Qantas Cancels 787-9 order

[zachary.august]

I really fail to see what is so 'final nail in the coffiny' about regarding the B787-9. QF has to adapt to the changing world. Unfortunately, the day that the masses could fly for $100 the legacy carriers were forced to adopt. People like ozmuzz do not know the entire story and do not necessarily have a background in the fields required to make an informed decision.

 

[ozmuzz]

I really fail to see what is so 'final nail in the coffiny' about regarding the B787-9. QF has to adapt to the changing world. Unfortunately, the day that the masses could fly for $100 the legacy carriers were forced to adopt. People like ozmuzz do not know the entire story and do not necessarily have a background in the fields required to make an informed decision.

And Zachary, you have what qualifications to refute my claims? Do you represent the Qantas Board perhaps....

Qantas has for the last 15 years bought the wrong planes, although the 787 was not the wrong plane and the delays were not their fault. In addition, Joyce's fascination with Jetstar means that Qantas International is headed for the scrap heap. If that wasn't the case then the 787s would go to Qantas first...

 

[medhead]

I really fail to see what is so 'final nail in the coffiny' about regarding the B787-9. QF has to adapt to the changing world. Unfortunately, the day that the masses could fly for $100 the legacy carriers were forced to adopt.

Ok so how is sticking with the fleet that is currently unsuitable adapting? Sorry but sticking your head in the sand is not adapting.

People like ozmuzz do not know the entire story and do not necessarily have a background in the fields required to make an informed decision.

How would you know?


Sent from the Throne

 

[mannej]

And Zachary, you have what qualifications to refute my claims? Do you represent the Qantas Board perhaps....

Qantas has for the last 15 years bought the wrong planes, although the 787 was not the wrong plane and the delays were not their fault. In addition, Joyce's fascination with Jetstar means that Qantas International is headed for the scrap heap. If that wasn't the case then the 787s would go to Qantas first...

Yet we are talking about an order for a plane that has not been built yet. A lot of airlines have been hurt by the 787-8 and 380 delays. If QF went ahead with the order and were forced to wait longer than what they expected for the 787-9, I am sure there would be a bandwagon jumping on stating how QF were in the wrong with waiting for the 787-9's to be made.

What I do find funny is how the comment you make about zachary representing the QF board just because his opinion differs from yours. You also question his qualifications, yet you offer none of your own. For that fact, are we all not keyboard warriers here!

 

[zachary.august]

And Zachary, you have what qualifications to refute my claims? Do you represent the Qantas Board perhaps....

Qantas has for the last 15 years bought the wrong planes, although the 787 was not the wrong plane and the delays were not their fault. In addition, Joyce's fascination with Jetstar means that Qantas International is headed for the scrap heap. If that wasn't the case then the 787s would go to Qantas first...

I said 'necessarily'. I don't represent anyone but myself. What use does QFi have for the 787-8? I am simply saying that have some faith in QF. Joyce is not the only man that works there.

 

[rtyuiop]

I am simply saying that have some faith in QF. Joyce is not the only man that works there.

The problem is that from where I'm sitting, QF management as a whole haven't demonstrated that they're worthy of that faith, over the last several years... From route cuts, through QFF 'enhancements', to less comfortable seating arrangements on A380s, they seem to be intent on reducing value delivered to their customers. I humbly suggest that isn't a great way of saving a division (QFi) that's in trouble!

Danny

 

[ajw373]

The problem is that from where I'm sitting, QF management as a whole haven't demonstrated that they're worthy of that faith, over the last several years... From route cuts, through QFF 'enhancements', to less comfortable seating arrangements on A380s, they seem to be intent on reducing value delivered to their customers. I humbly suggest that isn't a great way of saving a division (QFi) that's in trouble!

Danny

You seem to have forgotten the fact that since privatisation they have had just one loss, which was this year! Compared to almost every other carrier in the world that have made loss after loss. So not a bad record and the profits were not done by magic but through management decision in what is a very tough and variable industry.

 

[ajw373]

Yet we are talking about an order for a plane that has not been built yet. A lot of airlines have been hurt by the 787-8 and 380 delays. If QF went ahead with the order and were forced to wait longer than what they expected for the 787-9, I am sure there would be a bandwagon jumping on stating how QF were in the wrong with waiting for the 787-9's to be made.

What I do find funny is how the comment you make about zachary representing the QF board just because his opinion differs from yours. You also question his qualifications, yet you offer none of your own. For that fact, are we all not keyboard warriers here!

Tell you what I would piss my self laughing if next month Qantas say ordered 777's for Qantas international, with the A330's coming back to domestic as planned. I reckon there would be many on this board eating their words of doom and gloom if this were to be the case.

And tell you what you are spot on about the 787-9. It is indeed an aircraft that is yet to fly, so maybe Qantas knows something that Boeing hasn't as yet announced in regards to the -9 and they have pocketed their deposit and compensation early.

 

[The Rok]

When is the A350 due into service? Would QF be able to get slots quicker than the 777?

 

[Sprucegoose]

When is the A350 due into service? Would QF be able to get slots quicker than the 777?

you are thinking like Sir Peter Ables now!!!

 

[mannej]

When is the A350 due into service? Would QF be able to get slots quicker than the 777?

2015 rings a bell? Which has already been delayed by Airbus

 

[The Rok]

you are thinking like Sir Peter Ables now!!!

Who? ???? ?????

 

[rtyuiop]

You seem to have forgotten the fact that since privatisation they have had just one loss, which was this year! Compared to almost every other carrier in the world that have made loss after loss. So not a bad record and the profits were not done by magic but through management decision in what is a very tough and variable industry.

I'm talking specifically about QF international, which management themselves keep telling us runs at a loss and needs something drastic to save it - e.g. the whole RedQ red herring strategy, which had all the subtlety of 'hey, look over there!'...

I don't think anyone's complaining particularly strongly about the domestic operation, apart from when the occasional enhancement hits.

Danny

 

[Isochronous]

Much as I'm inclined to think that QFi needs to shape up, surely its a case of one having to spend money before one can earn any...QFi surely won't improve if it doesn't modernise its fleet!

 

[The Rok]

It's pointless Qantas spending 8 billion on modernising it's fleet if it is haemorrhaging money from everywhere else in its business. It needs to lower it's personnel costs, lower it's head count, streamline some of its older cost intensive areas like maintenance and when all that is done and you have a solid base to work on - PIMP MY FLEET.

Doing it the other way round does not make sense to me, and I would think it would be difficult to raise finance on good terms while not having an overall well performing business.

Lower your costs, lower your staff numbers, present a good case to investors to provide capital and then by the latest planes!

 

[k3nnis]

I wonder if QF will be like JL where the government needs to step in to save them!

 

[straitman]

An interesting discussion from the "keyboard warriers" as mannej calls those posting here! :shock:

 

[Sprucegoose]

Who? ???? ?????

You are showing your youth. The older set will understand how Ansett got into trouble with a one sir Peter visiting an air show and deciding on a major airbus order on the spot!!

 

[mannej]

An interesting discussion from the "keyboard warriers" as mannej calls those posting here! :shock:

The topic of Qantas does stir some passion!

 

[Must...Fly!]

When is the A350 due into service? Would QF be able to get slots quicker than the 777?

Probably not, all likelihood it will be delayed further. Order book is solid too iirc.