Qantas Fleet Grounded 29/10

[Oneworldplus2]

Saw this on another forum and thought that I'd post it here.

I will go for the chip on the shoulder along with ability of these QF guys any day over the ones that staple electrical cables to the fuselage and can't even fit an oxy bottle properly (and I hope you remember how just those two items nearly made the dialogue of Rain Man look irrelevant).

Some of the ambit claims the the unions are looking for will not work in the current competitive international climate but their claims are a damn sight closer to being realistic than some of the populist media spin that some on here are falling for.

Ask QF management why they are the only major airline in the world that does not operate Boeing 777's, for those that don't know, they are the ones that burn 80 tonnes less fuel on a Syd to LAX trip than an aging 747 and why they bought A330's (Hyundai's of the sky) instead which cannot even make it to LAX with a full load.

Its costing them more on fuel and maintenance of four old engines on a 747 on a daily basis to LAX than what the unions are asking for over ten years.

Do some homework folks, some of you are so far off the mark it is funny.

 

[drron]

Um.. I suspect not (although that would be a serious bargain). At the time GW LM was introduced (1983 or 1984, IIRC) the annual GW membership was $60, and LM was pitched at $500. Simple math said: fly for eight years and you're ahead, so I jumped in early enough to be LM number 67. I got 18 years very good value from the LM on AN domestic. Even though I mostly flew QF international, it was useful to have access to Red Carpet lounges on the occasions when I flew UA in the US.

Some time in the mid 90s we spent $1200 or so to buy Mrs TheMaiz a partner GW LM. Unpredictably, that turned out to be really cough value. Who would have thought?

Just went to the QF site and can't see LM on the rate card. Is it still offered?

There were corporate rates available though and mrsdrron got life golden wings for$400.My Life QP was just a little dearer.

 

[Budley]

BTW, how long does your suspension last on FT

I'll be back there soon enough (as you'll see). But I'm willing to admit I may have been wrong. Think a younger person, perhaps.

It's good to be able to monitor such things, though.

Have a nice day.

 

[amaroo]

I'll be back there soon enough (as you'll see). But I'm willing to admit I may have been wrong. Think a younger person, perhaps.

It's good to be able to monitor such things, though.

Have a nice day.

I never got a chance to see your last post.....must have been a good one!

 

[oz_mark]

Interesting article from a pilots perspective

View from the coughpit

FIRST officer Peter S* was taxi-ing his Qantas CityFlyer flight from one of Australia's major airports on Saturday afternoon when the call came through from air traffic control to contact the Qantas operations frequency urgently. He was told to turn his flight around and return to the gate as all Qantas flights had been grounded.

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[serfty]

Saw this on another forum and thought that I'd post it here.

I will go for the chip on the shoulder along with ability of these QF guys any day over the ones that staple electrical cables to the fuselage and can't even fit an oxy bottle properly (and I hope you remember how just those two items nearly made the dialogue of Rain Man look irrelevant).

...

Ask QF management why they are the only major airline in the world that does not operate Boeing 777's, for those that don't know, they are the ones that burn 80 tonnes less fuel on a Syd to LAX trip than an aging 747 and why they bought A330's (Hyundai's of the sky) instead which cannot even make it to LAX with a full load....

Hmmm, why post that here. The quote is from someone who does not know their facts, so much so that it is laughable.

The stapling of electrical cabling in a 747-400 was done in Australia by one of QF's direct employees: Home truths about those Qantas staples | Crikey

In relation to oxygen bottle; the ATSB concluded: "the investigation found that the manner of cylinder failure was unusual and implicated the presence of a defect, or action of a mechanism that directly led to the rupture event.". The most recent inspection of the aircraft oxygen cylinders had been "carried out at the operator’s in-house workshops and facilities" some eight weeks earlier in Australia.

As for the 772, it did not have the range for MEL/SYD/BNE-LAX/SFO when Qantas were evaluating it. By the time the 772ER became available, Qantas were already committed elsewhere.

 

[Robmn]

does anyone recall the advert by v australia of their a330 coast to coast service where there are 6 or 7 cabin crew in the j/c cabin serving pax??..... or even a big mac that looks 6inches tall....i could go on and on.. my point.... its why EVERY advertisement agency exists to achieve..entice consumers to try the product!!! sorry...about drifting of topic!!!

Let me say I did fly VAustralia to LAX - what was in the glossy brochure is not in the real world.

r

 

[Budley]

I never got a chance to see your last post.....must have been a good one!

I can't remember either.

Must have been generic.

 

[chrissie]

Let me say I did fly VAustralia to LAX - what was in the glossy brochure is not in the real world.

r

Very few glossy adverts are true anyway, truth in advertising is far from the truth......

 

[11sjw]

As for the 772, it did not have the range for MEL/SYD/BNE-LAX/SFO when Qantas were evaluating it. By the time the 772ER became available, Qantas were already committed elsewhere.

To extend that further when QF next evaluated aircraft the A380 was an option and was chose due to forecast congestion at major destinations (LHR/LAX). The A380 simply delivered more people in one go.

The 787 was the next chose due to it being cheaper to run than any 777.

Pity both the A380 and 787 have been late otherwise this fountain of misinformation would never have formed.

QF addressed this issue during the recent AGM.

 

[JohnK]

Not condoning union action but still surprised at the number of people in favour of QF decision. Alan Joyce should really ask/take another 2 million increase in salary for disrupting as many Qantas travellers in a weekend that the unions took 2-3 months to disrupt.

But the Unions actions were a mosquito bite; the Qantas mgt actions were a nuclear bomb. Keep perspective.

Which is the lesser of 2 evils? Disrupt 60 million over 2 months or dirupt 60-80 million in one weekend?

So given that the unions disrupted the same number of people over the course of their actions is irrelevant?

Irrelevant. Qantas did what they had to do to justify the $2 million increase to Alan Joyce's salary the day before.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Just went to the QF site and can't see LM on the rate card. Is it still offered?

No it is not - has been gone for years - I bought my two older kids LM, but wasn't able to buy for the youngest (you had to be 18), so I think it has been gone for around 4 years. Hard to see it coming back.

 

[TonyHancock]

In my opinion Mr Joyce made a mistake with his pay increase. Perception = Reality. Unfortunately for Mr Joyce the reality of his increase has been "spun" a little.

Given his actions within 24 hours of the AGM, and assuming he is not as stupid as some would like to have us believe, surely it would have been "politically" more acceptable to forgo any sort of increase for at least six months. It would certainly have removed a lot of fuel from the fire. I have no desire to see anyone give up salary that is due to them but sometimes it is the right approach for the business.

 

[dfcatch]

In my opinion Mr Joyce made a mistake with his pay increase. Perception = Reality. Unfortunately for Mr Joyce the reality of his increase has been "spun" a little.

Given his actions within 24 hours of the AGM, and assuming he is not as stupid as some would like to have us believe, surely it would have been "politically" more acceptable to forgo any sort of increase for at least six months. It would certainly have removed a lot of fuel from the fire. I have no desire to see anyone give up salary that is due to them but sometimes it is the right approach for the business.

Perhaps he was worried about his salary getting "enhanced"

 

[Robmn]

To extend that further when QF next evaluated aircraft the A380 was an option and was chose due to forecast congestion at major destinations (LHR/LAX). The A380 simply delivered more people in one go.

The 787 was the next chose due to it being cheaper to run than any 777.

Pity both the A380 and 787 have been late otherwise this fountain of misinformation would never have formed.

QF addressed this issue during the recent AGM.

And the ordering A330 which had light floors, and such were not used for there intended purpose.

r

 

[amaroo]

In my opinion Mr Joyce made a mistake with his pay increase. Perception = Reality. Unfortunately for Mr Joyce the reality of his increase has been "spun" a little.

Given his actions within 24 hours of the AGM, and assuming he is not as stupid as some would like to have us believe, surely it would have been "politically" more acceptable to forgo any sort of increase for at least six months. It would certainly have removed a lot of fuel from the fire. I have no desire to see anyone give up salary that is due to them but sometimes it is the right approach for the business.

Have to agree. All the board achieved was to give the unions a free kick.....quite silly. I wouldn't call it greedy as compared to others in the generally community his new salary is far from outrageous

But, without a doubt is was stupid timing.

 

[muppet]

Have to agree. All the board achieved was to give the unions a free kick.....quite silly. I wouldn't call it greedy as compared to others in the generally community his new salary is far from outrageous

But, without a doubt is was stupid timing.

I presume you mean the 'CEO Community' no workers are getting that kind of pay.

If he did refuse his pay increase it would prove he's committed to the cause - rather than 'do as i say not as i do'

 

[amaroo]

I presume you mean the 'CEO Community' no workers are getting that kind of pay.

If he did refuse his pay increase it would prove he's committed to the cause - rather than 'do as i say not as i do'

Fortunately or Unfortunately (depends on your point of view) there are many Non-CEO's who earn around this amount. Most are senior but they are still PAYE employees.

Also, if you were to compare actual job roles, responsibility, risk, etc, there are many in the community that "weight for age" earn far more than our AJ.

Still, he & the board should have had the good sense to manage this better.

 

[Moopere]

In my opinion Mr Joyce made a mistake with his pay increase. Perception = Reality. Unfortunately for Mr Joyce the reality of his increase has been "spun" a little.

Given his actions within 24 hours of the AGM, and assuming he is not as stupid as some would like to have us believe, surely it would have been "politically" more acceptable to forgo any sort of increase for at least six months. It would certainly have removed a lot of fuel from the fire. I have no desire to see anyone give up salary that is due to them but sometimes it is the right approach for the business.

I generally agree with this. My comment though is .... can one do this 'delay' with CEO or board remuneration/contracts? I had formed the idea that such things had to be agreed upon at the yearly AGM. To delay it would imply (maybe??) that another AGM would have to be held purely for directors salary via votes later in the year??? I may be wrong, happy to be corrected.

 

[TonyHancock]

I generally agree with this. My comment though is .... can one do this 'delay' with CEO or board remuneration/contracts? I had formed the idea that such things had to be agreed upon at the yearly AGM. To delay it would imply (maybe??) that another AGM would have to be held purely for directors salary via votes later in the year??? I may be wrong, happy to be corrected.

He would almost certainly have to wait a year. (I did, and declined again!)