I totally agree but fear that Qantas will not deliver. Even in J, dine on demand would be the killer argument to go on such a long flight. I just don't see it- meals haven't been Qantas' strength for quite some time now if you ask me.
Seemed like it wouldn't have been so bad if the ex US catering hadn't been so cruddy, even if there were still set meal times.
) but some do, and these are all elements of a "true" F experience. QF just isn't at that level of almost over the top levels of service that you get in say the SQ suites, EY F, QR F, EK F etc (and even QR J with certain elements) ).
Yes QF will never match but for $15000 they really should try a bit harder. But they really only cater for FF redemptions I suggest.I think we all know QF will NEVER come close to the levels of service, but specially the soft product, offered by the likes of QR and SQ. They just won't. That's not to be anti QF so much as to express that QF has always been in a second tier when it comes to premium travel in F and J (but above quite a few others, such as the US majors). It's just the way it is. Krug or Dom on QF? doubt it. The levels of options or even REAL book the cook type options as on SQ? Doubt it. The sheer variety of wine, spirits, tea, coffes etc... nope. A full caviar course with all the trappings in mini F? I'll win the lottery first. Now not everyone cares about such things (a bit like doors
I really have enjoyed QF service, specially in F, but also in J, on many intl routes. It's closer to NZ cultural wise with a friendly, relaxed, "Australian" type vibe most of the time and it's a level that suits me compared to some carriers where there's a lot of bowing and scaping - no, I may be in F, but I am not the King of Siam. I just know what to expect from QF. Just as I expect even less from the likes of United on transpac (let alone domestic
And for me it's about tempering expectations - not so much accepting of poor standards or whatever but of what I'm happy with for what I pay ($$ or points) to achieve a goal or get to where I want but understanding that QF will never be SQ - but nor do I think it ever aims to be SQ, EK or QR.
While interesting concept, I don’t think I could cope with 20 hrs straight on one flight, even in F. A stop with rest and a nice meal and a walk seems more sensible to me. We’ve done BNE DXB SEA in EKF and that was two 12-14 hr flights. It was ok but enough.
I think we all know QF will NEVER come close to the levels of service, but specially the soft product, offered by the likes of QR and SQ. They just won't. That's not to be anti QF so much as to express that QF has always been in a second tier when it comes to premium travel in F and J (but above quite a few others, such as the US majors). It's just the way it is. Krug or Dom on QF? doubt it. The levels of options or even REAL book the cook type options as on SQ? Doubt it. The sheer variety of wine, spirits, tea, coffes etc... nope. A full caviar course with all the trappings in mini F? I'll win the lottery first. Now not everyone cares about such things (a bit like doors
I really have enjoyed QF service, specially in F, but also in J, on many intl routes. It's closer to NZ cultural wise with a friendly, relaxed, "Australian" type vibe most of the time and it's a level that suits me compared to some carriers where there's a lot of bowing and scaping - no, I may be in F, but I am not the King of Siam. I just know what to expect from QF. Just as I expect even less from the likes of United on transpac (let alone domestic
And for me it's about tempering expectations - not so much accepting of poor standards or whatever but of what I'm happy with for what I pay ($$ or points) to achieve a goal or get to where I want but understanding that QF will never be SQ - but nor do I think it ever aims to be SQ, EK or QR.
), but First should be First class in every respect. If not, call it Premium Business Class (which many have).This is actually what excites me the most about Project Sunrise. It will encourage QR, SQ, EK, etc to increase the quality of their product offers and/or reduce their prices to encourage people away from QF's offering. At the moment, QF can't really offer East Coast travellers a lot more than QR, SQ, EK given all are one stop. Once QF can offer a true point of difference (non-stop), the others will be pushed to compete harder for premium passengers out of East Coast ports.
Main QR complaint is that they were swapping out the QSuites a bit too regularly for my liking. Their 1/2/1 A350 config was OK, but the 2/2/2 sucked big oceans.
No - making it a room.
True that! that definition then really only leaves Etihad, doesn't it?
Yes - yum. Lets hope for that.
Or I guess the QR Q-suites when booked as a group.
Just like home in Tasmania I suppose!Or SQ when they invite you to occupy more than one 'room' - one for sleeping, the other for sitting.
I don't think they've ever stopped.
Which begs the question. Joyce and the bean counters clearly see a reason to offer an F product on these aircraft. I doubt it's just that old school, legacy flag carrier reason of "Our best product goes to London and NY" that had been a thing for many carriers in the past but I truly believe has most definitely seen its heyday. So that means they project there will be actual paid demand for these seats. Celebs? high profile bankers and top level CEOS? They must see that "must get there ASAP comfort" as having a market. Not a huge one (6 seats) but still a market that, for example, SQ has not seen with its SIN-EWR flights (though to be fair, probably a different sort of demographic there).
My view is that it will prompt these carriers to worry a bit because their Australia to hub flights are often the ones most in demand. We all know how you can save huge amounts of cash and find huge amounts more reward availability by starting your trips to LHR/JFK from our nearby neighbours (Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, etc).
So, I wonder if there'll be any crazy Brits or Americans who are going to fly LHR-JFK the long way round
