Qantas Delays/Cancellations

Re: General Qantas Delays/Cancellations/etc. Discussion

Melburnian1,

Maybe you should also look to post #8239 in the Ask The Pilot thread.

It's not a case of having a (singular) deicing system. You need many. Larger aircraft will use 2 or 3 simultaneously, and even the small need two trucks. I expect there may also be EPA rules that affect their availability and use too.

Remember part of this can be where different airlines have different trigger points for diversions due volcanic ash etc.
 
Re: General Qantas Delays/Cancellations/etc. Discussion

There were allegedly 25 pax connecting to CNS on our flight, so I was surprised to see the gate closed.
 
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straitman, many thanks for your usual great research or memory (or both). I have been to airports such as MUC and observed my and other planes being deiced, an interesting procedure carried out with trademark German efficiency.

Perhaps the QF spokeswoman who was quoted this morning as saying that there were 'issues' with (her words, not mine) 'the deicing truck' ought consider that there would need to be at least two of these, one for each side of even a smaller aircraft such as a B737. Yet she gave the impression that there is just one truck.

How do these PR people make such gaffes when these days so many journalists or observers have access to so much information on the Internet and on specialised forums such as AFF?

One solution might be to give jb747 a second role as QF spokesman. At least the community might then be told the facts and not some understated assertion such as the official QF comments this morning that the delays were '40 minutes' and that (at 0840) things would be 'returning to normal soon.' The delays in the case below were almost five hours, and some flights this afternoon are still late.

Here is a further update from News.com.au | News Online from Australia and the World | NewsComAu commenting in detail on MEL to PER flight QF775 that (while the article does not say it) eventually departed MEL at 1126 this morning instead of 0630:

Victoria shivers through another freezing morning
 
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Re: General Qantas Delays/Cancellations/etc. Discussion

straitman, many thanks for your usual great research or memory (or both). I have been to airports such as MUC and observed my and other planes being deiced, an interesting procedure carried out with trademark German efficiency.

Perhaps the QF spokeswoman who was quoted this morning as saying that there were 'issues' with (her words, not mine) 'the deicing truck' ought consider that there would need to be at least two of these, one for each side of even a smaller aircraft such as a B737. Yet she gave the impression that there is just one truck.

How do these PR people make such gaffes when these days so many journalists or observers have access to so much information on the Internet and on specialised forums such as AFF?

One solution might be to give jb747 a second role as QF spokesman. At least the community might then be told the facts and not some understated assertion such as the official QF comments this morning that the delays were '40 minutes' and that (at 0840) things would be 'returning to normal soon.' The delays in the case below were almost five hours, and some flights this afternoon are still late.

Here is a further update from News.com.au | News Online from Australia and the World | NewsComAu commenting in detail on MEL to PER flight QF775 that (while the article does not say it) eventually departed MEL at 1126 this morning instead of 0630:

Victoria shivers through another freezing morning
But there is only one truck. Straitman was simply stating that there should be more than one.
 
Re: General Qantas Delays/Cancellations/etc. Discussion

Why aren’t planes wings covered with hessian or some other material at night? This might be a cost effective strategy in places that don't get frosts that often.
 
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The delays continue in some cases to lengthen. Poor Christoo: his QF775 from MEL to PER has been further delayed to a five hour late 1130 departure, meaning a PER arrival at 1345 not 0845. There goes the chap who was quoted in the media's Perth meeting!


Poor me indeed

5hr delay this morning. Once we boarded the captain told us there was ice on the plane and the de-icing machinery was out of service. As a solution they pumped in extra fuel, as it runs through the wings it can help to de-ice the plane. What we were told is that they loaded too much fuel which then exceeded the safe take-off weight for the plane. As a result they offloaded all the luggage but didn't tell us until after we were in the air. Sounds like a mess, surely if they had of done nothing the ice would have melted by ten at the latest? I am pretty sure at least two of the hours was due to the overloading of fuel.

I was assured I would get a call about my bags, but it's 6pm and I am in my Hotel with no luggage on eternal hold with Qantas.
Not a great day...

Still not my record, which was an 8.5hr trip from Sydney to Melbourne where I spent 5hrs on the tarmac in Melbourne after landing due to a Thunderstorm that had no gates free.
 
Re: General Qantas Delays/Cancellations/etc. Discussion

I got caught up in it this morning at MEL. Fairly chaotic and ordinary experience to be honest. Lots of missed connections which didn't wait at all, especially Cairns but also international eg: Jakarta.
 
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After missing QF784 by only minutes I was put onto the next CNS flight. QF786 was delayed half an hour tonight as a flow on from MEL's problems. So I have finally got to CNS at about 10pm. A long day, but good to catch up with Bunny Bear in the BNE J lounge for a bit.
 
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After missing QF784 by only minutes I was put onto the next CNS flight. QF786 was delayed half an hour tonight as a flow on from MEL's problems. So I have finally got to CNS at about 10pm. A long day, but good to catch up with Bunny Bear in the BNE J lounge for a bit.

Bunny Bear? Oh dear is that auto correct in action? Damned funny though.
 
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After missing QF784 by only minutes I was put onto the next CNS flight. QF786 was delayed half an hour tonight as a flow on from MEL's problems. So I have finally got to CNS at about 10pm. A long day, but good to catch up with Bunny Bear in the BNE J lounge for a bit.

It was good to catch up with both Jessica and Bill in the Brisbane QF J lounge last night.

It was funny Bill had made a comment and asked was I going to come and visit him, and I said only if it was after work hours or a weekend, be careful what you wish for.
 
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Possibly because the early morning arriving (scheduled 0525) QF648 from PER to MEL was cancelled, the 0630 hours from MEL to PER on Tuesday 21 July (VH-EBO) did not take off until 0818 and is hence not arriving in the West Australian capital until a forecast 1026, 101 minutes late. QF405, the 0835 hours on the same route is predicted to be half an hour late.

QF94 on Sunday 18 July was meant to depart from LAX at 2250 hours but pulled out at 0048 on Monday, so this morning (Tuesday 21 July's) arrival in MEL is expected at 0930, an hour and 55 late. QF93 back to LAX is therefore forecast to depart MEL an hour and 40 minutes late at 1130 and be an hour and a half late arriving in LAX today at 0840.
 
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QF93 from MEL to LAX is now delayed in its departure to a predicted 1200, while up in SYD, QF11 (also to LAX) faces a far longer delay from its timetabled 0950 to a forecast 1500 hours ex the Harbour City this afternoon, meaning LAX arrival at 1120 and presumably a much later departure in LAX to JFK or other USA destinations. Doubtless an AFFer or three is now looking forward to lunch at sea level in a QFi SYD lounge. Have an extra vino or beer for us!

These delays may be among the reasons why QF's SYD - DFW flights are popular (despite not operating eastbound on Tuesdays), as the latter seem to have a pretty good timekeeping record.

In contrast to the SYD and MEL LAX-bound departures, today's QF15 from BNE to LAX (the B744) is already winging its way to the good ol' USA.

QF29 from MEL to HKG, the 1020 hours departure pushed back at 1218, meaning it will be about an hour and a half late arriving in HKG tonight at around 1930. Refurbished A333 VH-QPD is the aircraft. QF30 from HKG to MEL tonight may therefore be marginally late departing.
 
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i heard somewhere that 'de-icing' in Melbourne involves pushing the aircraft back from the terminal so that it is in the sun and defrosts!!

I can confirm that using the sun to de-ice was indeed the QF method in MEL on Monday morning. I did not notice aircraft being pushed back, just sitting at the gates waiting...
 
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Re: General Qantas Delays/Cancellations/etc. Discussion

The Monday 20 July QF96 (operated by VH-OEI, the usual B744) departed LAX 25 minutes late but was diverted to BNE where it spent from 0446 to 0617 this morning (Wed 22 July 2015) so it is just pulling into MEL at 0850, three hours and 50 minutes late.

Was this diversion due to the prevailing winds and consequent insufficient fuel on board to make it to MEL (a la the previous routing of a QF Transpacific flight via BNE to SYD westbound) or was it a medical diversion?
 
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Was this diversion due to the prevailing winds and consequent insufficient fuel on board to make it to MEL (a la the previous routing of a QF Transpacific flight via BNE to SYD westbound) or was it a medical diversion?

METAR TAF : Melbourne Melbourne Airport Australia

Learn to read these, and you'll be able to work it out.
 
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Thank you jb747.

QF129, the 0935 hours from SYD to PVG today (Wed 22 July 2015) has diverted to MNL where it arrived at 1533 local time (1733 AEST time) and efficiently pushed back at 1614. Medical diversion?

The QF website suggests that the returning QF130 will only be an hour late departing PVG tonight at 2055, as it is forecast to arrive in PVG at 1945. QF's suggestion of just a one hour delay ex PVG may be a 'glass half full' suggestion should there be delays approaching PVG, although at 1655 MNL time it took off.
 
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Re: General Qantas Delays/Cancellations/etc. Discussion

The pilot said there was a problem with the flaps being stuck up, which is the part of the plane which slows it down when it is landing. One passenger said they were out there with Sledge hammers and Crowbars but I thought (or at least I hoped) this was a joke.

I'm pretty sure jb747 knows what function the flaps perform..... just sayin'...
 
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I'm pretty sure jb747 knows what function the flaps perform..... just sayin'...
Apologies for my poor punctuation and that you assumed it was a lesson. The pilot said "there was a problem with the flaps being stuck up, which is the part of the plane which slows it down when it is landing".
 
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QF129 is about to land in PVG so it will be at the gate at roughly 2000. The QF website has amended the departure time of QF130 back to SYD to 2100, meaning a likely arrival in SYD on Thursday 23 July at 0930 or so. A 60 minute turnaround is possible, but many for A330s seem to take at least 70. As jb747 reminds us, such relatively expeditious turnarounds are those 'without any issues.'

QF81 at this stage from SYD to SIN is being formed tomorrow morning by QF130, so expect it to be departing later than its 1020 schedule provided QF sticks to this particular rostering for VH-QPE.
 

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