Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

[MarcB]

The ABS stats do indicate this to be the case, although they lump stopovers and destinations together, the earlier data I mentioned indicated just 3000 people stopped at the UAE in June, versus 90000 for Singapore. I think the success the carriers are having is in the Europe based traffic where the passenger is most interested in getting to their destination, there is no doubt that its easier via the Middle East with its connections taking LHR out of the equation.

Thanks markis - I think what I was driving at, was that exact point. If you're not that interested in stopping over, then does it really matter where the transit point is? I for one loathe stopovers. I'm sure Singapore has its charms, but I'd rather throw some money at a J class airfare and get to my destination faster/more directly. Does the lack of stopovers in UAE also indicate a preference for people to not stopover when they have more direct routings into Europe available?

To be honest, if I really wanted a stopover on the way to Europe, I'd go via the USA. If only QF would get their act together with AA and BA or IB and let us connect more seamlessly in that direction!

OT slightly, but I have never understood why QF don't fly their metal from LAX or JFK to LHR - is it rights? BA and IB fly ex USA, so what gives??

 

[markis10]

OT slightly, but I have never understood why QF don't fly their metal from LAX or JFK to LHR - is it rights? BA and IB fly ex USA, so what gives??

I would imagine the market is quite conjested, not too different to the one that exists for the ditch crossing here. NZ operate LAX LHR and are dropping the LHR-HKG which kept them as the only airline with metal flying all around the world carrying passengers, so they clearly see Asia as a destination rather than transit point, of course being 2-3 hours further east of us would also be a factor.

 

[drron]

Just a personal feeling.I have stayed in Dubai and have no desire to go back.SIN and BKK we have visited many times and will keep going back.I suspect I am not alone.

 

[MarcB]

I would imagine the market is quite conjested, not too different to the one that exists for the ditch crossing here. NZ operate LAX LHR and are dropping the LHR-HKG which kept them as the only airline with metal flying all around the world carrying passengers, so they clearly see Asia as a destination rather than transit point, of course being 2-3 hours further east of us would also be a factor.

Maybe ex-DFW!!! Less congested airport cf to LAX, I imagine, and better connections into Europe as far as distance. With that said, I think you can do this now anyway, just not on QF metal and for some reason, a good $600 more than via Asia.

 

[Awesom Andy]

Just did a quick comparison against EK's, SQ's, and CX's European network. Ignoring codeshares, EK serves an extra 18 European destinations direct from its home base.

Birmingham
Copenhagen
Dublin
Dusseldorf
Geneva
Glasgow
Hamburg
Larnaca
Lisbon
Lyon
Madrid
Malta
Newcastle
Nice
Prague
St Petersburg
Venice
Vienna

It's only 5 min of work, so I wouldn't vouch for complete accuracy, but the question is, if we tell anyone going to these destinations that, if they go via the middle east, they would only need to make 1 stop instead of 2 without buying separate tickets, would they be interested? (Note that I haven't checked for connection times, so some places may be unsuitable e.g. extremely long transfer time)

 

[simongr]

Some of those are pretty big population centres as well.

As an example though LCA-DXb-SYD requires about an 8 hour layover that EK put you up in a hotel for.

 

[browski]

Just a personal feeling.I have stayed in Dubai and have no desire to go back.SIN and BKK we have visited many times and will keep going back.I suspect I am not alone.

Would you care to say what put you off Dubai?

 

[Must...Fly!]

Would you care to say what put you off Dubai?

Without presuming drron's answer, a gripe many have is that it isn't very authentic.

 

[browski]

Without presuming drron's answer, a gripe many have is that it isn't very authentic.

I totally agree about Dubai's superficiality. However, I feel the same way about Singapore (perhaps more anti-septic than not authentic). Bangkok on the other hand............

 

[simongr]

BKK is a hateful place that I only transit on sufferance. I am almost glad my boss won't let me go there next year when the team are there for a job.

 

[browski]

BKK is a hateful place that I only transit on sufferance. I am almost glad my boss won't let me go there next year when the team are there for a job.

Care to elaborate on what "Hateful" means? Surprising comment considering that the country is populated mainly by Buddhists........or do you mean the airport rather than the city?

 

[simongr]

Hateful meaning in this context that I hate the place. We were guilted into going, everyone warned us about all the bad things that could happen, it was an unpleasant climate and then Pattaya was even worse a disgusting skan_ infested carp hole.

The only place I want to return to less is Poznan - the cigarette capital of Poland where the team and I genuinely thought we were about to be driven into the country to be murdered.

 

[EmilyHoward]

I read an interesting article on my phone on the way to work this morning, which was talking about some of the reasons why the consortium (in particular Dixon) is agitating agaisnt the QF/EK alliance. Unfortunately, I can't find the source article again, but, basically, it was along the lines that Australian's prefer Asian stopovers to Middle East layovers. Now I haven't done any specific research in this area, but given the success of carriers like EK and EY in taking market-share from QF, does anyone really think that such statements hold much credence?

I get the feeling with what Dixon and Co are doing is simply one of jealousy. AJ is just doing a better job of running Qantas, particularly bearing in mind the financial climate we have been in during the last 4 years. Dixon didn't have that to contend with as much.

EH

 

[drron]

Would you care to say what put you off Dubai?

Too hot,gaudy,superficial and I just dont like it.Have done all I wanted to do there.Nothing to do with it being the Middle East.I would go back to Jordan anytime as long as the Spring doesn't bloom more forceably.
On the other hand I admit all of the above goes for Las vegas but I like it.
Bangkok is certainly more humid but I love it.The people,the food and the ability to get around by Skytrain.
Singapore-yes certainly much more sanitised than the 70s but probably a little less dictatorial than it was then.now more upmarket eating places attract us.

 

[MarcB]

Just saw this on the QF Agents site:

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[ozmille]

Just saw this on the QF Agents site:

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connections seem ok, especially if WP get First class terminal access at DXB

Milan

1 QF 001 SYD 1 DXB 3 1605 0035+1
EK:QF8101 DXB 3 MXP 1 0340+1 0825+1E0/332

Manchester

QF 001 SYD 1 DXB 3 1605 0035+1E0/388
EK:QF8021 DXB 3 MAN 1 0300+1 0740+1E0/77W

 

[yohy?!]

Hateful meaning in this context that I hate the place. We were guilted into going, everyone warned us about all the bad things that could happen, it was an unpleasant climate and then Pattaya was even worse a disgusting skan_ infested carp hole.

The only place I want to return to less is Poznan - the cigarette capital of Poland where the team and I genuinely thought we were about to be driven into the country to be murdered.

Yikes! I'll strike Poznan off my bucket list!

Seriously though in terms of Thailand, there are many many beautiful places to visit outside the usual tourist traps - in addition 5 star hotels and resorts are usually a bargain also.

 

[MarcB]

connections seem ok, especially if WP get First class terminal access at DXB

Milan

1 QF 001 SYD 1 DXB 3 1605 0035+1
EK:QF8101 DXB 3 MXP 1 0340+1 0825+1E0/332

Manchester

QF 001 SYD 1 DXB 3 1605 0035+1E0/388
EK:QF8021 DXB 3 MAN 1 0300+1 0740+1E0/77W

QF need to update their website for bookings ex cities other than Melbourne or Sydney post 31 March. If I search BNE-MAN, it only shows me via SIN then onto LHR then MAN on BA. Yet if I search SYD-MAN, it shows the via DXB option. Surely the system should be sophisticated enough to allow me to see a BNE-SYD-DXB-MAN option without doing a multi-city!! A check of the fares on EF shows that it's a valid route, so what gives??

 

[BD1959]

Interesting that, currently, MEL-DXB-MAN-DXB-MAN QF Codeshare with EK is pricing slightly more expensive than MEL-LHR-MAN-MEL with BA (both transferring from/to QF9/QF10) - despite LHR being continually lambasted for expensive APD. Though the later departure time ex MAN and not having to traverse LHR in each direction probably over-compensates.

That said. will be interesting to see what EK price the QF flights at. Currently they're showing about $200 cheaper flying the EK metal and code ... sort of defeats the object to AJ's exercise if all this is doing is encouraging QF stalwarts to compare against a competitor (and will continue to be so at least Regulatory Approval for the partnership).

Regards,

BD

 

[MarcB]

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That said. will be interesting to see what EK price the QF flights at.


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The news release indicates that EK won't codeshare on the QF services at this stage on this route...although you'd expect that would change if ACCC approval comes through.