Qantas Project Sunrise goes ahead, 12 new A350-1000s ordered

[justinbrett]

This issue could easily be fixed by removing the QF 787 from HNL services. I find HNL as an insignificant and irrelevant destination for such a premium aircraft - should stick to JQ and the QF A330s.

You might find that but you're obviously incorrect since QF has made the change at a cost to other services.

IME J sells very well on this route and it's not uncommon for it to be J0 a week out, even in the off seasons, and even if there's lots of Y seats available.

The other bonus is it's a very efficient use of an aircraft - it can do the return SYD-HNL mission including both turnarounds in 24 hours, meaning the same aircraft can keep bouncing between the airports with very little idle time, unlike a lot of other 787 routes.

 

[RSVKanga]

SYD - ORD / DCA

There is no way SYD-DCA will be economically viable…

 

[jase05]

QF is still a very disadvantaged airline when it comes to the AU-UK corridor and almost non-existent in the AU-EU corridor, hopefully Project Sunrise, improved relations with PER and the Government keeping QR at bay will increase the frequency, availability and number of destinations for QF in EU/UK over the next three years.

How many European ports do you honestly see QF serving directly?
At absolute max I think 5-6 and probably mostly out of SYD and maybe only twice or three weekly’s. Maybe some will be seasonal?

 

[MooTime]

The point isnt that data is foolproof. But I would say however it is much more statically likely that the data they have is better than our armchair deliberations on whether a route will succeed or fail based on anecdotal feelings.

Well you made it sound like QF data was is the be all etc couldn't fail.

Mind you I see some armchair comments here on AFF that would def seem to trump some of the previous board decisions (with all their data).

 

[Himeno]

There is no way SYD-DCA will be economically viable…

Even if it was, the US wouldn't let QF land at DCA anyway. They'd have to go to IAD or BWI.

 

[RSVKanga]

How many European ports do you honestly see QF serving directly?

Well LHR, CDG and FCO are already existing and the addition of regular services to FRA and AMS will be welcome and realistic by the end of this decade. FRA and AMS services don’t have to be nonstop from the east coast; they could and should stop in PER like what the FCO and CDG services do. After all PER was always intended to be QF’s port for multiple nonstop European routes.

Apart from LHR, CDG, FCO, FRA and AMS I can’t see any other QF ports in Europe.

 

[SYD]

Well LHR, CDG and FCO are already existing and the addition of regular services to FRA and AMS will be welcome and realistic by the end of this decade. FRA and AMS services don’t have to be nonstop from the east coast; they could and should stop in PER like what the FCO and CDG services do. After all PER was always intended to be QF’s port for multiple nonstop European routes.

Apart from LHR, CDG, FCO, FRA and AMS I can’t see any other QF ports in Europe.

MEL-ATH…

BER?

 

[jrfsp]

I see ATH before AMS.

 

[jase05]

Well LHR, CDG and FCO are already existing and the addition of regular services to FRA and AMS will be welcome and realistic by the end of this decade. FRA and AMS services don’t have to be nonstop from the east coast; they could and should stop in PER like what the FCO and CDG services do. After all PER was always intended to be QF’s port for multiple nonstop European routes.

Apart from LHR, CDG, FCO, FRA and AMS I can’t see any other QF ports in Europe.

Doesn’t that defeat the purpose?
Those European ports should be direct from MEL or SYD only with PER only getting maybe 1-2 destinations max.
I for one can definitely say I will never go via PER to catch one of these flights as it doesn’t interest me in the slightest

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MEL-ATH…

BER?

They haven’t got unlimited aircraft though have they.
MEL-ATH perhaps but I’d think they would choose FRA over BER, can’t see both German ports being in play. I’m not sure on AMS either

 

[RSVKanga]

PER only getting maybe 1-2 destinations max.

Currently PER gets 3 European destinations - are you suggesting it should go backwards at the expense of Project Sunrise?

 

[SYD]

Currently PER gets 3 European destinations - are you suggesting it should go backwards at the expense of Project Sunrise?

That would be one legit scenario.

 

[elanshin]

Currently PER gets 3 European destinations - are you suggesting it should go backwards at the expense of Project Sunrise?

Yes once Sunrise is properly off the ground beyond LHR / JFK.

If they had unlimited aircraft sure. But until such time redeploying 787s onto other routes it's more suited to can be more profitable.

 

[jrfsp]

Other than LHR, Europe is highly seasonal for AU pax, will be interesting to see how CDG goes in northern winter. Certainly scope for seasonal routes, year round not convinced the yield is there is make it work

 

[dajop]

I'd be shocked if ATH was in consideration. SQ have let it lapse to Scoot, obviosuly not enough premium traffic, and not a destination the likes of TG or CX have ever made work.

The other city that would have to be more likely than ATH (but still unlikely) could be ZRH. Lots of money there.

 

[RooFlyer]

I'd be shocked if ATH was in consideration. SQ have let it lapse to Scoot, obviosuly not enough premium traffic, and not a destination the likes of TG or CX have ever made work.

There is the significant Greek-heritage population here to put into the equation.

The LHR issue is slot based. Qantas has 4 slot pairs at LHR, 2 of which are currently leased to BA. Without advising BA that they need those slots back, and waiting for BA to release them back with the next seasonal schedule change, QF is limited to 2 LHR slots.

Thank you for reminding us of that. So QF is effectively self-restricting to London.

 

[RSVKanga]

SQ have let it lapse to Scoot

Was about to say. Predominantly a leisure market. Corporate traffic, and hence premium demand, is practically non-existent.

ATH could be possible and economical with JQ instead. JQ’s 787s, once upgraded and range extended, will be well equiped to compete with Scoot on MEL-SIN-ATH.

 

[Must...Fly!]

MEL-ATH might've worked before TK showed up, now they can slaughter QF if they try to compete even with the double stop.

It's not a premium destination.

 

[jase05]

Currently PER gets 3 European destinations - are you suggesting it should go backwards at the expense of Project Sunrise?

I’m suggesting that perhaps keep PER-LHR only and have all other direct flights to Europe from SYD and MEL.

 

[wandering_fred]

Since the subject of PER-LAX cane up earlier, it would be a perfect route for the A321-XLR
PER-CNS 2133 miles
CNS-HNL 4634 miles
HNL-LAX 2556 miles
Why fly direct when you can connect (while wandering)
Especially if the Queensland government will help with the landing fees in CNS
Fred
Yes I did fly HNL-CNS in 1987.

 

[RSVKanga]

PER-CNS 2133 miles
CNS-HNL 4634 miles
HNL-LAX 2556 miles

One would also wonder whether CNS-LAX nonstop could be viable on JQ’s 787s once they have cabins upgraded and range extended….JQ talked about the possibility of flights to the US mainland when making that announcement about 787 upgrades last year