Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

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[Flying Fox]

Well good news about the partnership -

Qantas booking boost thanks to Emirates

Qantas sold six times more tickets to Europe in the past nine weeks as part of its partnership with Emirates than it did in the same time last year.....

Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce says he is encouraged by the response of the travelling public.

Hopefully this will lead to a more profitable QFi.

 

[drross]

Well good news about the partnership -

Qantas booking boost thanks to Emirates

Qantas sold six times more tickets to Europe in the past nine weeks as part of its partnership with Emirates than it did in the same time last year.....

Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce says he is encouraged by the response of the travelling public.

Hopefully this will lead to a more profitable QFi.

really interesting figures!

 

[cmon0005]

Has anyone with QFF status flown EK yet, what does it look like on the BP?

 

[Happy Trails]

really interesting figures!

Let's hope those figures are more reliable than the purported date of the SMH article.

 

[ajw373]

Yeah I noticed that, about a month too early!

 

[BD1959]

Well good news about the partnership -

Qantas booking boost thanks to Emirates

Qantas sold six times more tickets to Europe in the past nine weeks as part of its partnership with Emirates than it did in the same time last year.....

Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce says he is encouraged by the response of the travelling public.

Hopefully this will lead to a more profitable QFi.

Blame the cynic in me but ....

1) AJ has never complained in the past about QFi's loads (well, he has - but only in relation to what other carriers have been carting in respect to total pax numbers) - the complaint has always been that QFi's cost base makes them uncompetitive.

2) We're continually hinted-at that the QFi prices will decrease - so how does the forward projections look given they will (supposedly) be at a lower yield than those 6x sales?

3) I cannot for the life of me make sense of these. If the 6x is against the sole "European" FRA flight ... so QF are now selling 6x a daily 744 with that same 744 plus EK flights? Without additional capacity to DXB to feed that ... or all this is totally ex DXB on EK? If the 6x is against LHR and FRA, that'd be 6x the sales on what? ... 2x Daily A380 and 1x Daily 744 into LHR (were they the available aircraft this time last year?) + 1x Daily 744 FRA? ... Really?

I smell spin.

Regards,

BD

 

[markis10]

Blame the cynic in me but ....

1) AJ has never complained in the past about QFi's loads (well, he has - but only in relation to what other carriers have been carting in respect to total pax numbers) - the complaint has always been that QFi's cost base makes them uncompetitive.

2) We're continually hinted-at that the QFi prices will decrease - so how does the forward projections look given they will (supposedly) be at a lower yield than those 6x sales?

3) I cannot for the life of me make sense of these. If the 6x is against the sole "European" FRA flight ... so QF are now selling 6x a daily 744 with that same 744 plus EK flights? Without additional capacity to DXB to feed that ... or all this is totally ex DXB on EK? If the 6x is against LHR and FRA, that'd be 6x the sales on what? ... 2x Daily A380 and 1x Daily 744 into LHR (were they the available aircraft this time last year?) + 1x Daily 744 FRA? ... Really?

I smell spin.

Regards,

BD

I think you need to go back and read the article and take off the blinkers, QF is talking about European bookings, which prior to the EK tie up was by virtue of codeshares etc with BA in addition to FRA and LHR! AJ mentions loads in the context you are seeking at every results presentation, which of course is in addition to the published monthly loads we he would just be regurgitating. As for QFi prices decreasing, I dont think we have been told that at all, even as a hint, but it seems to be happening, after all when was the last time you could buy east coast to SIN for $699 return, lets not mention going to Brazil! As for the 6x and 7x comments, I note we are not given a base line of what the original was, it could have been 100 booking in either case, or 10000!

 

[BD1959]

I think you need to go back and read the article and take off the blinkers, QF is talking about European bookings

Actually I *don't* see that it's just European mainland. The article (which I read and also other pieces, including QF's own version of the AJ interview in Dubai) states: "Qantas sold six times more tickets to Europe in the past nine weeks as part of its partnership with Emirates than it did in the same time last year." So, what is "Europe".

which prior to the EK tie up was by virtue of codeshares etc with BA in addition to FRA and LHR!

Weren't there also codeshares with CX and AF which have also been abandoned - presumably there, too are included in the baseline.

AJ mentions loads in the context you are seeking at every results presentation, which of course is in addition to the published monthly loads we he would just be regurgitating.

But loads mean nothing if the route is losing money - indeed, the loss might even be increased with increased loads. (unlikely I know, but possible if the greatest variable and cost is fuel).

As for QFi prices decreasing, I dont think we have been told that at all, even as a hint

Traditionally EK fares have been lower than QFs - many tales on here of QF "not yet aligned (lower) with EK". AJ on ABC: "We are working through (Emirates) now and there will be a complete alignment of airfares between Emirates and Qantas and that will happen over the next few weeks because part of the joint venture is to have the exact same airfares between both carriers." ... I certainly took that as a hint that they would be lowered.

As for the 6x and 7x comments, I note we are not given a base line of what the original was, it could have been 100 booking in either case, or 10000!

Agreed!!

Now, where did I put those blinkers??

Regards,

BD

 

[dot]

I think you need to go back and read the article and take off the blinkers, QF is talking about European bookings, which prior to the EK tie up was by virtue of codeshares etc with BA in addition to FRA and LHR! ...

Don't forget the codeshares with AF to CDG and CX to FCO as well...

 

[markis10]

But loads mean nothing if the route is losing money - indeed, the loss might even be increased with increased loads. (unlikely I know, but possible if the greatest variable and cost is fuel).

Your comment was AJ never mentions loads, my point is aside from the mentions he makes at results updates, he does not need to, they are published every month including RSKs and ASKs which are industry benchmarks for success. The government also kindly publishes them along with other airlines for comparison, EKs performance across the Tasman is interesting.

 

[Danger]

Don't forget the codeshares with AF to CDG and CX to FCO as well...

I think both of those disappeared about the time the QF/EK announcement was made. Neither shows in the oneworld timetable.

 

[BD1959]

Your comment was AJ never mentions loads

No my comment was: AJ has never complained in the past about QFi's loads (well, he has - but only in relation to what other carriers have been carting in respect to total pax numbers)

Did you pick up my blinkers??

Regards,

BD

 

[Origin]

I know it is a news .com article but is this saying there is no alcohol ( as well as ham)on Qantas flights in and out of Dubai ?

Qantas bans ham on flights in and out of Dubai after Emirates deal | News.com.au

Must be an error or I am reading it wrong.

 

[oz_mark]

I know it is a news .com article but is this saying there is no alcohol ( as well as ham)on Qantas flights in and out of Dubai ?

Qantas bans ham on flights in and out of Dubai after Emirates deal | News.com.au

Must be an error or I am reading it wrong.

It says that there is no alcohol used in preparing a Halal meal. Quite different to no alcohol on the plane!

 

[markis10]

It says that there is no alcohol used in preparing a Halal meal. Quite different to no alcohol on the plane!

QF1 would not have been the party it was, or perhaps they were saying there was no alcohol left, which was the case for the J and F cabin for certain choices.

 

[alieninperth]

as oz_mark said.

I found these lines interesting,
"Virgin Australia does not serve pork on flights to and from Abu Dhabi and all meals that are prepared are halal accredited, with meat prepared in a way prescribed by Islamic law."

Read more: Qantas bans ham on flights in and out of Dubai after Emirates deal | News.com.au

Was this mentioned in the great bacon debate a few pages ago?

on a seperate, but related note, the only time I remember getting bacon on a plane was on BA, the bacon butty with proper tea, yumm.

I suppose the sausages could be pork, but this could be subbed for beef or chicken with little fuss.

 

[drross]

as oz_mark said.

I found these lines interesting,
"Virgin Australia does not serve pork on flights to and from Abu Dhabi and all meals that are prepared are halal accredited, with meat prepared in a way prescribed by Islamic law."

Read more: Qantas bans ham on flights in and out of Dubai after Emirates deal | News.com.au

Was this mentioned in the great bacon debate a few pages ago?

and the argument goes round and round and no one listens to the joker

 

[markis10]

as oz_mark said.

I found these lines interesting,
"Virgin Australia does not serve pork on flights to and from Abu Dhabi and all meals that are prepared are halal accredited, with meat prepared in a way prescribed by Islamic law."

Read more: Qantas bans ham on flights in and out of Dubai after Emirates deal | News.com.au

Was this mentioned in the great bacon debate a few pages ago?

It might be of interest to AFF members to know that story arose because the journalists asked us on the trip what members were saying about the tie up .

 

[katiebell]

Well good news about the partnership -

Qantas booking boost thanks to Emirates

Qantas sold six times more tickets to Europe in the past nine weeks as part of its partnership with Emirates than it did in the same time last year.....

Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce says he is encouraged by the response of the travelling public.

Hopefully this will lead to a more profitable QFi.

Call me cynical but Qantas has had a lot of deeply discounted tickets since the announcement. My bookings to Europe have gone up 6x ONLY because of hte deeply discounted tickets (1/2 price) which I had never found on QF prior to the announcement. If it were not for these massive savings I would be travelling on another airline with better dep & arr times, better luggage allowance and better transit point en route. Will the bookings stay high once QF returns to top price tickets? ON the other hand, if QF can continue to sell deeply discounted tickets now, why was that not possible before?