Qantas double SCs

[medhead]

Red Roo's answer was pretty clear. Domestic legs of international flights - from memory that's QF81, 82 and 8, well and codeshares on JQ I guess, if you can get them. He then goes in to say all other flights will earn as normal.


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[amaroo]

Red Roo's answer was pretty clear. Domestic legs of international flights - He then goes in to say all other flights will earn as normal.

Thats how I understood it.....

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Why would it not count?

Flight is defined under the terms and conditions of the FF program:

'Flight'

means one way travel (without a Stopover) on a scheduled air service with a single flight number (even if the travel includes a change of aircraft). If travel includes a change of flight number, each change is a new Flight even if there is no change of aircraft;
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By this definition, domestic sectors of an international flight can only be the add-on sectors as mentioned above - eg the QF 81/8 etc.

Once you change to a domestic flight number (QF400 and above) it becomes a new flight, which is domestic. It is not the domestic leg of an interational flight.​

 

[nlagalle]

Red Roo's answer was pretty clear. Domestic legs of international flights - from memory that's QF81, 82 and 8, well and codeshares on JQ I guess, if you can get them. He then goes in to say all other flights will earn as normal.


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My understanding (and was the case for the HKG double Staus Credit promo), the domestic leg of an international trip does count. i.e. you may fly ADL-SYD-LAX so the ADL-SYD leg, if on the same PNR does count. And that is how the above is worded too.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

My understanding (and was the case for the HKG double Staus Credit promo), the domestic leg of an international trip does count. i.e. you may fly ADL-SYD-LAX so the ADL-SYD leg, if on the same PNR does count. And that is how the above is worded too.

Just reading the email sent to me regarding the promo the little * refers to eligible flight, not eligible trip (differently defined in the terms and conditions)

 

[dfcatch]

My understanding (and was the case for the HKG double Staus Credit promo), the domestic leg of an international trip does count. i.e. you may fly ADL-SYD-LAX so the ADL-SYD leg, if on the same PNR does count. And that is how the above is worded too.

I'll concede your first point - but I don't believe the above is worded as you say.

I interpreted Red Roo as being very clear as per my comment.

Of course - if it does count for "domestic legs of international itineraries" then that's great

I took it though as "domestic legs of international flights".

 

[nlagalle]

Just reading the email sent to me regarding the promo the little * refers to eligible flight, not eligible trip (differently defined in the terms and conditions)

I think it is pretty clear here:

Domestic segments of International flights in August – Double Status credits will be awarded on a segment basis, so if you travel on an International flight number (QF1 – 399) which incorporates a domestic segment in August (provided the booking, rego and other criteria are met), you will earn double Status credits. All other domestic segments in August will earn at the normal level.

My bolding.. So as i said.. if you flew ADL-SYD-LAX the ADL-SYD leg would get double status credits.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I think it is pretty clear here:



My bolding.. So as i said.. if you flew ADL-SYD-LAX the ADL-SYD leg would get double status credits.

If and only if the ADL-SYD is on an international flight number QF1-399 (so the QF82 on selected days)

An international flight number (as you quote) cannot incorporate a domestic segment. The wording would otherwise say an international trip.

Getting back to the earlier question... PER-SIN via SYD/MEL - there are no international flights PER-SYD/MEL IIRC anymore, so the doemstic flights will not earn double credits.

 

[nlagalle]

If and only if the ADL-SYD is on an international flight number QF1-399.

An international flight number (as you quote) cannot incorporate a domestic segment. The wording would otherwise say an international trip.

Getting back to the earlier question... PER-SIN via SYD/MEL - there are no international flights PER-SYD/MEL IIRC anymore, so the doemstic flights will not earn double credits.

No - provided the international flight you are connecting to has a flight number of QF1-399 it will earn. It's saying that if your domestic flight connects to an international flight it will earn double as well.

It doesn't mean the tag flights (there is only 4 or so anyway on QF). This was stated in the last promo as well, which several people can attest to. I'd happily prove myself right on this however I will be in London for all of August and don't get home til the 31st (flight already booked so no double SC).

 

[MEL_Traveller]

No - provided the international flight you are connecting to has a flight number of QF1-399 it will earn. It's saying that if your domestic flight connects to an international flight it will earn double as well.

It doesn't mean the tag flights (there is only 4 or so anyway on QF). This was stated in the last promo as well, which several people can attest to. I'd happily prove myself right on this however I will be in London for all of August and don't get home til the 31st (flight already booked so no double SC).

I accept your experience, however the terms and conditions of this promo are clear, only international flight numbers.

If everyone gets the bonus flying a domestic flight (QF400 and above) when connecting to international (without a stopover) then that will be good, but there are no contractual grounds in either the offer or the frequent flyer terms and conditions to support it should the double points not be awarded.

I still don't see how an international flight number (singular event, the 'flight' as defined in the terms and conditions finishes once you land) can incorporate a domestic segment other than a tag sector. That would be two flight numbers, not one.

 

[serfty]

Calling Red Roo - your 'clarification' seems a little unclear and open to at least two, IMHO, quite valid interpretations.

 

[medhead]

I think it is pretty clear here:



My bolding.. So as i said.. if you flew ADL-SYD-LAX the ADL-SYD leg would get double status credits.

It's less clear now. I can still only think of 3 international flights that incorporate a domestic segment. But I can also see that maybe something different was intended due to the limited options available for a strict interpretation of those words.


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[Red Roo]

Hi All,
For members targeted with this offer, only travel on QF flight numbers 1 – 399 will earn double Status credits during August 2012 (provided rego and booking etc. conditions are met).

So, for example:
QF81 – SYD-ADL-SIN in Y in August would earn 80 SCs [(15SCs SYD-ADL + 25SCs ADL-SIN)x2]
QF735 – SYD-ADL then QF81 –ADL-SIN in Y would earn 65 SCs [(15SCs SYD-ADL x1)+ (25SCs ADL-SINx2)]

 

[nlagalle]

It's less clear now. I can still only think of 3 international flights that incorporate a domestic segment. But I can also see that maybe something different was intended due to the limited options available for a strict interpretation of those words.


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Looks like I was wrong...

 

[wingspan]

Hi All,
For members targeted with this offer, only travel on QF flight numbers 1 – 399 will earn double Status credits during August 2012 (provided rego and booking etc. conditions are met).

So, for example:
QF81 – SYD-ADL-SIN in Y in August would earn 80 SCs [(15SCs SYD-ADL + 25SCs ADL-SIN)x2]
QF735 – SYD-ADL then QF81 –ADL-SIN in Y would earn 65 SCs [(15SCs SYD-ADL x1)+ (25SCs ADL-SINx2)]

Thank you for the clarification, Red Roo​!

 

[awilcockson]

Re: Qantas Double Status credits

edit: whoops, didn't see Red Roo's clarification. Nothing to see here.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Hi All,
For members targeted with this offer, only travel on QF flight numbers 1 – 399 will earn double Status credits during August 2012 (provided rego and booking etc. conditions are met).

So, for example:
QF81 – SYD-ADL-SIN in Y in August would earn 80 SCs [(15SCs SYD-ADL + 25SCs ADL-SIN)x2]
QF735 – SYD-ADL then QF81 –ADL-SIN in Y would earn 65 SCs [(15SCs SYD-ADL x1)+ (25SCs ADL-SINx2)]

only if you have a stopover?

otherwise im thinking there must be different terms and conditions for different members maybe?

according to my email, SCs can only be earned on eligible flights. nothing about it being counted on a per segment basis (unless I have missed that).

SYD-ADL-SIN on the same day on the QF81 would only earn the total number of SCs based on total distance SYD-SIN which would be 30 for discount Y, doubled to 60. this is the same rule applied for example for a through flight SYD-LHR, you don't get the individual sectors unless you break your journey, or change flight numbers.

in that case, SYD-ADL-SIN taking a domestic flight would net more SCs - 15 for the flight to ADL and then 25x2 for the ADL to SIN sector, for a total of 65.

 

[medhead]

only if you have a stopover?

otherwise im thinking there must be different terms and conditions for different members maybe?

according to my email, SCs can only be earned on eligible flights. nothing about it being counted on a per segment basis (unless I have missed that).

SYD-ADL-SIN on the same day on the QF81 would only earn the total number of SCs based on total distance SYD-SIN which would be 30 for discount Y, doubled to 60. this is the same rule applied for example for a through flight SYD-LHR, you don't get the individual sectors unless you break your journey, or change flight numbers.

in that case, SYD-ADL-SIN taking a domestic flight would net more SCs - 15 for the flight to ADL and then 25x2 for the ADL to SIN sector, for a total of 65.

I think it was sufficient for the purposes of explaining what was intended, even if technically incorrect.

Why don't we agree on ADL-xSYD-SIN on QF82 and QF1 earning double for the domestic leg. The other options involve QF8 BNE-SYD. QF8 to QF7 anyone?

Actually I guess QF81 would also work as 2 segments of a multi city booking, without stopover. :?:

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[Danger]

What's the bet us members of AFF are the only ones getting into the nitty-gritty of the T&Cs?

Don't get me wrong, we need to be absolutely clear on what earns and what doesn't etc., but it makes me chuckle how a seemingly simple promotion can end up being so dissected.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

What's the bet us members of AFF are the only ones getting into the nitty-gritty of the T&Cs?

Don't get me wrong, we need to be absolutely clear on what earns and what doesn't etc., but it makes me chuckle how a seemingly simple promotion can end up being so dissected.

the rules of the FF program are very clear. Through flight numbers only earn the status credits for the total distance of the flight - NOT as was stated, individual sectors.

Any lay person reading the terms and conditions would take that meaning because it is unambiguous^. Only here on AFF does there seem to be a discussion otherwise

^ the exact reference to this in the terms and conditions is:

^ A flight is a trip with a single flight number. If you have to change aircraft but the flight number doesn't change, it is considered the same flight. If the flight number changes during your journey, even if you continue on the same aircraft, this is considered two flights.
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It would be unfortunate if someone though they were going to get segment by segment doubled credits for the QF81 SYD-ADL-SIN - especially if you needed the 15 SCs to requalify for gold or platinum.

Now this is solely based on the email I was sent and the terms and conditions of the FF program, which are referenced in my email. If there are other terms and conditions offered to other FF members then that is obviously a different scenario.