropriate for the time of day, toasted Brie(?) and ham croissant. It was really tasty!20160618_105036.jpg

Return flight yesterday there was only 1 pax in J served (out of 12) due to medium level bumps through 80% of the flight thanks to the east coast weather (crew VERY apologetic, including Captain several times). The options had included a BBQ pork on fried rice which I was kind of looking forward to :) Still, no issue whatsoever with the lack of service.
 
Last night ADL-MEL flight scheduled at 5:20pm and they were serving dinner (pork & veal meatballs, quite nice).
 
So to bring us back on topic :)

... The options had included a BBQ pork on fried rice which I was kind of looking forward to :) Still, no issue whatsoever with the lack of service.

Based on other posts of yours, I think that fried rice dish is what I had SYD-PER a couple of months ago. It was absolutely terrible. I reckon you caught a break!
 
BNE - CNS QF786 Sunday 19/6 dinner - roast chicken
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CNS-BNE QF771 Friday 17/6 dinner - opted for roast chicken salad (was offered meatballs but had meatballs week previously)

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BNE-CNS QF786 Sunday 12/6 dinner - meatballs / polenta chips

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BNE-CNS QF786 Sunday 5/6 dinner - (dish name escapes me sorry but was like a lasagne without the pasta sheets)

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22/6 QF501 BNE/MEL Breakfast

Options: Bircher Muesli OR Greek Yogurt with stewed (??) apple plus Poached Eggs with French Toast, Mushrooms & Pesto

Poached Eggs are my least favourite way of having eggs, but they weren't runny (my bugbear). Mushrooms were nice.

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22/6 QF634 MEL/BNE Dinner

Options were beef with (some) sauce (the name of which I can't recollect) OR Chicken salad with feta, pistachios and vinaigrette .

I chose the Chicken salad and it was superb - very generoud with chicken pieces (5 or 6 large mouthfuls) and pistachios. Downed it with Vasse Felix 2013 Cabernet Merlot (white was a Shaw + Smith). My wife appreciated the dark chocolate + coconut Lindt ball when I arrived home ;)

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I chose the Chicken salad and it was superb - very generoud with chicken pieces (5 or 6 large mouthfuls) and pistachios. Downed it with Vasse Felix 2013 Cabernet Merlot (white was a Shaw + Smith). My wife appreciated the dark chocolate + coconut Lindt ball when I arrived home ;)

I had this exact same chicken MEL-AKL earlier this week. Agree it was very nice and a decent serving for a salad (not large, but OK given you also get a starter and dessert). Now if only QF would make this the offering for MEL-CBR evenings that would go some way to addressing the woeful meals on these dinner flights. Last night was a tiny greek salad (I was in row 4 so no direct experience and not a great view). I was very happy with my Y chicken sandwich and mini bottle of shiraz.
 

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