Qantas Points Club Discussion

From my experience as a PC+ member, the Maximum that will be rolled over is 100 SC
The 2nd year they only roll over "What you earned that year - to a maximum of 100"
Got 100 the first year and only 74 rolled the second, only expecting 36 to roll over on June 30
 
I had 139 status credits available and expected 100 of them to be rolled over.

What was the source of the 139 SC in your previous year? They weren't rolled over from 2020 were they?
 
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What was the source of the 139 SC in your previous year? They weren't rolled over from 2020 were they?
125 provided through status support and 14 earned from flying. The 14 were rolled over as part of Qantas' status support program. I have not found any discussion in the points club fine print as to the source of the status credits. Contrast this with Qantas's status support fine print which clearly distinguishes between earned and credits provided otherwise. When I read the initial status support fine print before the end of my membership year, it offered to roll over all earned status credits so I booked four award tickets each of four flights to accumulate 'points club' status credits. After that, the fine print was updated capping the number status credits that could be rolled over based on status level and I had to cancel the flights.
 
125 provided through status support and 14 earned from flying. The 14 were rolled over as part of Qantas' status support program. I have not found any discussion in the points club fine print as to the source of the status credits. Contrast this with Qantas's status support fine print which clearly distinguishes between earned and credits provided otherwise. When I read the initial status support fine print before the end of my membership year, it offered to roll over all earned status credits so I booked four award tickets each of four flights to accumulate 'points club' status credits. After that, the fine print was updated capping the number status credits that could be rolled over based on status level and I had to cancel the flights.
So you didn’t actually earn any SC in your current membership year?

The previously rolled over SC cannot roll over again, and status support SC are not eligible to roll over.
 
I earned 14 and they were rolled over through status support.

Where in the fine print does it say previously rolled over status credits cannot be rolled over again?
 
I earned 14 and they were rolled over through status support.

Where in the fine print does it say previously rolled over status credits cannot be rolled over again?
It does say only SC earned during the current membership year. Rolling over isn’t “earning”, they are a “gift”, (So status support received of 100SC or similar doesn’t roll over to the next year.)

Edit: Thank you @HappyFlyerFamily for posting the relevant terms.
 
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when did your year end @amorphous ? If you earned 14 last year, my understanding is you may have some roll over due to status support (I'm expecting up to 250 due to being gold when my year rolls over later this year). As far as I know, both the 250 from status support, plus the 100 from points club plus, should roll over seperately.

Also, did you earn PC+ last year or a year before?
 
31 January. I'm only silver. I earned SC+ during the membership year ending 31/1/22. Indeed, qantas rolled over the 14 point for status support. The points were earned taking a flight CBR SYD return to activate status support and and retain my silver status. I agree with your reading of the fine print. Status support and points club plus rollovers both apply concurrently.
 
31 January. I'm only silver. I earned SC+ during the membership year ending 31/1/22. Indeed, qantas rolled over the 14 point for status support. The points were earned taking a flight CBR SYD return to activate status support and and retain my silver status. I agree with your reading of the fine print. Status support and points club plus rollovers both apply concurrently.
Interesting. I think you have a case to at least get another 14 rolled over due to PC+; indeed it would be worrying if we see reports of both not being awarded.
 
I've already got the 14 credits rolled over via status support. I still do not see any fine print that says points club plus status credit rollovers have to be "earned" points. It seems to me that people are adding some sort of north american protestant vibe to qantas' published terms and conditions. I don't understand.
 
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I've already got the 14 credits rolled over via status support. I still do not see any fine print that says points club plus status credit rollovers have to be "earned" points. It seems to me that people are adding some sort of north american protestant vibe to qantas' published terms and conditions. I don't understand.
As great as a perpetual rollover would be, if we are going off their T&Cs here, and remembering that Qantas T&Cs have always been problematic:

^ A maximum of 100 Status Credits will roll over to Points Club Plus members’ next Membership Year. Status Credits that are rolled over will contribute to attaining or retaining a member’s tier status, except for attaining or retaining Platinum One status.

They state that the points will roll into the next status year (not subsequent years), promise you only a maximum of 100 SCs and no minimum, and claim only that they contribute to attaining or retaining some status.

What isn't there can't be more important than what is, it is entirely vague but I can't see how it could be claimed these T&Cs commit QF to perpetual rollover any more than they commit QF to not roll over any SCs at all.
 
Not T&C but an example from Qantas website


Which Status Credits count towards the rollover?

Status Credits earned through flying or with our partners on the ground will count towards the rollover. Status Credits provided by Qantas as a bonus, support or gift will not count towards the rollover. For example:

A Platinum member with a 31 August 2022 status expiry. In their Membership Year of September 2021 and 31 August 2022, the member earned a total of 1,045 Status Credits. Of these Status Credits, 145 are eligible for the rollover based on the table below.

Status Credit ActivityStatus Credit amountEligibility for rollover
Status Credit Boost+600Not eligible for rollover
Status Credit Support+300Not eligible for rollover
Status Credits from new credit card+75Eligible for rollover
Status Credits from signing up with BP+10Eligible for rollover
Status Credits from flying+60Eligible for rollover
Total Status Credits1045
Total Status Credits eligible for rollover145
 
The example in the previous post relates to to status support, not points club plus so its simply not relevant to the discussion. Different terms and conditions.

Points club plus talks about status credits. I disagree that the words are vague. Any status credits in your account work for the words in the qantas statement of terms and conditions for points club plus. Whatever we might think, the words are all that should matter in the terms and conditions. If qantas wants not to roll over status credits perpetually then they can change the terms and conditions. They haven't done that and it is hardly qantas customers roll to make allowances for Qantas' possible loose wording. On the other hand Qantas has all the power and they cannot be practically called to account if their behaviour is at odds with published terms and conditions.

What I cannot understand is why people try so hard justify the indefensible.
 
I was reading this discussion thread history and eg there was some discussion whether the Point Club Plus 100SC rollover would be surplus SC. An AFF article inferred surplus SC. But reading the Points Club webpage, its not specified which/what type of SC gets rolled over.

When Points Club was introduced in March 2020 (noting in development since June 2019), there was no such thing as Status Credit Boost (perhaps introduced in July 2020?) and Status Credit Support (perhaps introduced in August 2021?) - so earned SC was the only type of known SC. And the legal team at Qantas seem to not really acknowledge that there is a new type of SC being the Points Club 100SC rollover that would be occurring in the near future.

It is the current situation that Point Club SC rollover doesn't specify "eligible" types of SC but Status Support rollover does specify "eligible" types of SC. So its likely to be now a "legal team" oversight that updating their Points Club T&C hasn't occurred with 2 years of operation of the Points Club program (or when the "new" types of SC were introduced in July 2020 and August 2021).
 
Not sure how this affects things but Status Credit is defined in the QFF program T&C - its too dense for me (as well as too late in the day) to appreciate


2. Definitions​

2.1 In these Terms and Conditions unless the context otherwise requires:

...

'Status Credits' are credits which are awarded to Members in accordance with clause 20 and which entitle Members to attain a higher Membership tier or retain a current Membership tier;

...

(The whole of clause 20 for those interested)

20. Membership tiers, Status Credits and Benefits​

20.1 Membership tiers​

20.1.1 There are five Membership tiers in Qantas Frequent Flyer. The entry tier is Bronze. Members may progress to the higher tiers - Silver, Gold, Platinum and Platinum One - by earning Status Credits.
20.1.2 Status Credits are earned for paid travel or Points Plus Pay - Flights (excluding Classic Flight Reward flights other than for Members in the Points Club Program at time of the flight) on certain regular scheduled flights and fares of Qantas, oneworld Alliance Airlines, Fiji Airways, Jetstar Airlines, QantasLink, and any other airlines as determined by Qantas Loyalty from time to time. Refer to the Airline Earning Tables on qantas.com.
20.1.3 Status Credits are not earned for travel on:
(a) certain oneworld Alliance Airline and Airline Partner fare types and routes not listed in or that are excluded in the Airline Earning Tables (see the Airline Earning Tables for details);
(b) infant fares (infant fares do not include infants travelling in their own paid seat);
(c) charter flights;
(d) freighter flights;
(e) free tickets;
(f) Classic Flight Reward flights (other than for Members in the Points Club Program at time of the flight);
(g) travel industry rebated tickets;
(h) competition prize tickets;
(i) tickets acquired at an auction; or
(j) tickets which are restricted from earning Status Credits or are subject to any specific provisions excluding the accumulation of Status Credits.
20.1.4 The number of Status Credits required to attain and retain Silver, Gold, Platinum and Platinum One tiers are published at qantas.com.
20.1.5 The travel required in each Membership Year to attain or retain Silver, Gold, Platinum and Platinum One tier must include a minimum of four Eligible Flight Segments where Qantas, QantasLink or a Jetstar Airline is the Marketing Carrier. Classic Flight Rewards do not count towards the four required Eligible Flight Segments.
20.1.6 Membership tiers are valid for a minimum of one year. For example, if a Member has a Membership Year ending 31 December 2020 and that Member qualifies for a higher Membership tier in June 2020, that Member will remain entitled to the applicable higher tier benefits until 31 December 2021.
20.1.7 Complimentary Qantas Club membership for the period a Member maintains Gold, Platinum and Platinum One tier is provided subject to the Qantas Club terms and conditions.
20.1.8 It is the responsibility of the Member to check whether a proposed booking is eligible to earn Status Credits and if so how many Status Credits will be earned.
20.1.9 Unless otherwise specified by Qantas, Membership tiers, Status Credits and Points Club Program levels do not apply to Qantas Business Rewards Membership Accounts.

20.2 Lifetime recognition​

20.2.1 Lifetime recognition may be awarded to Members who achieve certain specified coughulative Status Credit levels. For Members who joined Qantas Frequent Flyer prior to 1 September 1998, their coughulative Status Credit total will include all tier credits or Status Credits earned from 1 September 1998. For Members who joined Qantas Frequent Flyer after 1 September 1998, their coughulative Status Credit total will date from their date of joining.

20.3 Additional benefits​

20.3.1 Qantas Loyalty may offer additional benefits from time to time based on Membership tier. Details of any such benefits or selection and any additional terms and conditions applicable are provided at qantas.com.

20.4 Platinum Bonus Reward​

20.4.1 A Platinum or Platinum One Member may be offered the opportunity to choose one of a selection of benefits (as determined and offered by Qantas Loyalty) when the Member first reaches 2,400 Status Credits earned from flights with a Qantas (QF) flight number (including partner airline flights with a Qantas (QF) flight number) or on flights with a Jetstar Airlines (JQ, 3K, GK and BL - for travel on BL until 28 July 2020) flight number (including partner airline flights with a Jetstar Airlines flight number) within a single Membership Year. Status Credits earned from other partner airlines, non-flying offers and from Status Credit bonus earn promotions and Loyalty Bonus do not contribute towards the Platinum Bonus Reward. Details of any such benefit or selection and any additional terms and conditions applicable are provided at qantas.com/platinum. Any offer made under this clause will expire 90 days after the date the Platinum Bonus Reward is achieved. Retrospective claims cannot be made once the offer has expired.
20.4.2 A Platinum or Platinum One Member may be offered Complimentary Gold Membership on the following conditions:
(a) Each Member may have only one nominated family member or friend per Membership Year. Retention of Complimentary Gold Membership in subsequent Membership Years will require the Member to accrue 2,400 Status Credits earned from flights with a Qantas (QF) flight number (including partner airline flights with a Qantas (QF) flight number) or on flights with a Jetstar Airlines (JQ, 3K, GK and BL - for travel on BL until 28 July 2020) flight number (including partner airline flights with a Jetstar Airlines flight number) within a single Membership Year and select the Complimentary Gold Membership option in each subsequent Membership Year. The Complimentary Gold Membership Year will be calculated as 12 months from the date of the nomination by the primary Platinum or Platinum One Member extended to the Frequent Flyer Membership expiry date of the Gold Member;
(b) If the family member or friend is not nominated for Complimentary Gold Membership (or the Member does not qualify for the benefit under clause 20.4.1) in the subsequent Membership Year, then the Complimentary Gold Member will be subject to normal Gold tier qualifying criteria;
(c) Once a Member has nominated a Complimentary Gold Membership to a family member or friend, an alternative cannot be chosen within that Membership Year.
20.4.3 When Members choose to receive Qantas Points as their Platinum Bonus Reward, those points will not count towards attaining or retaining Points Club or Points Club Plus, or unlocking the Points Club Milestone Bonus Reward.

20.5 Platinum One additional benefits​

20.5.1 A Platinum One Member may be offered the opportunity to nominate a family member or friend to receive Complimentary Platinum Membership on the following conditions:
(a) Platinum One Members who have more than one month remaining on their existing Membership Year (and who have not already nominated a family member or friend in the existing Membership Year), can nominate a family member or friend to receive Platinum Membership. Platinum One Members may only nominate one person per Membership Year. Retention of Complimentary Platinum Membership in subsequent Membership Years will require the Platinum One Member to earn at least 3,600 Status Credits (with at least 2,700 on Qantas marketed flights, i.e. flights with a Qantas (QF) flight number on the ticket);
(b) the Complimentary Platinum Membership Year will be aligned with that of the primary Platinum One Member;
(c) Platinum One Members can request to have their nominated person removed at any time, however, they may need to wait to nominate a new person for Platinum Status. If Platinum One Members have earned the required Status Credits to retain Platinum One Membership, they can change their nominated person two months prior to the end of their existing Membership Year or any time in their new Platinum One Membership Year, provided the Member has not added or made any previous change to the nominated person in that new Membership Year. A nominated person's Platinum Membership will automatically be extended once the Platinum One Member has reached the required Status Credits to retain Platinum One Membership;
(d) unless a nominated person is removed, they will receive Platinum Membership for as long as the Platinum One Member retains the status. Once the nominated person is removed or the Platinum One Member does not retain Platinum One Membership, the nominated person's status will be reassessed at the end of their current Membership Year, and their Membership status will be adjusted accordingly.

20.6 Platinum One Member additional benefits​

20.6.1 Platinum One Members will have fees waived for the following servicing and support under the following conditions:
(a) Reward Assistance Fees and Booking Fee will be waived for Platinum One Members when booking Reward flights, Classic Upgrade Rewards using their Qantas Points and commercial bookings paid with cash when booking through Qantas Contact Centres. To be eligible for the commercial Booking Fee waiver, the new booking must have at least one Qantas (QF) flight number and at least one Platinum One Member travelling in the booking or in another booking on the same flight(s) when making a new booking for family members. The commercial Booking Fee waiver applies for all passengers in the booking. Other fees, including change fees, will continue to apply;
(b) the Service Fee for Family Transfers will be waived for any Family Transfer either into or out of the Platinum One Member's Frequent Flyer account.
20.6.2 Platinum One Members travelling on Qantas Domestic flexible fares can on the day of travel request to be moved to the next available flight without paying any applicable fare difference under the following conditions:
(a) Must be travelling on a Qantas domestic flight on a Flex fare (booked in classes B, H, K, M, Y, J or C);
(b) Changes can only be made at a Qantas airport lounge or Qantas Service Desk for flights departing on same day and same routing as the original flight and are subject to same cabin availability;
(c) Changes can only be made for single sectors departing from the airport where the request is made;
(d) Standard check-in and flight closure times apply.
20.6.3 If a Platinum One Member earns 5,000 Status Credits on flights with a Qantas (QF) flight number (including partner airline flights with a Qantas (QF) flight number) or on flights with a Jetstar Airlines (JQ, 3K, GK and BL - for travel on BL until 28 July 2020) flight number (including partner airline flights with a Jetstar Airlines flight number) within a single Membership Year, they will receive a bonus of 75,000 Qantas Points. A further 100,000 Qantas Points will also be awarded when the Platinum One Member earns 7,000 Status Credits flights with a Qantas (QF) flight number (including partner airline flights with a Qantas (QF) flight number) or on flights with a Jetstar Airlines (JQ, 3K, GK and BL - for travel on BL until 28 July 2020) flight number (including partner airline flights with a Jetstar Airlines flight number) within a single Membership Year. Status Credits earned from other eligible flights with partner airlines and from Status Credit bonus earn promotions do not count towards these points bonuses. Bonus Qantas Points will appear in the Platinum One Member's account within two business days of achieving the required threshold.
20.6.4 Any Platinum One bonus reward Qantas Points, awarded at 5,000 and 7,000 Status Credits earned within a Membership Year, will not count towards attaining or retaining Points Club or Points Club Plus, or unlocking the Points Club Milestone Bonus Reward.

20.7 Priority Economy Class Seat Purchase​

20.7.1 Priority Economy Class Seat Purchase is available to Platinum One and Platinum Members under the following conditions:
(a) the Member must hold or purchase a ticket in the nominated fare type for domestic (Fully Flexible fares in Y or B class) or international travel (full Economy in Y class or the highest excursion fares in Y, B or H class) on a Qantas operated service with a Qantas flight number (excluding non-jet QantasLink services);
(b) a maximum of two seats per request is permitted - one of which must be for the use of the Member, and the other for a person travelling with the Member on a paid ticket;
(c) the booking or request must be made no later than midday (local time in the city of departure) on the day prior to the scheduled departure;
(d) Qantas Loyalty may occasionally have to restrict this facility without prior notice on some routes or under special circumstances;
(e) normal check-in times and conditions apply; and
(f) this service does not apply to Reward Flights.

20.8 Loyalty Bonus​

20.8.1 Members will be rewarded a choice of Loyalty Bonus of either 8,000 Qantas Points or 50 Status Credits for every 500 Status Credits earned on flights with a Qantas (QF) flight number (including partner airline flights with a Qantas (QF) flight number) or on flights with a Jetstar Airlines (JQ, 3K, GK and BL - for travel on BL until 28 July 2020) flight number (including partner airline flights with a Jetstar Airlines flight number) within a single membership year - up to a maximum of four Loyalty Bonuses per membership year. See the Airline Earning Tables for eligible flights and fares that earn Status Credits.
20.8.2 Members must select their choice of Loyalty Bonus within 90 days from the date the Loyalty Bonus is achieved.
20.8.3 When Members choose to receive Loyalty Bonus Status Credits, those Status Credits will count towards attaining or retaining Silver, Gold, and Platinum, and attaining Lifetime Silver, Gold and Platinum. For Platinum One attain and retain::
- When chosen before 14 July 2020, Loyalty Bonus Status Credits will not count towards attaining or retaining Platinum One;
- When chosen between 14 July 2020 and 31 December 2021, Loyalty Bonus Status Credits will count towards attaining and retaining Platinum One;
- When chosen after 31 December 2021, Loyalty Bonus Status Credits will not count towards attaining or retaining Platinum One.
At any time Loyalty Bonus Status Credits will not count towards the next Loyalty Bonus, the Platinum Bonus Reward or other Platinum One additional benefits.
20.8.4 Status Credit balances relating to the calculation of the Loyalty Bonus will be adjusted to recognise only those earned within the Member's current Membership Year. Status Credits earned in previous Membership Years will not be recognised in the calculation of the Loyalty Bonus.
20.8.5 The calculation of Status Credits for the purposes of the Loyalty Bonus under this clause 20.8 does not impact the Status Credits which go towards tier retention.
20.8.6 When Members choose to receive Loyalty Bonus Qantas Points, those points will not count towards attaining or retaining Points Club or Points Club Plus or unlocking the Points Club Milestone Bonus Reward.

20.9 Classic Flight Reward seat allocation​

20.9.1 Qantas Loyalty may at its discretion provide certain Members with additional allocations of or preferential access to selected Classic Flight Reward seats on Qantas operated flights when available.
 
I'm not sure how the previous post relates to this discussion.

In the end a status credit is a status credit. They do not come in a range of designer colours.

Last time I looked, the status support terms and conditions specifically stated that the status support rollover was additional the the points club rollover.
 
I'm not sure how the previous post relates to this discussion.

In the end a status credit is a status credit. They do not come in a range of designer colours.

Last time I looked, the status support terms and conditions specifically stated that the status support rollover was additional the the points club rollover.
That's right

I‘m a Qantas Points Club Plus member, will this rollover impact the Status Credit rollover I am eligible for from Points Club?
No. Points Club Plus members who already receive a Status Credit rollover will receive this rollover in addition.

So maybe Points Club rollover hasn't posted yet???

In the history of this thread someone's PC rollover posted 1.5 months after the time "due". Also in another thread I did just note someones DSC posted 3 months after the flight.
 
I'm not sure how the previous post relates to this discussion.

In the end a status credit is a status credit. They do not come in a range of designer colours.

(snip)
If you are referring to post 556, let me highlight the important words for consideration.

I was reading this discussion thread history and eg there was some discussion whether the Point Club Plus 100SC rollover would be surplus SC. An AFF article inferred surplus SC. But reading the Points Club webpage, its not specified which/what type of SC gets rolled over.

When Points Club was introduced in March 2020 (noting in development since June 2019), there was no such thing as Status Credit Boost (perhaps introduced in July 2020?) and Status Credit Support (perhaps introduced in August 2021?) - so earned SC was the only type of known SC. And the legal team at Qantas seem to not really acknowledge that there is a new type of SC being the Points Club 100SC rollover that would be occurring in the near future.

It is the current situation that Point Club SC rollover doesn't specify "eligible" types of SC but Status Support rollover does specify "eligible" types of SC. So its likely to be now a "legal team" oversight that updating their Points Club T&C hasn't occurred with 2 years of operation of the Points Club program (or when the "new" types of SC were introduced in July 2020 and August 2021).
In other words if there is only one known type of SC (being earned SC) when the program was introduced, there is no real need to define what is eligible and what is ineligible for rollover under Points Club.

I think you do have a reasonable claim as I doubt anyone at Qantas could work out the head and tail of it all (or work through the history) - so just a matter of finding someone willing to escalate the matter to someone with enough power to manually credit the SC into your account.
 

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