Qantas Fleet Grounded 29/10

[medhead]

I know it is a small point, but Qantas did not get 96% support of shareholders, they got 96% support of shares.

I'd say you're both wrong they got 96% support of voting shareholders and 96% support of ~70% of shares.

For absolute clarity, only about 70% of shares voted at the AGM across all resolutions. I have already stated this in this thread. Remove me from the ignore list and you might occasional get some info.

 

[simongr]

The Unions never blindsided passengers like QF Management did as there was always advance notice of any possible delays or disruptions to flights. I've heard so many people use the words disgusted and Alan Joyce in the one sentence when referring to that event.

Umm planning a strike so people rearrange flights etc and then cancelling the strike at the last minute IS blindsiding people.

 

[amaroo]

I'd say you're both wrong they got 96% support of voting shareholders and 96% support of ~70% of shares.

For absolute clarity, only about 70% of shares voted at the AGM across all resolutions. I have already stated this in this thread. Remove me from the ignore list and you might occasional get some info.

medhead, another beauty - I think it's my favourite so far

 

[nitrocdh]

I have had to change my Christmas flights as its just not worth the risk at the moment.

 

[11sjw]

I have had to change my Christmas flights as its just not worth the risk at the moment.

I haven't altered my flight back from HKG in late November as I'm hoping to get stuck up there on QF's tab....

 

[medhead]

medhead, another beauty - I think it's my favourite so far

Shame I couldn't get the grammar correct. Occassionally

 

[browski]

medhead, another beauty - I think it's my favourite so far

I'm undecided if Amaroo is offering faint praise or offering to get a room. Medhead, sorry for missing your earlier post. As surprising as it seems, I don't read every post.

 

[medhead]

I'm undecided if Amaroo is offering faint praise or offering to get a room. Medhead, sorry for missing your earlier post. As surprising as it seems, I don't read every post.

Don't be sorry, I hardly expect people to read the rubbish I write. Anyway, I was bring sarcastic - the lowest form of wit is all I can manage, sorry.

Besides shareholder votes are fairly meaningless IMO. What's 30% between friends?

 

[medhead]

I have had to change my Christmas flights as its just not worth the risk at the moment.

I honestly think there is very little risk for the next few months. Industrial action has been terminated. Any legal challenges will drag out at least until after Christmas. There is probably only about another 4 or 5 weeks of court time available before they start to wind down for the break.

I wouldn't change your flights

 

[nitrocdh]

I haven't altered my flight back from HKG in late November as I'm hoping to get stuck up there on QF's tab....

Sounds like it has the potential to be a smart idea, up until QF don't provide you with any compensation

 

[nitrocdh]

I honestly think there is very little risk for the next few months. Industrial action has been terminated. Any legal challenges will drag out at least until after Christmas. There is probably only about another 4 or 5 weeks of court time available before they start to wind down for the break.

I wouldn't change your flights

You make a valid point and normally I wouldn't bother to change but due to me being a personal carer I have to be able to get back on the 27th Dec (within 12 hrs of the flight time I selected).

 

[amaroo]

I'm undecided if Amaroo is offering faint praise or offering to get a room. Medhead, sorry for missing your earlier post. As surprising as it seems, I don't read every post.

Sorry, no where near as funny as the, medhead :mrgreen:

 

[medhead]

You make a valid point and normally I wouldn't bother to change but due to me being a personal carer I have to be able to get back on the 27th Dec (within 12 hrs of the flight time I selected).

Fair enough, you gotta do what your comfortable with. But (always one with me) the threat on strikes or groundings has been knocked on the head.

 

[11sjw]

Sounds like it has the potential to be a smart idea, up until QF don't provide you with any compensation

This is where the AMEX Charge card travel insurance and some extra annual leave owing will kick in....

 

[equus]

This is where the AMEX Charge card travel insurance a...... will kick in....

Always make sure you know the terms of the Insurance.

The Amex Charge card insurance (I am assuming Platinum, Centurion has differnt limits, and possibly different conditions, but I doubt they are significantly diffrerent), will pay an amount for accommodation and meals for denied boarding / cancelled flight, but it is a one-off amount. It doens't matter if you are delayed just over the 4 hours for the insurance to kick in, or a week - the total amount that it will cover remains the same. Works well for normal delays of around 24 hours, but I wouldn't be counting on it for too much of an extended party!

Lost / delayed baggage (which wouldn't apply in this situation) is only slightly different - a one off limit, then another amount if greater than 48 hours, but that it the total.

 

[Moody]

My personal impact from the industrial action by the ...

Unions :- one flight down to Melbourne cancelled and I was moved to another one 15 minutes earlier, resulting in me finding a great place near the office to have an egg & bacon roll. Return flight cancelled and I was moved to a later one, but I rang them and they swapped it for an earlier flight and then when I got to the airport they forward-loaded me onto the next Sydney service. Got home 2 hours earlier than expected.

Company :- fortunately I was not travelling that week, so there but for the grace of Brian ...


I think AJ and the Qantas board feared that the unions were going to change tactics in a way that would impact the customers less but the company more. To use a cricketing analogy the unions started off with quite a few wides and no-balls that had the crowd frustrated, but were realising that they could restrict scoring by bowling underarm (e.g. - like the Jetstar check-in staff refusing to charge for excess baggage).
The company couldn't afford to lose both the moral highground and the financial battle, so they said "if I can't smash you guys for six with my aluminium bat from SEA then it's game over" and walked off the field. They were quickly dragged back by the umpires to resume the game, but it is a temporary truce.

But leaving aside lame sporting leaders (sorry analogies), what is the future going to hold? I predict that there will not be an agreement struck, and so FWA will be forced to arbitrate. But is such arbitration binding and can they really do anything to stop Qantas off-shoring the bulk of their international business? Somehow I think we will be back to square one very soon.

 

[themaiz]

Has there been any stated position, or anecdotal evidence, on coverage of lost income as a result of the grounding?

I had two days of work, related to CHOGM and booked long in advance, that were unrecoverably lost due to the grounding. No amount of free buffet in LA or free trips back home makes up for that.

 

[QF WP]

what is the future going to hold? I predict that there will not be an agreement struck, and so FWA will be forced to arbitrate. But is such arbitration binding and can they really do anything to stop Qantas off-shoring the bulk of their international business? Somehow I think we will be back to square one very soon.

My understanding is that it is indeed binding and QF hopes after their first "win" (by the FWA declaring all action to cease immediately), if they can't get any further in this 21 day "mediation period", that FWA will rule the union demands economically unviable for the company. Both sides have their positions that I doubt will have changed in this mediated period, so are both looking at the umpire to declare for their side.

 

[Standby]

interesting story with Richard de Crespigny in the Aus today agreeing that working practises need changing

Cookies must be enabled | The Australian

either 2 sides to every story or the protest tie clashed with his eyes

 

[Oneworldplus2]

But leaving aside lame sporting leaders (sorry analogies), what is the future going to hold? I predict that there will not be an agreement struck, and so FWA will be forced to arbitrate. But is such arbitration binding and can they really do anything to stop Qantas off-shoring the bulk of their international business? Somehow I think we will be back to square one very soon.

Not standing up for QF, but they aren't the first (nor last), company to off-shore parts of their business to try to turn a bigger profit. QF is listed on ASX and has shareholders, who l guess are hoping for a rise in the share price and dividends.

Some examples;
James Hardie doing a runner

(In talks/planning at the moment) Shell to stop refining at Clyde (NSW) and importing a finished product from Asia because labour is cheaper in Asia and Shell can turn a bigger profit - Sounds like QF to me.