Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

[Jacques Vert]

One thing that doesn't seem to have come up:

I seem to remember reading that the EC is/has introduced a form of carbon tax on flights that is based, in part, on the distance from the last airport departed. DXB-LHR is significantly shorter than SIN-LHR so a considerable cost saving if my memory is correct?

Also, not back-tracking to other European ports not only saves time but is more efficient for the airlines and the environment.

JV

 

[simongr]

On the flip side to that when flying SYD-LCA on paid flights as part of a DONE4 I would have earned an extra 60 SCs each way...

 

[Danger]

In a second article in today's West Australian, GeoffreyThomas adds ". . . Emirates will add a new card to match the Qantas platinum level" and "Qantas . . . said that where status privileges did not match between the airlines' programs, "the higher benefit will be the standard"."

Also: "Emirates . . . would code-share on Qantas' 5000 weekly Australian flights to 50 destinations" and "As well as code-sharing on Emirates flights to Europe, Qantas will code-share on 40 Middle East and North African destinations on Emirates".

 

[deadfish]

Also: "Emirates . . . would code-share on Qantas' 5000 weekly Australian flights to 50 destinations" and "As well as code-sharing on Emirates flights to Europe, Qantas will code-share on 40 Middle East and North African destinations on Emirates".

Could this mean the end of the BKK-NBO codeshare???

 

[Bugalugz]

Absolutely agree! I have been astounded as well, by many comments here.

Earlier on in the piece some people seemed to think Dubai was Downtown Baghdad!

It's about being sensible. Personally I think I'd feel much safer in the UAE than Indonesia. But I guess everyone has a different opinion.

Thing that put me off going there was not earning QFF SC's/Points (Thanks to this bloody site haha) So I am looking forward to heading to Dubai in the next year or 2.

 

[justinbrett]

I originally thought this was a good idea, as Sky News indicated they would be flying BNE-DXB direct on QF and pick up either the SYD or MEL flights in DXB to LHR (ie, what happens in SIN).

I this is very poor that you can't fly from Brisbane to London on QF metal the entire way.

If they're smart, they should at least time the services so you can fly BNE-SIN-LHR via QF and BA.

 

[markis10]

One thing that doesn't seem to have come up:

I seem to remember reading that the EC is/has introduced a form of carbon tax on flights that is based, in part, on the distance from the last airport departed. DXB-LHR is significantly shorter than SIN-LHR so a considerable cost saving if my memory is correct?

Also, not back-tracking to other European ports not only saves time but is more efficient for the airlines and the environment.

JV

See this:

The other seemingly forgotten benefit of the Emirates alliance - and it's material - is the move means Qantas and its passengers will pay lower departure taxes to UK and German government authorities.
The UK departure tax, called the air passenger duty (APD), is higher for UK flights departing for Australia that hub through Singapore, Hong Kong and Bangkok than for flights that hub through Dubai when passengers stay at the hub point for 24 hours or more, which is true for a high percentage of passengers.
This difference is because the APD rate, quite unfairly for Qantas, is based on the distance travelled between the UK and the port where the aircraft lands. The longer the distance the higher the rate that is paid.
Qantas was paying an APD of 92 pounds ($142) for economy class passengers and 184 pounds ($285) for premium economy, business and first-class passengers using the Singapore hub.
By hubbing through Dubai, the rate paid by Qantas passengers falls to 65 Pound Stirling and 130 Pound Stirling for economy and other passengers respectively.

Read more: Emirates pact will help stem Qantas losses
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[mannej]

I originally thought this was a good idea, as Sky News indicated they would be flying BNE-DXB direct on QF and pick up either the SYD or MEL flights in DXB to LHR (ie, what happens in SIN).

I this is very poor that you can't fly from Brisbane to London on QF metal the entire way.

If they're smart, they should at least time the services so you can fly BNE-SIN-LHR via QF and BA.

BNE is not the only one in the same situation.

However, lets wait and see. Based in Newcastle, could you not catch a flight down to Sydney?

 

[dajop]

There is a lot of hoo-haa about this being fairly groundbreaking which undoubtedly it is for QF. What is interesting that it not really that innovative or groundbreaking, the European airlines cottoned onto this years ago, albeit in reverse. It has been a long time since LH or KL have landed an aircraft in Australia, they worked out long ago they could access a broader range of Australian cities by codesharing with Asian carriers such as MH, TG or SQ. This I guess is exactly the same approach in reverse, although admittedly LH made their arrangements under the alliance umbrella, KL didn't.

 

[EmilyHoward]

The other seemingly forgotten benefit of the Emirates alliance - and it's material - is the move means Qantas and its passengers will pay lower departure taxes to UK and German government authorities.
The UK departure tax, called the air passenger duty (APD), is higher for UK flights departing for Australia that hub through Singapore, Hong Kong and Bangkok than for flights that hub through Dubai when passengers stay at the hub point for 24 hours or more, which is true for a high percentage of passengers.
This difference is because the APD rate, quite unfairly for Qantas, is based on the distance travelled between the UK and the port where the aircraft lands. The longer the distance the higher the rate that is paid.
Qantas was paying an APD of 92 pounds ($142) for economy class passengers and 184 pounds ($285) for premium economy, business and first-class passengers using the Singapore hub.
By hubbing through Dubai, the rate paid by Qantas passengers falls to 65 Pound Stirling and 130 Pound Stirling for economy and other passengers respectively.

Read more: Emirates pact will help stem Qantas losses
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How do you know all this stuff?? It's very impressive!

EH

 

[openseat]

Flying to Israel will be a problem in this new agreement. Admittedly not the biggest market, but an important one nonetheless.

 

[markis10]

How do you know all this stuff?? It's very impressive!

EH

That was a cut and paste from the article, need to add quote marks.

 

[mannej]

Flying to Israel will be a problem in this new agreement. Admittedly not the biggest market, but an important one nonetheless.

Don't QF have an agreement with El Al?

Would there be a codeshare flight between BKK and Israel?

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[justinbrett]

BNE is not the only one in the same situation.

However, lets wait and see. Based in Newcastle, could you not catch a flight down to Sydney?

Well yes, I am currently based in Newcastle so I would fly out of Sydney. However I am a Queenslander and won't be down here forever, so I keep a close eye on what happens up there.

If, for example, you want to fly from Brisbane to Paris - you would fly the whole way on EK. Can't see how QF is going to get much out of that. You think it would be more fair if QF took over the BNE/ADL/PER - DXB routes and let EK use those aircraft on more European connections.

 

[mannej]

Well yes, I am currently based in Newcastle so I would fly out of Sydney. However I am a Queenslander and won't be down here forever, so I keep a close eye on what happens up there.

If, for example, you want to fly from Brisbane to Paris - you would fly the whole way on EK. Can't see how QF is going to get much out of that. You think it would be more fair if QF took over the BNE/ADL/PER - DXB routes and let EK use those aircraft on more European connections.

Do they have the aircraft for that?

Could the 333's handle ADL/BNE - DXB? They are retiring 747's, so they are not always going to be around.

Where EK use their aircraft is not the issue, they have a million of them, and have a million more on order.

 

[alieninperth]

From Wikipedia (so not necessarily accurate), A330-300 full range is 13,430km (fully loaded)

From GC map ADL-DXB is 10,997 and BNE-DXB is 11,997. So the indication is that the A333 could get there.

 

[Kaldemir]

Well yes, I am currently based in Newcastle so I would fly out of Sydney. However I am a Queenslander and won't be down here forever, so I keep a close eye on what happens up there.

If, for example, you want to fly from Brisbane to Paris - you would fly the whole way on EK. Can't see how QF is going to get much out of that. You think it would be more fair if QF took over the BNE/ADL/PER - DXB routes and let EK use those aircraft on more European connections.

Qantas is keeping the FFs for QFd by providing them the opportunity to earn and burn on EK for international travel.

 

[wandersen]

Well yes, I am currently based in Newcastle so I would fly out of Sydney. However I am a Queenslander and won't be down here forever, so I keep a close eye on what happens up there.

If, for example, you want to fly from Brisbane to Paris - you would fly the whole way on EK. Can't see how QF is going to get much out of that. You think it would be more fair if QF took over the BNE/ADL/PER - DXB routes and let EK use those aircraft on more European connections.

It's established though that since EK has a lower cost base, it can make money on these routes. QF cannot. QF is happy to hand over a route that it will always lose money on.

 

[RSD]

There is a lot of hoo-haa about this being fairly groundbreaking which undoubtedly it is for QF. What is interesting that it not really that innovative or groundbreaking, the European airlines cottoned onto this years ago, albeit in reverse. It has been a long time since LH have landed an aircraft in Australia

About 3 months in fact - saw a LH 747 at Perth International about 3 months ago.

 

[RSD]

So the "Falcon Route" has gone already - it's now the "Eagle Route" - QF, EK deal has massive potential for Aus: industry - Industry News - etravelblackboard.com - hopefully with a bit of push from here we can make it something more exotic like the "Arabia Route" or "Ali Baba Route"