Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth)-Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soar

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

unfairly? by the same token are does it also mean that its bad luck when a competitor enters the market with foreign investor with deep pockets who can pour a fair amount of cash into the company???

why isn't it an ordinary circumstance? Any other airline can set up and compete against Qantas without the same restrictions placed upon it in terms of who can invest in it.

At the end of the day they are both businesses, and therefore should be either competing on the same terms, or if a government imposes a restriction, it should be compensating for the limitations placed on the company. Once again this has nothing to do with the shareholders. It's to do with the business being able to access the same type of investors.

As to your analogy.. it would be more akin to you and a competitor both having blocks in the same street but because you were there first and bought it off the government you are not allowed to develop, but the newcomer can.

And I would agree with your points if the restriction was imposed retrospectively. But it wasn't. If you don't like the terms and conditions of the sale - don't buy.

I appreciate you don't think this has to do with shareholders... but if if it's not them as the ultimate beneficiary, who is? As a passenger I haven't seen too many benefits.

 

[nlagalle]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

And I would agree with your points if the restriction was imposed retrospectively. But it wasn't. If you don't like the terms and conditions of the sale - don't buy.

I appreciate you don't think this has to do with shareholders... but if if it's not them as the ultimate beneficiary, who is? As a passenger I haven't seen too many benefits.

It doesn't.. one day you might understand about how a business can be invested in to grow. VA could do it (gather investment from overseas), Qantas couldn't until the rules were relaxed.

 

[Melburnian1]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

The Airline Ratings website has an article suggesting that the flights may not soar, although it sort of qualifies this at the end of the contribution.

Time will tell given that there is a state election in March 2017 in WA.

I smell both major contenders for government 'announcing' a 'deal' that will end up (just like the Victorian socialist government - Jetstar one at Avalon Airport (AVV) with massively subsidised flights) being of little benefit to anyone but QF.

QF does not need, nor should it be asking for government or airport welfare.

 

[dajop]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

Just like the Victorian socialist government -

Should that not be "socialist governments" ? Of all political persuasions, as per here.

 

[Melburnian1]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

Should that not be "socialist governments" ? Of all political persuasions, as per here.

Thank you dajop. Point taken. The current government announced a far longer deal if my memory is accurate, though.

 

[nlagalle]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

I smell both major contenders for government 'announcing' a 'deal' that will end up (just like the Victorian socialist government - Jetstar one at Avalon Airport (AVV) with massively subsidised flights) being of little benefit to anyone but QF.

QF does not need, nor should it be asking for government or airport welfare.

It is nothing unusual for governments to offer incentives for businesses to set up shop in a state. happens all the time and it isn't limited to airlines. You did also know that the Queensland government was subsidising airlines for flying to regional QLD?

 

[samh004]

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You did also know that the Queensland government was subsidising airlines for flying to regional QLD?

That's how I'm able to get to LRE so often, otherwise it would be prohibitively expensive for me!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

It is nothing unusual for governments to offer incentives for businesses to set up shop in a state. happens all the time and it isn't limited to airlines. You did also know that the Queensland government was subsidising airlines for flying to regional QLD?

obviously the WA government will do their cost-benefit analysis for PER. I don't think there should be any federal funding... I'm not paying for a couple dozen business class passengers to enjoy a service that is somewhat unneccesary. Unlike subsidised services in Queensland, which are social services required to keep the state functioning.

 

[UP4014]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

18+ hours without a break in a cramped Y seat? No thanks.

I'll take the larger seats on the A380 with a shower and stretch of my legs half way through in Dubai every time.

I'll take a bypass of Dubai every time.

 

[UP4014]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

It is nothing unusual for governments to offer incentives for businesses to set up shop in a state. happens all the time and it isn't limited to airlines. You did also know that the Queensland government was subsidising airlines for flying to regional QLD?

Not just the QLD govt, there is a federal and other state schemes to keep services to regional towns.

 

[nlagalle]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

obviously the WA government will do their cost-benefit analysis for PER. I don't think there should be any federal funding... I'm not paying for a couple dozen business class passengers to enjoy a service that is somewhat unneccesary. Unlike subsidised services in Queensland, which are social services required to keep the state functioning.

It's not about a couple of dozen J pax (what about the other pax) it's about the benefit it'll bring to PER and the area. Could easily evolve into a hub for other EU destinations too

 

[mannej]

Here is something to ponder

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/33307104/perth-airports-profits-hit-three-year-high/

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

It's not about a couple of dozen J pax (what about the other pax) it's about the benefit it'll bring to PER and the area. Could easily evolve into a hub for other EU destinations too

the only way it will benefit Perth as a city will be if you force passengers to take a stopover with meals and accommodation... otherwise pax will fly straight through on immediate connecting services. how does that benefit WA?

and if people really do want a stopover, is Perth on that list? you might get a couple of people breaking their journey there... but really? when they can have a choice of Dubai, Thailand, Singapore, Hong Kong, China or Japan... they will really change their habits and stopover in Perth?

 

[Pleb Status]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

It's not about a couple of dozen J pax (what about the other pax) it's about the benefit it'll bring to PER and the area. Could easily evolve into a hub for other EU destinations too

Using T3/T4 will bring no benefit at all to WA. Passengers that will bring a benefit to WA will stop and therefore will not care what terminal they use.

 

[nlagalle]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

the only way it will benefit Perth as a city will be if you force passengers to take a stopover with meals and accommodation... otherwise pax will fly straight through on immediate connecting services. how does that benefit WA?

and if people really do want a stopover, is Perth on that list? you might get a couple of people breaking their journey there... but really? when they can have a choice of Dubai, Thailand, Singapore, Hong Kong, China or Japan... they will really change their habits and stopover in Perth?

Perth gets a hub, creates more work, on the return factor people visiting might stop in PER as a start to their trip. Not everyone likes SE Asia as a destination.

 

[nlagalle]

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Using T3/T4 will bring no benefit at all to WA. Passengers that will bring a benefit to WA will stop and therefore will not care what terminal they use.

So additional flights, better transfers, increased employment are of no benefit?

 

[Altair]

Here is something to ponder

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/33307104/perth-airports-profits-hit-three-year-high/

Yes something to ponder but also check this out (Perth Airport awarded capital city airport of the year) australianaviation.com.au....just like Air New Zealand getting "Airline of the Year" third year in a row from airline ratings.

 

[docjames]

Here is something to ponder

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/33307104/perth-airports-profits-hit-three-year-high/

PER can probably afford the cost QF is asking. but then, so can QF who had a profit 10x greater.

Basically they're all just conducting business via the media.

Arguably the one who can least afford it (although they need the income / revenue afforded by pax growth....) is the WA state government.

 

[exceladdict]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

Using T3/T4 will bring no benefit at all to WA. Passengers that will bring a benefit to WA will stop and therefore will not care what terminal they use.

It sure will benefit Qantas. Being able to connect directly to a Qantaslink flight without changing terminals to places in regional WA will surely create tourism opportunities for broome, esperance, etc and give VA little chance of capturing the through traffic

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth) -Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soa

So additional flights, better transfers, increased employment are of no benefit?

it will create 3-4 hours of part time work for a handful of people, assuming checkin opens three hours before departure, but there may only be one or two desks if the majority of pax are transferring. There'll be some extra work for baggage handlers etc. But where will the cabin crew come from? I wonder if they will be uk based on cheaper salaries? that would be taking work away from Australia.