Qantas: 'one of the worst airlines in the free world'

[Pleb Status]

The collective does not change the fact that you willingly made a false and deceptive statement, were called out upon it and are defending dishonesty with an alternative (straw man) argument.
You also have not admitted to lying or made any concession, despite the facts showing the statements you made are wrong.
Again, no judgement, it's not personal.
Just next time try not to contribute to the demise of society (this part of it, at least) by making false statements.
If anything you should be thankful for someone giving you the opportunity to correct your mistake.

If you want to discuss another topic, feel free to make a new thread about it.

Not a QF fanboi you say....

 

[andye]

Her honour has been besmirched and must be defended

 

[Kangol]

Not a QF fanboi you say....

Show me where I have defended QF's behaviour.
I've had bad experiences on QF.
Just read my posts.
I've had PS/SG prioritised over me as WP.

 

[drron]

By calling out "
The collective does not change the fact that you willingly made a false and deceptive statement, were called out upon it and are defending dishonesty with an alternative (straw man) argument.
You also have not admitted to lying or made any concession, despite the facts showing the statements you made are wrong.'"

Giving your personal opinion or repeating an opinion of someone else is not lying or being deceptive.they are opinions and were given as such.

 

[SFO777]

Perhaps we should add this to the list to which fanboi/fanboys can get upset about and dispute.
Qantas' South African call centre is an embarrassment

 

[Pushka]

Perhaps we should add this to the list to which fanboi/fanboys can get upset about and dispute.
Qantas' South African call centre is an embarrassment

Stirring the pot a little?

You could also add, the processing of refunds especially for award travel; the regulation of priority boarding; the meals served in J business flights including running out of options by row 2; long call waits - and there will be more.

 

[SFO777]

Stirring the pot a little?

Moi?

 

[Kangol]

Giving your personal opinion or repeating an opinion of someone else is not lying or being deceptive.they are opinions and were given as such.

You have missed the point. If you don't want to read the entire thread, don't read it at all.

This is the lie.
It is not true, whether you believe or not, whether you accept it or not.

Well, I can confirm - for those people who may not have rational cognitive ability - that SFO77 is largely correct in his observations and they are fairly representative or a typical experience flying QF.

If you want to promote and contribute to dishonesty, please stop posting.

 

[Pushka]

You have missed the point. If you don't want to read the entire thread, don't read it at all.

This is the lie.
It is not true, whether you believe or not, whether you accept it or not.
If you want to promote and contribute to dishonesty, please stop posting.

Isn’t this all just opinions? There’s no right or wrong or truth but anecdotal evidence.

 

[SFO777]

You have missed the point. If you don't want to read the entire thread, don't read it at all.
This is the lie. It is not true, whether you believe or not, whether you accept it or not. If you want to promote and contribute to dishonesty, please stop posting.

I'm thinking that someone needs a time out.

 

[drron]

You have missed the point. If you don't want to read the entire thread, don't read it at all.

This is the lie.
It is not true, whether you believe or not, whether you accept it or not.



If you want to promote and contribute to dishonesty, please stop posting.

As Pushka so rightly says he is saying the OP's observations are largely correct and reflect the experiences of many others..Observations are just that.To prove that those observations are deceptive you would basically have had to follow the OP on his trip.
Besides many of those observations I have noted myself which is why I no longer fly QFi.

 

[stm1sydney]

I've had bad experiences on QF.

I hope you have never described those bad experiences on a public forum, as such experiences are not representative and therefore may be false and deceptive...

 

[Kangol]

The point is, I'm not making the deceptive claim of "fairly representative or a typical experience".

If she had said that was her opinion based on extremely limited information, that would be different.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Just saying.

 

[Pushka]

The point is, I'm not making the deceptive claim of "fairly representative or a typical experience".

If she had said that was her opinion based on extremely limited information, that would be different.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Just saying.

Isn't that a given though?

 

[RichardMEL]

It's Seat2A who has flown 200 airlines. I sat next to him on a sadly too short SYD-ADL flight 18 months ago. A lovely chap.

So you were in 2C then?

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The headline here is the quote of "one of the worst airlines in the free world" - and I was thinking about this, and it occurs to me, even allowing for the fact that it's hyperbole, that to make a even semi-serious statement like this one surely needs to have flown most, if not all, the "airlines in the free world" - that's a LOT of airlines (ironically enough, LOT being one of them ). SFO777 is well travelled we know, but there's a challenge there

I think we all agree the experiences are about on average for QF, though the horrid state of the SYD J lounge seems an exception in general terms (I've had it clean and tidy in there mostly, and also seen/heard the vacuums getting a good workout over the years) and the so so food on the dom sectors sure.. most of it is average.. some is pretty great (ex-OOL usually a weird standout) and well the comfort of the 717 J class seats is a rather subjective situation.. I find them quite nice, specially compared to the old cloth coverings in the 737H's.

The thing is... it's easy for many of us to remember bad delays, rude FA's, inedible food or whatever on ANY airline (and yes, I've had delays and average food on EK, numberous US carriers, BA, NZ, LH and others I can think of off the top of my head) but how many of the absolutely boring dull on time flights do we just ignore (and I've many many on BA,NZ,LH, the US majors and yes QF). I reckon 95% of my QF, specially domestic, flights (which over the years go to the hundreds) have been batcrap boringly run with no issues. service more or less as expected and they get me there. As with many of the other world airlines.

It's normal to remember the bad far more than the mundane or even good and there's few excuses for the bad stuff we experience, even if an aircraft going U/S results in a sub of a 744 with other issues(given it wouldn't have been flying likely if not for the sub) and there's a reason QF is retiring them(so putting little into things like the IFE and such) but all of those things should NOT be our ooncern or interest as passengers. There's one thing to be said for the SQ's of this world who pretty constantly rejuvinate their fleets such that they're all pretty young(much like their FA's.. but that's a whole other discussion!) in that mechanical issues and poor IFE experiences and the like are far more rare when mostly you're on brand new 350's, 777's or the like. I mean they just retired out a 10 year old A380 in preference for new while QF is giving theirs a mid life spruice up. ...

I think ANY of us who fly the amounts most of us do, will have experienced poor on MANY airlines, and very good on most of them too(yes, even QF - it happens... rarely lol).

I think there IS poor out there, absolutely but for me.. on ALL carriers, there's way more of the mundane and "They got me where I paid to be within the schedule and fed and watered me in a reasonable way" experiences that are neither spectaculr or horrible. Let's try and remember that before tarring ANYONE with a very general brush.

 

[Pushka]

So you were in 2C then?

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The headline here is the quote of "one of the worst airlines in the free world" - and I was thinking about this, and it occurs to me, even allowing for the fact that it's hyperbole, that to make a even semi-serious statement like this one surely needs to have flown most, if not all, the "airlines in the free world" - that's a LOT of airlines (ironically enough, LOT being one of them ). SFO777 is well travelled we know, but there's a challenge there

I think we all agree the experiences are about on average for QF, though the horrid state of the SYD J lounge seems an exception in general terms (I've had it clean and tidy in there mostly, and also seen/heard the vacuums getting a good workout over the years) and the so so food on the dom sectors sure.. most of it is average.. some is pretty great (ex-OOL usually a weird standout) and well the comfort of the 717 J class seats is a rather subjective situation.. I find them quite nice, specially compared to the old cloth coverings in the 737H's.

The thing is... it's easy for many of us to remember bad delays, rude FA's, inedible food or whatever on ANY airline (and yes, I've had delays and average food on EK, numberous US carriers, BA, NZ, LH and others I can think of off the top of my head) but how many of the absolutely boring dull on time flights do we just ignore (and I've many many on BA,NZ,LH, the US majors and yes QF). I reckon 95% of my QF, specially domestic, flights (which over the years go to the hundreds) have been batcrap boringly run with no issues. service more or less as expected and they get me there. As with many of the other world airlines.

It's normal to remember the bad far more than the mundane or even good and there's few excuses for the bad stuff we experience, even if an aircraft going U/S results in a sub of a 744 with other issues(given it wouldn't have been flying likely if not for the sub) and there's a reason QF is retiring them(so putting little into things like the IFE and such) but all of those things should NOT be our ooncern or interest as passengers. There's one thing to be said for the SQ's of this world who pretty constantly rejuvinate their fleets such that they're all pretty young(much like their FA's.. but that's a whole other discussion!) in that mechanical issues and poor IFE experiences and the like are far more rare when mostly you're on brand new 350's, 777's or the like. I mean they just retired out a 10 year old A380 in preference for new while QF is giving theirs a mid life spruice up. ...

I think ANY of us who fly the amounts most of us do, will have experienced poor on MANY airlines, and very good on most of them too(yes, even QF - it happens... rarely lol).

I think there IS poor out there, absolutely but for me.. on ALL carriers, there's way more of the mundane and "They got me where I paid to be within the schedule and fed and watered me in a reasonable way" experiences that are neither spectaculr or horrible. Let's try and remember that before tarring ANYONE with a very general brush.

Well to be honest, we always flew Ansett and not Qantas until Ansett melted down. And that decision was based on levels of service. When we moved to Qantas the reduced service level was really obvious and now it’s a case of boiled frogs.

 

[RichardMEL]

Well to be honest, we always flew Ansett and not Qantas until Ansett melted down. And that decision was based on levels of service. When we moved to Qantas the reduced service level was really obvious and now it’s a case of boiled frogs.

I too was a hard core AN loyalist and despaired when NZ killed it(well Ables, NZ etc).. and QF declined because DJ was a low cost carrier thus their competition was really not in the same ballpark at the time. When VA became more of a Business airline and started to offer real competition they initially responded in a positive way, but again let the standards slip.

It's really the case with these kinds of duopolies ... with little competition there's little incentive to keep the standards high.

It's funny I was thinking about a flight I took on TN back in the 90's (well QF nee TN) in on eof those old A300B4's in Y MEL-SYD and the brekky was an omlet and it seems to me that near the same qualit of breakfast is what one would likely get in J on QF these days....

 

[GoldCanyon340]

So you were in 2C then?

Is there a row 2 on the 737? I haven't been that far back for some time.

 

[juddles]

No, not everyone and not every airline has "many failings". Unfortunately, to the extent that your "yes, they are cough but they are still my number one choice" is a wide spread attitude in Australia, why should a for profit airline like QF spend any money on making improvements? BA suffers from the same affliction. They make money despite a horrendously bad hard product, as many Brits and others swear by them and continue to buy and fly BA.

SFO, please let me yet again express that I like your presence here. It is great to hear fresh perspectives.

I wish to respond to a few things, but I hope at the outset that you understand none of what I write is an attack. I feel you also enjoy "lively discussion" - excellent!

First up, be careful of what you assume of posters. What do you really know about me? I know that I know SFA about you, except that you seem to be a frequent poster in some forum overseas.

I am a member of AFF - yes an "Australian" frequent flyer site, but I am not there - I was just born there. I inhabit mainly sth america. Qantas is my third most frequent program. I have absolutely no claim to being an expert of all the myriad airlines that ply the globe. But I have actually been to quite a few places....

I know and acknowledge that QF fails in some areas - I am a huge critic of some things. Compared to my other programs, for example, the cost of redeeming "free flights" on QF is obscene. Likewise Australia does not have the subservient philosophy of staff that makes many people desire other airlines and crew. I have had absolute shocker experiences on QF - truly dreadful flights, despite being in the QF absolute elite FF category.

But on the other side, I have had truly dreadful experiences in every other airline I have flown. Noone holds a perfect record with me.

This is all, of course, subjective. And in alignment with some others who have harped on a similar theme, it is unfair to judge an airline on a single or a couple fo flights. Yes, the carpet was disgusting in the photos you shared of the QF lounge. But I have been to said lounge many hundreds of times without the same experience.

I have been treated to the "best" AA lounges where the person serving me at the a la carte restaurant has bombarded me with their tales of woe (including on one occasion in JFK that their husband was murdered the previous week). Should I shamelessly cast my opinion on AA due to that spectacularly inappropriate encounter? Of course not.

I agree that QF does not have the best hard product (but again as a very tall person I sleep better on them than any other airline), and I agree with your comments about BA - I was truly stunned when I flew them a few times in first - felt like I was in the 80's.

Again and again, it gets down to individual preferences, of what it is you value on a specific flight. My bread and butter QF runs are between SCL and SYD - and although some staff are shiite, some service is sub-par, they meet my needs far better than the competition.

My most fantastic experiences of long-haul flight have always been on Emirates. But yet again, that is because of my specific desires. Getting pissed out of my brain with fellow J and F pax in the onboard bar that EK has is to me a great thing. Others would have a different feel.

It all comes down to individual likes. And despite many failings, I still like QF a lot. Other heavy-weight posters on here, like Flying Mermaid and Drron, disagree and have moved on to other airlines. Good on them. They are people I respect and admire. But we disagree, in a good natured way.

Again, I want your insight, you may even convince me of things. But careful if you feel you are wading into a small forum with "better" ideas. there will be many on here who dislike QF, and viceversa, but my gist of what you do is give sermons to non-frequent flyers. There are always fleas to delight.

 

[p--and--t]

Thanks Choosethedrew. I do agree with your assessment of BA as far worse. But at least BA adheres to Priority Boarding, allowing me to get to my phony Economy-seat-with-an-open-middle "Business Class" seat a lot faster and before the masses board.

Actually flew BA three times (International) in J in recent months. NBO-LHR, LHR-PRG, TXL-LHR

Not once was there Priority Boarding nor Priority Disembarkation.

Both getting on and off was a total free-for-all with a single Q for boarding and Y passengers elbowing their way thru in a hurry to get off as if there was a fire on board.