anat0l
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To be fair, if VA didn't offer it to their WPs, then who would they offer them to? (Unless they proposed to make them everyone pays)VA offers their Economy X seats to WPs….
To be fair, if VA didn't offer it to their WPs, then who would they offer them to? (Unless they proposed to make them everyone pays)VA offers their Economy X seats to WPs….
It was indeed the case maybe two decades ago. Long changed.I seem to recall, unless some things have changed, row 5 has slightly less legroom than those other rows (comparable to the legroom of rows behind the emergency exit rows).
Come to think of it, there's every possibility it may have changed, particularly with the newer 738s.
Just like anyone except a WP or P1 in QF row 4, I would assume this isn't supposed to be a normal occurrence.I saw a youtube TR where a VA Gold was bumped up to YX for nothin'
It happened to me once during my year as a VA SG. Over wing exits also became selectable for free at T-24 on busy flightsI saw a youtube TR where a VA Gold was bumped up to YX for nothin'
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True.Just like anyone except a WP or P1 in QF row 4, I would assume this isn't supposed to be a normal occurrence.
Also, you did say, "bumped up"... as opposed to they could just select it or they purchased it.......
It also includes PCV - but that PCV is relative to (and here we are not completely sure) some combination of all the other PCV and/or status pax.
PCV has always come into play with seating on all QF flights at T-80h which is when a flight moves to departure control.
I doubt anyone at QF will answer anything about PCV. That sort of data (if you have access to it) is trade secret level stuff.So is PCV an individual's value (ie how much one person spends on flying), or is it like the Chairmans Lounge and about their influence/ability to bring revenue to QF ? And I suppose PCV is vastly different to having "CIP" on your boarding pass ?
Agree - you will never get the details.I doubt anyone at QF will answer anything about PCV. That sort of data (if you have access to it) is trade secret level stuff.
A Perceived Customer Value will be an esoteric mix of all sorts of things. Amount spent on flying may be part of it, but perceived profit on the amount spent is much more likely to be what is considered. Someone dropping $15K on a return J international flight may be perceived as more valuable than some spending $15k on 50 round trip domestic Y flights. On the otherhand, someone spending $15K on return J domestic flights may well trump a one-trip international wonder.So is PCV an individual's value (ie how much one person spends on flying), or is it like the Chairmans Lounge and about their influence/ability to bring revenue to QF ? And I suppose PCV is vastly different to having "CIP" on your boarding pass ?
I doubt anyone at QF will answer anything about PCV. That sort of data (if you have access to it) is trade secret level stuff.
No doubt, like the Coca Cola formula is in a vault of sorts!Agree - you will never get the details.
A Perceived Customer Value will be an esoteric mix of all sorts of things. Amount spent on flying may be part of it, but perceived profit on the amount spent is much more likely to be what is considered. Someone dropping $15K on a return J international flight may be perceived as more valuable than some spending $15k on 50 round trip domestic Y flights. On the otherhand, someone spending $15K on return J domestic flights may well trump a one-trip international wonder.
Status - and how much spent on QF vs alliance members, and then all manner of other things that could be indicators of value could possible be factored in. Someone who churns millions of points from CC sign ups and then spends them on toasters might be perceived to have high value. CL probably figures in,
CIP on the boarding pass really means someone a travel agent who can insert that in the booking wants to keep coming back to them - means nothing to the airline.
I think Amadeus call it Process Customer Value these days - but what matters is how you compare to others on the same flight, so it's more of an index. rather than the number having any intrinsic meaning.Agree - you will never get the details.
A Perceived Customer Value will be an esoteric mix of all sorts of things. Amount spent on flying may be part of it, but perceived profit on the amount spent is much more likely to be what is considered. Someone dropping $15K on a return J international flight may be perceived as more valuable than some spending $15k on 50 round trip domestic Y flights. On the otherhand, someone spending $15K on return J domestic flights may well trump a one-trip international wonder.
Status - and how much spent on QF vs alliance members, and then all manner of other things that could be indicators of value could possible be factored in. Someone who churns millions of points from CC sign ups and then spends them on toasters might be perceived to have high value. CL probably figures in,
CIP on the boarding pass really means someone a travel agent who can insert that in the booking wants to keep coming back to them - means nothing to the airline.
Or it just proves the complete lack of innovation in QF Y. They have failed to offer extra legroom sections such as US airlines have offered for so long and thus provide no product differentiation to understand what people might actually have been willing to pay for (answers given to surveys are pretty weak indicators of anything of substance). Perhaps the flying masses are peed off with Y seating and would happily pay more for something better but simply can't afford the jump to a PE seat at the front of the plane.Not 737 or row 4 but if this a220 is anything to go by, i think QF is actually onto something.
This has ticked past t-80 and all those extra leg room seats are suddenly now all sold (they're not free yet).
Pre t-80 i think they're not visible to other flyers.
Unless of course we have potential US travellers connecting who are checked in. Timing right now is about t-40.
So is PCV an individual's value (ie how much one person spends on flying), or is it like the Chairmans Lounge and about their influence/ability to bring revenue to QF ? And I suppose PCV is vastly different to having "CIP" on your boarding pass ?
Nvm i just figured out whats going on... After boarding a 717.Not 737 or row 4 but if this a220 is anything to go by, i think QF is actually onto something.
This has ticked past t-80 and all those extra leg room seats are suddenly now all sold (they're not free yet).
Pre t-80 i think they're not visible to other flyers.
Unless of course we have potential US travellers connecting who are checked in. Timing right now is about t-40.
Qantas has announced that legroom charges will be increasing in 2 weeks time (April 18).
But the big move as a part of the change - Row 4 won't be selectable anymore at T-80 for many domestic flights as it will be classed as an extra legroom seat from 18 April. P1 and Chairman's Lounge members won't be charged for picking a Row 4 seat, but looks like anyone else might be...
Qantas revamps extra legroom charges - Executive Traveller