Qantas FF announcement 20 June - "biggest overhaul" in program history

[jonboixxx]

If points have gone up 40,000 and carrier charges gone down $300, it’s a change in the mix of spend.

They’d do well at the L’oreal Counter

Nice arbitrage from Joycey. He's really pumping the FF business for now. I'd buy some shares were it not for the sum losses of the airline industry back to the Wright brothers.

 

[PineappleSkip]

Got the email form Olivia, feeling good. At current earn rates, meaning no retirement, I should be LTP about the time I turn 100 . The seem to have deferred the Classic Room concept.

Looking forward to the points club reveal, my new plan is to reach LTP buying Smeg toasters.

Cheers skip

 

[CaptJCool]

Does that mean it going to be pretty difficult for women? I thought AJ was all about equality.

Tax Stats tell us this inequality

Also church, mosque and temple leaders are all women

Entrenching male privilege

 

[CaptJCool]

Got the email form Olivia, feeling good. At current earn rates, meaning no retirement, I should be LTP about the time I turn 100 . The seem to have deferred the Classic Room concept.

Looking forward to the points club reveal, my new plan is to reach LTP buying Smeg toasters.

Cheers skip

You mean “The Den” for FIFOs?

 

[Reeldeel]

LTP is good news conceptually but at 75k is a strange business decision. Obviously out of the reach of most frequent fliers the carrot is there for only a handful of fliers. Would have been smarter for QF to lower the bar a bit to attract the rest of the high end FFs and retain their business.

 

[onemore]

LTP is good news conceptually but at 75k is a strange business decision. Obviously out of the reach of most frequent fliers the carrot is there for only a handful of fliers. Would have been smarter for QF to lower the bar a bit to attract the rest of the high end FFs and retain their business.

That would have made some business sense to do that, so highly unlikely, they would prefer people take their business elsewhere.

 

[Hvr]

ok so I've been told some of the changes by someone in the know, and since I'm not affiliated or bound to anything, here's a few whispers to help alleviate the speculation until tomorrow.

Yes there's both good news and the bad. Redemptions rates are going up for premium cabins, upgrades too. Carrier charges are going down, though still significant.

There will be a new tier that everyone is waiting for, which will be extremely hard to attain... and there will be even more new tiers that no-one will be expecting.... something different indeed.

New partner to use points as one of you just found. Oneworld awards are saved from the axe.

That's all for now, the full details will make themes themselves known tomorrow.

I think @PlexWeb got it right with their posts. Thank you.

I hope you keep posting.

 

[Hvr]

Also church, mosque and temple leaders are all women

Actually, they're virtually all men.

 

[p--and--t]

What I've observed over last couple years:

• almost every airline has significantly devalued their points
• many have effectively increased the cost of flights by varying number of points dependant on day and time (eliminated flat redemption structure)

What I can see so far in the Qantas announcement:

• most economy redemptions are cheaper in points and taxes/charges
• premium redemptions have increased but there is a similarly priced reduction in taxes and charges which seems to about balance out - give or take
• a predictable redemption table has been retained
• they have promised (yet to be delivered) EDIT: 1 million additional reward seats per annum (to a total of 5M) across their and partner fleets
• several new partners and many new destinations to redeem across, enriching potential journeys
• the good bits are immediate
• the bad bits are delayed for three months and give you a chance to act
• a new LTP class of which there are already hundreds of people who qualify (a high bar has been set to limit this new class to the very high flyers - remember prior to the changes all the complaints on AFF and elsewhere of already too many elites with lounge access!!!)
• the changes don't create any substantially more lounge traffic (as all the major reductions are in Y class)
• current elites have not been devalued in any way, retained all benefits and not made any harder to achieve
• if anyone should be complaining, its shareholders as the changes are predicted to cost Qantas $25m.

I sorry but when I read some of the posts on here - there are far too many people not looking at this objectively and exhibiting their DYKWIA credentials

If you think you fly a lot and the bar is too high - allegedly (from a different website I have no proof) there is a 12yo P1 who will most likely be LTP at quite a young age.

 

[zenyattamondatta]

We have a 40-something 75k-er at work who's quite happy* about being rewarded for his loyalty to CX for a several-year period early this decade.

* (actually, completely indifferent)

 

[QF WP]

Watched a Foxtel doco on Concorde this week and one chap was heavly interviewed took several HUNDRED Concorde flights alone.

75K SC to real businessmen is pretty easy.

QF had a guy years back in CEO Executive recruitment etc, who used to fly a million paid miles a year all in F to Europe and USA. A round trip to Europe around weekly. A neighbour used to Fly to SFO and back each week for years on UA. 15,000 miles a week.

This kind of travel occurs. Many here do not believe it, but it does exist. And like these kind of guys, in paid pointy end long haul so SC add up rapidly.

I remember the story about Mel Gottlieb - was in the QF FF newsletter that we used to get. We even wrote about him in 2002 on AFF (a blast from he past):

FrequentFlyer.com.au - Gazette, July 2002

Not sure that this works (or will work with all the changes happening to the QF site at present:

Fly with Australia’s most popular airline | Qantas AU

Enjoy an all-inclusive service on Australia's favourite airline, with entertainment, refreshments and checked baggage on every Qantas flight.

www.qantas.com

 

[boganbob]

If this backlash is anything to go by... tomorrow we'll see a Press Conference called "Lifetime Platinum - the biggest overhaul in its 32hr history" haha

 

[p--and--t]

We have a 40-something 75k-er at work who's quite happy* about being rewarded for his loyalty to CX for a several-year period early this decade.

* (actually, completely indifferent)

As a mere observer, if there is a major flaw in the announcement of LTP (and existing LTG) , it's not differentiating and rewarding QF flying recognition vs partner flying.

 

[JohnK]

I'm surprised nothing has leaked out.

Oh for hindsight and coming late into this thread. The leak is there a few pages back.

 

[Andz]

Looks to me QF is looking beyond their airline revenue. Rewarding customers, that link their day to day spending to QF and fly once or twice a year, will now be rewarded. These customer could earn more revenue to QF than a P1.

1 x new credit card a year plus month to month spending will get you into a privileged tier status. I can't wait to see the benefits of this new Club point plus tier. I would expect equivalent to P1. I hope; 1st class lounge access, preferred seating, free upgrades, oneworld recognition

Frequent Flyer - Flying Qantas and Partner Airlines - Status Credits and Tier Benefits - Tier Benefits

www.qantas.com

 

[Ade]

1 x new credit card a year plus month to month spending will get you into a privileged tier status. I can't wait to see the benefits of this new Club point plus tier. I would expect equivalent to P1. I hope; 1st class lounge access, preferred seating, free upgrades, oneworld recognition

I wish some of what you mentioned come true Have got 600K points, let's see where it takes me

 

[JohnK]

We all know what this means.

Lower prices for economy cabin redemptions will be offset by higher prices for premium cabin redemptions.

Welcome to the brave new world of dynamic pricing.

Some may say there was no value in economy awards and way too much value in premium awards.

Good to see this even out slightly so that everyone gets some value out of the program.

 

[downgraded]

When I think about 20 years of P1 flying for LTP it seems alot, but then I got to 30k SCs (almost), the vast majority of it down the back of the bus with only one year did I attain enough points to be a P1, alas largely with other carriers so it didn't count.

 

[wandering_fred]

I wish some of what you mentioned come true Have got 600K points, let's see where it takes me

Reading a bit more closely it is not how many points you have but how many you have earned in the "year".
So repeat every year if you want "status" (Just like flying)

Just wandering
Fred

 

[JohnK]

ATA anyone ... ?

Ouch....