Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

[ChrisFlyer]

Quick question:
I'll be flying HKG-LHR on a BA flight number and metal, sold by QF, after April 2013 in discount economy.
What will be my point rate? 0, 0.25, 1?
Thanks

Points earn will be 0.25/mile, as the JSA provisions for the 1/mile earn only apply when flying through SIN and BKK, not HKG Unfortunately, if you spend more than 24hrs on the ground in HKG, you can't book the QF code on that flight, leaving the BA code as the only option. You'll still earn a status bonus if you're eligible though.


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[Awesom Andy]

Given that they will harmonise pricing why wouldn't you just book the QF codeshare?

I think each code has its own allocation of seats. While I don't know if this will apply with EK, in the current JSA arrangement with BA, it is possible that when booking on QF320, there are no discounted tickets available even though you can get them when booking on BA15.

 

[kelvedon]

It may not be possible to book the codeshare. Just like today one cannot book a Qantas codeshare on BA out of LHR without having made a trip from Australia first.

BA's UK website shows QF codeshare flights available as a one way fare.

 

[MrJetset]

I too don't like the idea of EK and QF matching prices. QF one way fares are exorbitant. At present, you can book EK fares one way say ex DXB at half the price of a return. With this alliance then that may well disappear.

 

[Geoffrey]

Points earn will be 0.25/mile, as the JSA provisions for the 1/mile earn only apply when flying through SIN and BKK, not HKG Unfortunately, if you spend more than 24hrs on the ground in HKG, you can't book the QF code on that flight, leaving the BA code as the only option. You'll still earn a status bonus if you're eligible though.

Thanks for the precise answer Chris

 

[coolumbla]

Being from ADL the real struggle I'm having in supporting this alliance is that Emirates sponsor Collingwood......

how silly of me not to have realised this before
Junior delinquent suffers this disease!]
I blame his auskick coach 11 years ago!

 

[Sprucegoose]

Does QF1 now become the SYD-DXB camel route?


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[Oneworldplus2]

Does QF1 now become the SYD-DXB camel route?

Probably.
SYD-LHR via the sandpit....(as it's known)

 

[simongr]

I think Falcon route as previously discussed.

 

[JohnK]

Because people panic, people state erroneous information as fact, people post that the world is coming to an end and that QFi is going to be shut down tomorrow. People also assume the worst.

Keep in mind though that if you assume the best possible outcome then it is a long long way down when you fall.

Didn't one member (gowatson) do something similar???

Where did he go?

 

[IGetAround]

Haven't seen this posted, but here is the QF/EK submission to the ACCC:

Qantas Airways Limited & Emirates - Authorisations - A91332 & A91333

To summarise the main points that haven't been reported by other sources:

- BNE-SIN planned to move from B747 to A330 (p 52)
- MEL/SYD to LHR flights to depart Australia during afternoon and arrive in early morning (p 46). No mention of departure times ex LHR.
- The only new routes mentioned are PER-AKL and ADL-AKL. Document also flags additional nonstop capacity DXB-BNE and DXB-PER.

I found the preference for maintaining existing LHR arrival times the most interesting. Doing this would entail a roughly 0130 departure time from DXB; currently there are no EK services to EU around that time. Perhaps this means that the collective QF/EK MEL/SYD - LHR traffic will be concentrated on two QF services, with all other connections being predominantly concentrated on EK metal?

 

[deadfish]

b) Emirates only offers three daily departure times on own-aircraft services ex-Sydney/Melbourne to Dubai and beyond to Europe: two evening and one late night
from Melbourne and two evening and one early morning from Sydney. (pg 46)

I laughed.

 

[dajop]

I found the preference for maintaining existing LHR arrival times the most interesting. Doing this would entail a roughly 0130 departure time from DXB; currently there are no EK services to EU around that time.

There is a service from DXB-LHR at 0230 (which arrives at LHR at 0700 - only 30 minutes later than QF1 does at the moment), there are also services to Frankfurt, Milan, Gatwick and Manchester in the following 70 minutes.

 

[ChrisFlyer]

Other interesting points:

-QF essentially threaten to withdraw yet another LHR service "in the short term" if they can't align with EK via DXB (I assume this would be QF9/10, which would most likely default to MEL-SIN-MEL). They also state that without EK alignment, they won't move to DXB (obviously). Longer term, without the alignment, they speak of their future network plans, and specifically state that any such plans (on their own metal) "would (otherwise) not include Europe" (hinting at a full withdrawal from LHR)
-QF losing money on European, T/T and Asian routes, though the wording implies that their North and South American routes, as well as JNB, are making solid profits. The graph that shows revenue and profit on a route-by-route basis has been redacted.
-FRA withdrawal date yet to be determined, with the document stating that there will be a "transition" between the metal operating to FRA. If the alignment cannot proceed, QF would still withdraw from FRA, but simply later in 2013 instead of early Q2.
-Also confirmed that they attempted a similar alliance with CX (as well as a few other airlines), but were not able to reach an agreement. This is the first official QF statement I've seen that confirms they had attempted to strengthen their relationship with CX in this regard.

My apologies if any of this has already been announced somewhere!

 

[serfty]

Other interesting points: ...

Thanks for the digging - yes, very interesting.

... My apologies if any of this has already been announced somewhere!

If not, it probably will be noted off AFF soon.

 

[markis10]

Interesting to see what the outcome is with proposed new routes, specifically who will operate ADL/PER to NZ and what equipment given NZ run the 777 ex PER. Love how the application uses stats to illustrate how small EK are in terms of competition for passengers, but said stats are absent for freight ops especially over the tasman where EK do very well, in fact QF and EK together would result in a freight player bigger than anyone else using June stats:

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[oz_mark]

Interesting to see what the outcome is with proposed new routes, specifically who will operate ADL/PER to NZ and what equipment given NZ run the 777 ex PER. Love how the application uses stats to illustrate how small EK are in terms of competition for passengers, but said stats are absent for freight ops especially over the tasman where EK do very well, in fact QF and EK together would result in a freight player bigger than anyone else using June stats:

The freight stats are include in Annexure K (Figure 4 for New Zealand).

 

[markis10]

The freight stats are include in Annexure K (Figure 4 for New Zealand).

I was referring to the main part of the application where they keep referencing the specific pax shares but not the freight shares to make a point. I hope the appropriate people read the annexure info although most folks tend to skip it! Like the filing fee $9K!

 

[Platinum A332]

If QF 1/9 maintain their approximate timings, this really sucks as it would be near impossible to get a decent night's rest before arriving into LHR like you currently can do via SIN. The connections onto CDG and FRA are not exactly the most convenient either (it would arrive 2-3 hours later than current morning arrivals by SQ, CX and EY into Europe).

 

[Danger]

‘Roo Route Threatens to Unseat Qantas, Emirates Alliance - Deal Journal Australia - WSJ