Qantas FF and Woolworths create new loyalty alliance

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The EFTPOS intention to compete against visa has been widely reported in the financial press. The intention is to increase the utilisation of their network, by getting people to move away from visa based transactions to payments processed by eftpos.

Thats a sideshow compared to the real issue, Woolies are not part of the EFTPOS ownership as I previously posted, they are just interested only in reducing the cost of doing business, that is not paying a credit card fee when they dont have to from a customer that has a debit card. I dont think Woolies give a fig about whose network is being utilised, just like any other retailer other than Westfarmers.
 
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I tried to use my Citibank Platinum Visa card at Woolworths Liquor yesterday, and only received the option of savings or cheque. I do not have a debit account tied to this card. The lady behine the counter said it came in on Monday, and they had received many complaints. I ended up using another card and debited from my savings account.:(

WHat would have happened if I had contined with my Visa card and pushed savings, would this have been classed as a cash advance?
 
I tried to use my Citibank Platinum Visa card at Woolworths Liquor yesterday, and only received the option of savings or cheque.

Do you mean the full credit card only? And you couldn't use the credit function? First I've heard of that. I'd suspect it a glitch rather than them rejecting regular credit cards, unless it was a Debit style credit card.

WHat would have happened if I had contined with my Visa card and pushed savings, would this have been classed as a cash advance?

Assuming it was a credit card only it would likely get rejected at the other end and thus the transaction rejected.
 
I know I’ve had my HSBC CC rejected at Mobil petrol stations, so perhaps it’s a similar thing, unless it’s worked in the past, then perhaps just a glitch. Try again and let us know how it goes, please.
 
I know I’ve had my HSBC CC rejected at Mobil petrol stations, so perhaps it’s a similar thing, unless it’s worked in the past, then perhaps just a glitch. Try again and let us know how it goes, please.

In the past I have had no problems with this Citibank c/c at Woolworths or Woolworths Liquor. It is purely a credit card (no debit). I asked if the Woolworths supermarket next door had the same setup, to which she replied yes, since Monday. Lots of people are angry about it.

When we went next door to Wooloworths, SWMBO paid with her debit card and asked if it was the same rule as the liquor store - Yes. She then asked if anyone had to put back their shopping back, she said luckily enough most people had a seperate debit card they could use.
 
I'm dumping Woolworths after they've gone ahead and implemented their anti-debit card policy. I'm moving my spend with them (about 4-5k/yr in extra groceries, and toiletries as they do have better prices more often then not) back to Coles.

Maybe a silly question - I don't actually know if there's a difference - but is there any disadvantage to yourself to use the Savings button with a VI/MC debit card vs. using the Credit button? If not, why the concern?
 
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Maybe a silly question - I don't actually know if there's a difference - but is there any disadvantage to yourself to use the Savings button with a VI/MC debit card vs. using the Credit button? If not, why the concern?

Pressing savings/cheque uses one of your EFTPOS transactions, assuming you don't have unlimited electronic transactions.

Pressing credit does not count towards your EFTPOS transaction allowance.
 
Pressing savings/cheque uses one of your EFTPOS transactions, assuming you don't have unlimited electronic transactions.

I wasn't aware that there were accounts that limited the number of EFTPOS txn's you could have .. :shock:
 
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Thats a sideshow compared to the real issue, Woolies are not part of the EFTPOS ownership as I previously posted, they are just interested only in reducing the cost of doing business, that is not paying a credit card fee when they dont have to from a customer that has a debit card. I dont think Woolies give a fig about whose network is being utilised, just like any other retailer other than Westfarmers.
So you ignored my speculation that woolworths might be getting some benefit from eftpos by switch payments onto the eftpos network and the following post that seemed to support my speculation.

One of only 2 payment processing networks is fighting for survival. Hardly what I would call a sideshow.
 
For me, it's primarily a consumer safety and freedom of choice issue. In short, I don't trust the EFTPOS system to cover me properly when things hit the fan, based on past experience and first hand knowledge.

I've spent a good portion of my working life dealing with chargeback resolutions for various companies. The sheer volume of paperwork, documentation and investigation required for dealing with these is an unmitigated nightmare. I once had to spend half a day in a basement storage room searching for a single piece of paper to resolve a $1.5k chargeback claim. It wasn't fun.

Fraud recovery through the EFTPOS system, and particularly chargebacks handling (duplicate processing due to system error, etc) is much more difficult to deal with. Also most of the fraud detection platforms operated by the 'four pillocks' (my banking friend's nickname for the four pillars) are as yet not extended far enough into the EFTPOS transaction framework.

I know that there's concrete systems in place to detect Visa/MC fraud, the response is instantaneous, and the additional fraud protection coverage provided by my debit card will protect me as soon as things do go south.

And let's be honest, Woolworths are just being grubby here. They've done this solely to further pad their bottom line with the hundreds of thousands of dollars they earn from merchant acquiring from EFTPOS.

I know how much companies pay in transaction fees, and massive networks like Woolworths with their astronomical transaction volumes are generally paying cents per transaction for Visa/MC debit.

The cost of accepting Visa/MC debit is offset completely by the reduction in business costs achieved through reduced costs of cash management (staff time, reconciliation, transport, security).

Its a penny wise, pound foolish strategy they've taken here and I have already voted with my wallet.
 
For me, it's primarily a consumer safety and freedom of choice issue. In short, I don't trust the EFTPOS system to cover me properly when things hit the fan, based on past experience and first hand knowledge.

Fair call .. thanks for explaining :)
 
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I wasn't aware that there were accounts that limited the number of EFTPOS txn's you could have .. :shock:
It's not a limit on the number of transactions. Just that you start paying after using up the free txns
 
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And let's be honest, Woolworths are just being grubby here. They've done this solely to further pad their bottom line with the hundreds of thousands of dollars they earn from merchant acquiring from EFTPOS.

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Isn't this what being in business is about, making more money.

I find this change better than increasing prices to make more money.

ejb
 
Isn't this what being in business is about, making more money.

I find this change better than increasing prices to make more money.

ejb
And whats the bet prices go up anyway.
Sorry but even with the EDR program this means woollies loses another customer here.
I will make sure for myself and if CC is refused the groceries will be left at checkout.
The QFF miles are not worth the extra hassle.
 
And whats the bet prices go up anyway.
Sorry but even with the EDR program this means woollies loses another customer here.
I will make sure for myself and if CC is refused the groceries will be left at checkout.
The QFF miles are not worth the extra hassle.

drron,

I fail to see how pushing the Savings button is any harder than pushing the Credit button.

Woolies will not notice that you have left but you will not be getting FF points so you will see the change.

ejb
 
One of only 2 payment processing networks is fighting for survival. Hardly what I would call a sideshow.

It is to Woolies, they do not have an interest in either financially , only in lowering business costs.

Its not in Woolworths interest to see two networks become one, basic business common sense, they will continue to rob Peter to pay Paul so to speak and throw tidbits the way of the underdog. So yes, I am ignoring your speculation based on media reports, if Woolies did have a financial interest is seeing one payment processing mob get up it would be much more interesting, Bunnings anyone ;)
 
drron,

I fail to see how pushing the Savings button is any harder than pushing the Credit button.

Woolies will not notice that you have left but you will not be getting FF points so you will see the change.

ejb
I only have CCs not linked to a savings account.B***ered if I am going to change just for woollies.They also lose my business at BWS and Big W.Sure I am not enough to change anything but at least I am one of 2 on this thread.It may start to hurt.Even if it doesn't i feel better.
 
I only have CCs not linked to a savings account.B***ered if I am going to change just for woollies.They also lose my business at BWS and Big W.Sure I am not enough to change anything but at least I am one of 2 on this thread.It may start to hurt.Even if it doesn't i feel better.

No where has woolies said they will stop accepting CC's.

They are stopping the use of Debit Visa's which by their very nature are linked to savings accounts.

If you have CC's you can still use them so I see no problem.

ejb
 
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