Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

[Pushka]

Firstly, Qantas is not requiring people to do anything. People are free to choose which ever carrier they wish to travel to Europe.

And yes whilst true what you say about Ramadan, the tourist hotels will cater for people during the day in terms of food and drink. As others have said, just be aware of the places you are going, I mean you can be thrown in prison in Thailand if you are heard publicly bad mouthing the King.... at any time of year... every country has it's own rules and regulations and as an international traveler it is your responsibility to know what they are.

The analogy of bad mouthing the King in Thailand is hardly a comparison with the offence of sipping water in public. Who would think of bad mouthing the King but everyone would reach for the water ESP in high temps and not think a thing of it. It is something we do multiple times a day and often in public.

Sure, choose which airline you want but if you have to go Qantas eg for work contracts then there is no choice.

 

[mannej]

The analogy of bad mouthing the King in Thailand is hardly a comparison with the offence of sipping water in public. Who would think of bad mouthing the King but everyone would reach for the water ESP in high temps and not think a thing of it. It is something we do multiple times a day and often in public.

Sure, choose which airline you want but if you have to go Qantas eg for work contracts then there is no choice.

You are missing the point. I can see the point loud and clear, and that is one of making sure you are aware of these "quirks" each country has that before you are there.

Ignorance isn't an excuse, as the information should be available.

 

[Pushka]

You are missing the point. I can see the point loud and clear, and that is one of making sure you are aware of these "quirks" each country has that before you are there.

Ignorance isn't an excuse, as the information should be available.

From where should it be available though? Internet forums?

 

[cmon0005]

The analogy of bad mouthing the King in Thailand is hardly a comparison with the offence of sipping water in public. Who would think of bad mouthing the King but everyone would reach for the water ESP in high temps and not think a thing of it. It is something we do multiple times a day and often in public.

This shouldn't be a problem for anyone as pretty much everyone's travel falls into one of these reasons:

a) If you're travelling via DXB for a work trip (or even on the way to Europe for holidays) then in all likelihood you would only be transiting and the International airport will still mostly serve drinks and food any time of the day. = No problem.
b) If you find yourself in the city then its likely that it was your choice to go on holiday in Dubai or leave the airport during transit for sight seeing, again your hotel will still serve you inside. = No problem.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

From where should it be available though? Internet forums?

how about smarttraveller.gov.au

 

[mannej]

From where should it be available though? Internet forums?

Smarttraveler for one, but the internet can be a plethora of information yes.

 

[Pushka]

how about smarttraveller.gov.au

I just checked and their website is wrong. This is what it says:
During Ramadan, eating, drinking and smoking between sunrise and sunset is forbidden for Muslims.

It isn't just forbidden for Muslims, it is forbidden for everyone. Maybe now you will get my point! Not even our Government knows the law. :shock:

Smarttraveler for one, but the internet can be a plethora of information yes.

But if smarttraveller is wrong then god knows what else is out there.

For what it's worth, tripadvisor is a good source esp when locals post, however, many people do not have internet access.

 

[mannej]

I just checked and their website is wrong. This is what it says:
During Ramadan, eating, drinking and smoking between sunrise and sunset is forbidden for Muslims.

It isn't just forbidden for Muslims, it is forbidden for everyone. Maybe now you will get my point! Not even our Government knows the law. :shock:



But if smarttraveller is wrong then god knows what else is out there.

For what it's worth, tripadvisor is a good source esp when locals post, however, many people do not have internet access.

Stop making excuses for the sake of making excuses.

How about a travel agent? There are ways to find info out.

 

[dajop]

Im getting a little tired of people jumping to the phobia reason when pertinent points about the realities of travelling to the middle east and in particular, Dubai, are raised. The fact is that Qantas is now requiring people to travel even if only in transit to a country that does require strict adherence to rules that most of us would not even think of.

[RANT]What amazes me about the whole tone of comments in various threads on the EK deal is the constant reference of Qantas "requiring" people to do things or that they "now need to" this and that because of Qantas. Last time I looked Qantas has no power to compel anyone to do anything they don't want (unless you are already sitting on their aircraft).

There are a plethora of choices of getting to Europe, if people feel that strongly about these changes, they simply should take their business elsewhere and use one of those many other choices. Even if you want stick to Qantas and its OW partners, there are a still a whole heap of ways of getting to Europe with Qantas for some of the way and a one world partner for the rest - be it via BKK, SIN, HKG, MNL, CGK, PVG, NRT - or even JNB, EZE, LAX, DFW or JFK, using the services of QF & the onwards with BA, CX, JL, AB, RJ or even LA, IB or AA - with MH and UL to come! In fact it has often been, and probably will continue to be cheaper, particularly in economy, to buy a fare to point A (usually in Asia) and then from there to Europe - may be that is something worth looking at. Even on the same plane! It was often the case that two separate QF tickets (eg MEL-SIN-MEL and SIN-LHR-SIN) were cheaper than buying the exact same flights as a through fare. [\RANT]

Anyway, back to the concerns about the middle east, and Australians transitting the middle east and the conditions there. Are QF's customers really that different to EK's, QR's or EY's? People manage just fine already, with their existing what 13-15 services a day to Europe via DXB/AUH/DOH. It's not as if JQ will be taking hoards of people to DXB that normally head to Bali. There will be some issues, but that happens anywhere and everywhere ... some people really should just stay at home.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Why don't you email them and correct them with the laws.

From what I have read since your post it is quite unlikely anyone would be arrested, more likely they would just be told not to do it .

 

[Pushka]

Stop making excuses for the sake of making excuses.

How about a travel agent?

Seriously? the Australian Government Tourist Information website doesn't know the requirements for tourists travelling to UAE during Ramadan and you say I am making excuses for the sake of it? Seriously?

Travel Agents should refer you to smart traveller website btw. They take no responsibility for information regarding culture, customs, visas and laws. That is in their fine print.

 

[under the radar]

so you're saying that during ramadan EVERYONE THAT IS IN THE COUNTRY AT THAT TIME should adhere to muslim practices!!! :?:

 

[under the radar]

sorry ive got a bee in my bonnet now...just an enquiry as this topic has many pages...which country is 'Pushka' located??

 

[browski]

This is probably a great time for the moderators to intervene on behalf of a poster who is obviously suffering hysteria and panic.

 

[Pushka]

you are also quoting the same things over and over and you have repeated the same phrase more than once

I have removed the duplicate posts, and which occurred because I wanted to multiquote but did so incorrectly. The information contained in the remaining posts contains responses to new questions and clarifications of my original points which were disputed by others.

To a different poster:

Well there's a surprise.

And to to bee person - Australia, and again, what is your point?

<Thanks Dazz81, I copied and pasted the same thing twice so all gone now except for original post>

 

[Aussie_flyer]

I have removed the duplicate posts, and which occurred because I wanted to multiquote but did so incorrectly. The information contained in the remaining posts contains responses to new questions and clarifications of my original points which were disputed by others. What is your point exactly?

Well there's a surprise. Australia, and again, what is your point?

this time you seem to have left a quote out, I'm not the one who asked where you are.

Also, look at post 1087 and 1094. That is my point.

 

[Pushka]

this time you seem to have left a quote out, I'm not the one who asked where you are.

Also, look at post 1087 and 1094. That is my point.

I know, sorry, didn't mean to imply that you were. I was replying to the person who had a bee in their bonnet. Not sure what my country has to do with that problem.

And I have taken your advice and emailed smartraveller.gov.au! Will let you know if I get a response. And now I'll check out those posts.

 

[kamchatsky]

Interesting that originally QF want to do the alliance with SQ first before settling with EK .....

Qantas wanted Singapore Air alliance: report | News | Business Spectator

It was also reported in AFR today.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Interesting that originally QF want to do the alliance with SQ first before settling with EK .....

Qantas wanted Singapore Air alliance: report | News | Business Spectator

It was also reported in AFR today.

I'm glad they didn't. SQ treat Y class pax with status like dirt.

 

[anat0l]

I'm glad they didn't. SQ treat Y class pax with status like dirt.

You sure about that? I mean, they may not treat them like royalty, but apart from being served by perhaps the most advanced robots in the world which aren't really robots, SQ Y is alright. And for that matter, they're in an alliance with VA, who (along with the VA customer base) seem to be very happy with said partnership.

Which of course makes the whole quoted article a bit of a farce, since after SQ and VA got together what real chance did QF ever have of making an alliance if their chances pre-VA-hookup were equal to none in Hell? Let's not even think about the whole big oneworld airline with the big Star Alliance airline.