Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth)-Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soar

[Happy Trails]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

I'm not saying I believe it but ...

[FONT=&amp]A study by Deloitte Access Economics found that the Perth- London flight would deliver up to $140 million a year to WA from tourist spending. It would also create about 330 new local jobs each year. All up, the report estimates this one flight would boost gross State product by up to $722 million over the first decade.

[/FONT]https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/33289197/perth-london-service-an-amazing-opportunity-alan-joyce/#page1

 

[nlagalle]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

it will create 3-4 hours of part time work for a handful of people, assuming checkin opens three hours before departure, but there may only be one or two desks if the majority of pax are transferring. There'll be some extra work for baggage handlers etc. But where will the cabin crew come from? I wonder if they will be uk based on cheaper salaries? that would be taking work away from Australia.

You are referring to a single flight. Multiply that if there are more flights added..

Cabin crew would be Australian based.

 

[Pleb Status]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

So additional flights, better transfers, increased employment are of no benefit?

The additional flights 'carrot' is only dangling because even QF knows there is no way the WA Government can justify the corporate welfare on a single flight.

Perth residents and visitors will not care about the transfer as we will not use it. Regional WA residents and visitors might, but QF has been happy for them to use the bus for years now.

The additional employment is very minimal for the single flight. Certainly compared to the $25M to $45M of corporate welfare.

The new flight can be accommodated at T1 with no welfare required. The additional employment will be same and the same number of visitors will come to WA. The only people who may be inconvenienced (say 50-75 pax per flight) will contribute nothing to WA. So if their governments want to pay so they do not need to take a bus, send us a cheque....

 

[docjames]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

Well this makes interesting reading too.

http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/about/company/DAE-final-report.pdf

You could challenge some of the assumptions (like any good economic analysis).

Cant find a publicly available report showing how the $140m would be made up.....

 

[dajop]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

It sure will benefit Qantas. Being able to connect directly to a Qantaslink flight without changing terminals to places in regional WA will surely create tourism opportunities for broome, esperance, etc and give VA little chance of capturing the through traffic

I suspect having a same terminal transfer to BME or regional WA is inconsequential if coming from LHR, most wouldn't even know or care about it at the time of booking, and therefore would do little to enhance tourism opportunities vs transferring between terminals. The non-stop service itself may create those opportunities - in that it will provide a one stop to regional WA from LHR rather than 2 stop service, irrespective of terminal transfer arrangements. If wanting to invest in northern WA tourism, a non-stop from SE Asia would be much more beneficial way of spending money.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

You are referring to a single flight. Multiply that if there are more flights added..

Cabin crew would be Australian based.

was there an announcement saying cabin crew would be Aussie based? the ones ex London now I thought were uk based?

more flights to where added? if PER is so profitable, why did QF cut all international services from there?

 

[Melburnian1]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

The experience of governments with outfits like the SPC cannery in Shepparton, Victoria shows that it is best for governments to leave these sort of decisions to the market to sort out - by that I mean private enterprise.

The South Australian Labor government has been particularly big on 'incentives', yet the state is a basket case.

If QF wants to pay Perth Airport's lessees to undertake this work, great...Australian taxpayers ought not pay, as there are many other airlines providing flights to LHR or European locations who will not be subsidised in this way.

The Deloitte report is highly likely to massively overestimate any 'benefits' and discount any 'costs.'

 

[Quickstatus]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

The Deloitte report is highly likely to massively overestimate any 'benefits' and discount any 'costs.'

Yes the commissioner of a report gets to apply it's own assumptions and methodology.

Im always skeptical that tourism can ever unilaterally properly sustain or even grow an economy. Most tourism employment is low or semiskilled.

JP suggests his Casino enterprises create lots of jobs - most are the waitstaff, house staff variety.

But he is right in that high value tourism requires a compelling city. A world heritage attraction alone does not cut it. Why does LAS pull so much tourism compared to the Grand Canyons?

 

[moa999]

Plenty of industries get incentives - from r&d to specific incentives for the car and film industries. No reason aviation should be any different

 

[nlagalle]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

was there an announcement saying cabin crew would be Aussie based? the ones ex London now I thought were uk based?

more flights to where added? if PER is so profitable, why did QF cut all international services from there?

Why would they use U.K. based crew when a crew base is in PER??

The reason I saw was the aircraft required on other routes that were more profitable the from PER.

 

[Melburnian1]

Plenty of industries get incentives - from r&d to specific incentives for the car and film industries. No reason aviation should be any different

They do, but two wrongs don't make a right: look where that's got Australia with the car manufacturers. Out of our country to manufacture elsewhere, even while still receiving huge benefits from the Commonwealth and State governments. Local fleet and private car buyers rejected Australian vehicles en masse, preferring imported passenger motor vehicles.

Winding back these sorts of 'grants', 'subsidies' and so on to private enterprise would give a net benefit to Australia, because apart from anything else, the deadweight cost of administration of these schemes is enormous.

Remember the school building and pink batts schemes? Massive cost, taxpayers ripped off, unnecessary buildings constructed and most sadly of all, some employees or contractors died in the pink batts fiasco.

There is no logical argument that international aviation requires taxpayer subsidies.

 

[Quickstatus]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

Why would they use U.K. based crew when a crew base is in PER??

The reason I saw was the aircraft required on other routes that were more profitable the from PER.

A LHR based crew using the same logic . PER would be a much cheaper place to slip a crew than LHR.
Agree though that other routes were more profitable partly due to the wrong aircraft but most likely corrected with the 787

 

[dajop]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

A LHR based crew using the same logic . PER would be a much cheaper place to slip a crew than LHR.

With current GBP:AUD exchange rate I'm not sure if it would be "much" cheaper, depending on whether the crew were housed- hotels near LHR or closer to central London (FWIW, Sheraton @ LHR is routinely priced to the public at $150 AUD/night).

 

[yohy?!]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

You are referring to a single flight. Multiply that if there are more flights added..

Cabin crew would be Australian based.

Many qfi FAs are not Australian based now ( either NZ or U.K. ) no reason to expect any different for these flights

 

[casanovawa]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

How about they start their flight out of Terminal 1, if its so profitable and the case for adding more flights is so compelling then can review T3/4 in 6 months...

Till then, remembering their cut and run i'd tell them to blow it out their posterior....

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

How about they start their flight out of Terminal 1, if its so profitable and the case for adding more flights is so compelling then can review T3/4 in 6 months...

Till then, remembering their cut and run i'd tell them to blow it out their posterior....

no no no no no!!! If they can't get the terminal they want now it will mean the end of Perth-London services for at least 10 years!!

Which leads me to a couple of questions... if the PER service is on such a knife edge that QF can't afford to pay for their own building works, were they really intending to fly it in the first place? And if you can forego the profits on a route for at least 10 years that would seem to indicate that there was never much profit to be made in the first place (otherwise you'd be trying in year 2, 3, 4, and so on until you got it).

 

[browski]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

My bet is that Turkish Airlines will have IST-MEL/SYD (14,632 km) before PER-LHR (14,466Km).

 

[moa999]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

My bet is that Turkish Airlines will have IST-MEL/SYD (14,632 km) before PER-LHR (14,466Km).

But does that offer anything different to what the ME3 already offer??

 

[dajop]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

But does that offer anything different to what the ME3 already offer??

It could offer a lot more one-stop coverage from MEL or SYD to secondary (or is tertiary?) European cities, such as Salzburg, Sarajevo, Dubrovnik, Tallin, Riga, Vilnius, Basel, Luxembourg, secondary Germany & Italian cities, etc , and the list goes on. Plus other Turkey destinations, and not forgetting Tel Aviv.

 

[nlagalle]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

Many qfi FAs are not Australian based now ( either NZ or U.K. ) no reason to expect any different for these flights

That's a very small number compared to the AU based ones..