Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

[oz_mark]

IIRC TAs are paid a commission on base fare only? Unless the recent court case that was decided on a year or so ago fixed that.

Nyet, it was sorted in the court case

I've amended my original post the remove the reference, but in any case I maintain that (if this were the case) it would be patently dishonest. It's one thing to have your own fare with a high YQ in it; it's another thing to take a codeshare fare with no YQ in it, then add your own premium on top and call it YQ. Call it "legal theft" if you will; like white collar crime.

If this dishonest reason is true, I will have absolutely no hesitation ripping into Qantas about it with an untold outrage they will never have seen before and will make them wish they had never been born.

From playing around with the various fares on other sites, it seems that Qantas base fare is lower than Emirates, but then has higher charges on top. So, YQ is not the full story here, from what I can see (From what I can work out, the YQ charge is greater than the fare difference).

 

[BindiBratz]

please excuse my ignorance, but what is YQ..???

 

[oz_mark]

please excuse my ignorance, but what is YQ..???

In the case of QF marketed flights, it is where you will find the Fuel Surcharge.

 

[medhead]

Two questions, I'm looking into a BNE-BCN//WAW-BNE. I can get Emirates flights via DXB if searching to both destinations return. But searching the preferred multi-city routing Qantas wants to use QF1/2/9/10, turning it into a 3 flights in both directions instead of 2. I think this is because the emirates flights involve a long transit in DXB whereas the QF flights are about a 2 hour transit. Is there a setting or something that will make it show the most direct flights instead of the shortest flights?

The other question, has anyone worked out how to search for flights departing from DXB on the Qantas website?

please excuse my ignorance, but what is YQ..???

I'm not exactly sure, but it's a code for fare components and is either taxes or fuel surcharges or both. That's the short answer, no doubt someone will chip in with the long answer.

 

[anat0l]

please excuse my ignorance, but what is YQ..???

Sorry about that; should've explained in full.

YQ is the short code on a ticket which usually denotes the Fuel Surcharge. (On some airlines, it is denoted by the code YR; YR usually stands for another carrier-imposed surcharge, e.g. for ticketing etc.).

 

[dajop]

II've amended my original post the remove the reference, but in any case I maintain that (if this were the case) it would be patently dishonest. It's one thing to have your own fare with a high YQ in it; it's another thing to take a codeshare fare with no YQ in it, then add your own premium on top and call it YQ. Call it "legal theft" if you will; like white collar crime.

Qantas do this already, look at redemptions on JQ international, which are on the QF code with the QF YQ.

 

[ajw373]

Two questions, I'm looking into a BNE-BCN//WAW-BNE. I can get Emirates flights via DXB if searching to both destinations return. But searching the preferred multi-city routing Qantas wants to use QF1/2/9/10, turning it into a 3 flights in both directions instead of 2. I think this is because the emirates flights involve a long transit in DXB whereas the QF flights are about a 2 hour transit. Is there a setting or something that will make it show the most direct flights instead of the shortest flights?

The other question, has anyone worked out how to search for flights departing from DXB on the Qantas website?

The booking engine really is inconsistent with what it shows. What I have found is if you have a multi city booking involving 3 cities it will show what it thinks is the best but then has a more options button that show a shed load more options. Though do a search with only two cities then the results are less. For example CBD-LHR-CBR returns about 10 results, but do multi city, say CBR-SYD-LHR-CBR and you have about double the number of options, though at times, especially from Canberra where you want to avoid a Dash-8 even that isn't enough. Would be good if you could tell it the flights YOU want and let it price that option and give others.

 

[YQY]

The latest Ausbt article states that WP's will not have access to the F Lounges in DXB.

The Emirates First Class Lounge is restricted to travellers holding a first class ticket with either airline.

IMHO, EK may provide access to F Lounge after they introduce their 4th Tier (Platinum).

Emirates will also introduce a new top-tier of Skywards to match Qantas Frequent Flyer Platinum.

Link --> http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-freq...&utm_medium=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

The agreement with EK seems flawed, why would any QFF fly EK (not code share) when there are other options to Europe (ie CX, BA, MH, JL & QR (from next year)) which will provide lounge access per Oneworld regulations and earn SC's.

And from 2014, flying via DOH will provide similar flight times and connections to European destinations.

 

[amaroo]

The latest Ausbt article states that WP's will not have access to the F Lounges in DXB.


The agreement with EK seems flawed, why would any QFF fly EK (not code share) when there are other options to Europe (ie CX, BA, MH, JL & QR (from next year)) which will provide lounge access per Oneworld regulations and earn SC's.

And from 2014, flying via DOH will provide similar flight times and connections to European destinations.

HKG is looking better everyday.

 

[ozmille]

Played around a bit this morning, return SYD LHR in whY on QF, EK, QF operated by EK and EK operated by QF, results below (the codeshares are exactly the same flights as the operating carriers flights)

QF 3407.34
EK operated by QF 2354.78 (over a 1000 bucks cheaper to fly the EK code on QF flights!!!)

EK 2438.78
QF operated by EK 3660.34 (over a 1200 bucks more to book the QF code on EK metal!!!)

Those are some expensive points and status credits :shock:

 

[blackcat20]

Played around a bit this morning, return SYD LHR in whY on QF, EK, QF operated by EK and EK operated by QF, results below (the codeshares are exactly the same flights as the operating carriers flights)

QF 3407.34
EK operated by QF 2354.78 (over a 1000 bucks cheaper to fly the EK code on QF flights!!!)

EK 2438.78
QF operated by EK 3660.34 (over a 1200 bucks more to book the QF code on EK metal!!!)

Those are some expensive points and status credits :shock:

I noticed the same; it was $1200 extra for a QF code on one of four flights...and only a five hour flight at that.

 

[Flying mermaid]

There don't appear to be any code shares from Dubai to dar es salaam or Nairobi. At the Qantas site you can go to Nairobi via JHB but only in J. I have become quite taken with the idea of going with Emirates in F. Do people think more options will be added later with Europe being the priority now? Possibly Qantas don't feel they need to do a code share there because it is already serviced via South Africa? If so I think I will be joining skywards and giving the idea of getting to LTG quickly the flick.

 

[wingspan]

There don't appear to be any code shares from Dubai to dar es salaam or Nairobi. At the Qantas site you can go to Nairobi via JHB but only in J. I have become quite taken with the idea of going with Emirates in F. Do people think more options will be added later with Europe being the priority now? Possibly Qantas don't feel they need to do a code share there because it is already serviced via South Africa? If so I think I will be joining skywards and giving the idea of getting to LTG quickly the flick.

Weren't QF keeping their codeshare with KQ to Nairobi via BKK?

 

[simongr]

The agreement with EK seems flawed, why would any QFF fly EK (not code share) when there are other options to Europe (ie CX, BA, MH, JL & QR (from next year)) which will provide lounge access per Oneworld regulations and earn SC's.

And from 2014, flying via DOH will provide similar flight times and connections to European destinations.

The difference is whether you want to fly with QF - and get 20K extra status bonus points on a return to LHR.

 

[Flying mermaid]

No idea - I put in SYD to Nairobi and it gave me a route via JHB and you can't even put in first as an option. I like first. With Emirates you can get first suites all the way and the price is pretty acceptable as well, so I was hoping for a code share with Qantas/Emirates so I could go first AND get status credits. My greed knows no bounds....... However if I have to choose between status credits and First it will be first. (Until there is another recession and I have to economise again).

 

[RooFlyer]

FWIW. Talked to my TA yesterday and they said most of the industry is going burko over the unstable prices in the QF system where EK is concerned.

Calls to their insiders at QF re this are met with (to quote the TA) "It sounds like everyone there is running around with buckets over their head, falling down, crashing about blindly".

Sound about right?

 

[markis10]

No idea - I put in SYD to Nairobi and it gave me a route via JHB and you can't even put in first as an option. I like first. With Emirates you can get first suites all the way and the price is pretty acceptable as well, so I was hoping for a code share with Qantas/Emirates so I could go first AND get status credits. My greed knows no bounds....... However if I have to choose between status credits and First it will be first. (Until there is another recession and I have to economise again).

QF are codesharing with EK to Nairobi.

 

[blackcat20]

FWIW. Talked to my TA yesterday and they said most of the industry is going burko over the unstable prices in the QF system where EK is concerned.

Calls to their insiders at QF re this are met with (to quote the TA) "It sounds like everyone there is running around with buckets over their head, falling down, crashing about blindly".

Sound about right?

Makes me glad I locked in a good price. You'd think they would have had this sorted before flights went online...

 

[zachary.august]

The latest Ausbt article states that WP's will not have access to the F Lounges in DXB.



IMHO, EK may provide access to F Lounge after they introduce their 4th Tier (Platinum).




Link --> Qantas frequent flyers: what points, perks do you get on Emirates? - Flights | hotels | frequent flyer | business class - Australian Business Traveller

The agreement with EK seems flawed, why would any QFF fly EK (not code share) when there are other options to Europe (ie CX, BA, MH, JL & QR (from next year)) which will provide lounge access per Oneworld regulations and earn SC's.

And from 2014, flying via DOH will provide similar flight times and connections to European destinations.

Excuse me for stating what may be obvious. Qantas hasn't announced anything regarding WP First Lounge access in DXB nor have they mentioned any access for any status level. I really think AUSBT should just keep their mouth shut until QF actually announce something. If you refer to this part of their article:

'Lounge access

A Qantas Frequent Flyer Platinum or Gold card will get you through the doors of the Emirates Business Class Lounge in Dubai Airport and other Emirates Business Class lounges around the world.(The Emirates First Class Lounge is currently restricted to travellers holding a first class ticket.)Qantas says that a Silver frequent flyer card or Qantas Club card will provide entry to "the Emirates lounge in Dubai Airport" and that it’s still working on the issue of access to Emirates Lounges around the world.'


There is no source sited, no spokesperson nothing. I am more than willing to be proven wrong with some actual evidence but until then they shouldn't be getting everyone stirred up.

 

[Flying mermaid]

QF are codesharing with EK to Nairobi.

wonderful - you have made my day .