Qantas Project Sunrise goes ahead, 12 new A350-1000s ordered

[JohnK]

Not sure why you talking about going to Perth and project Sunrise in same post.

With Sunrise you don't need to go to Perth, but depart direct non stop from Melbourne, Sydney......

Most of the recent discussion has been PER this and PER that.

I'm not interested in a non-stop SYD to anywhere in Europe and LAX is the furthest I'd go non-stop to the USA. Clearly I'm not the target market.

 

[DC3]

Clearly I'm not the target market.

At least we are able to recognise that.

 

[drron]

Hang on, don't you have a bizzare "policy" of not flying Qantas International which has been in place for 14 years according to you? So this QF flight you're talking about is from at the latest 2009 or 2010 if I am correct

I stopped flying from BNE to NRT in 2010 as JAL stopped flying from BNE. So my QF flight to NRT was early December 2010 so would have been from SYD. After that we Flew a couple of times on JAL from SYD. More recently we get to Japan via SIN. Business class on SQ is usually less on SQ from BNE to NRT than QF BNE to HND .
I think it was about 5 years ago we started using the BA fare SYD to BKK and basically get a circle Asia fare with the SYD-SIN-SYD sectors in F the rest in J cheaper than a QF circle Asia in J.

I’m not sure why I needed to reply to you with your childish laugh emoji to all my posts. <your posts in this context lack credibility>

 

[DC3]

… post meal, asked which one I was drinking for a refill and then poured the wrong one

Poured the white instead of the red?

 

[justinbrett]

There’s a lot of talk on here about LHR and hardly any about JFK.

Don’t hear too many people here defending the LAX transfer.

 

[Lynda2475]

I'd always choose JFK, ORD or DFW over LAX, loathe LA.

 

[SYD]

I'd always choose JFK, ORD or DFW over LAX, loathe LA.

It’s improved but it can be a bit of a diode. Easy to pass through from domestic US to the real world, but varying degrees of resistance inbound.

 

[RSVKanga]

There’s a lot of talk on here about LHR and hardly any about JFK

I think that’s because the US overall is a walk in the park for QF as they have the largest number of routes and destinations in the overall Australia-US corridor; more than DL and UA combined. QF clearly have the upper hand.

I think lot of people here are being over sceptical and pessimistic about the European part of Sunrise due to the argument of supposed “superiority” of Asian/ME carriers and their stopovers, and hence Sunrise won’t be successful? I think those people need to go back to the moment in 2018 when the pro-stopover doom and gloom was demolished after PER-LHR was revealed to be the most profitable international route in QF’s history, and continues to be to this date. I have no doubt that Sunrise planes will follow the lead of PER nonstops and be full, and will eventually become the standard way to travel between Australia and Europe.

 

[drron]

We usually flew to JFK with JAL ex BNE to 2010 then ex Syd. From BNE the JAL flight left BNE 1 hour after the QF flight to LAX. Then the JAL flight got into JFK 1 hour before the QF flight from LAX.
Also helped that JAL return J fares to JFK were half that of QF and every couple of years they had a 2 for 1 offers for over 60s.

 

[jase05]

become the standard way to travel between Australia and Europe

With QF having a whole 5 flights a day?
There is room for both Sunrise and others to thrive.
If stopovers are dead as you say why is QF still going to run SIN?

 

[RSVKanga]

If stopovers are dead as you say why is QF still going to run SIN?

I’d imagine SYD-SYD-LHR would become a revenue-oriented stopover service on a standard A350 rather than a fuel-oriented “necessity” stopover service, similar to how EK flies its daily DXB-SIN-MEL service alongside its multiple daily DXB-MEL nonstops.

 

[jase05]

I’d imagine SYD-SYD-LHR would become a revenue-oriented stopover service on a standard A350 rather than a fuel-oriented “necessity” stopover service, similar to how EK flies its daily DXB-SIN-MEL service alongside its multiple daily DXB-MEL nonstops.

But stopovers are going to die, everybody will fly direct you keep saying. Seems pointless to keep flying the route

 

[SYD]

With QF having a whole 5 flights a day?

…on QF metal. Plenty more QF codes flying out via multiple ports. As a business, those JVs and codeshares are all part of the bigger commercial picture. But I imagine there are Execs wringing their hands that the new QFi aircraft will arrive when fares normalised and they’ve not been able to make an even bigger motza on the current fares being charged by ALL airlines ex Oz.

If stopovers are dead as you say why is QF still going to run SIN?

There’s more demand than seats available on sunrise aircraft?

 

[DC3]

And this thread started out so well

 

[RSVKanga]

But stopovers are going to die, everybody will fly direct you keep saying. Seems pointless to keep flying the route

I don’t expect Qantas’ PER/SIN stopover strategies to “die” as a result of Sunrise.

What I expect will decline is people choosing to fly foreign airlines through those stopovers (hubs) for travel to major European cities. I’ve mentioned this earlier in the thread:

I expect SYD-SIN-LHR to remain, probably on a standard A350, but it could be repositioned purely into a revenue service tapping into the Asian market, similar EK's DXB-SIN-MEL service, as opposed to a fuel stop. And as other people have pointed out, PER is also likely to remain as it's similar to Australians visiting California (business, tourist and transit destination) before travelling to the eastern USA, fundamentally different to a transit-oriented stopover in a different country. So it's all in Qantas' favour I think.

Adding to that, Qantas have a major investment in the PER “Western Hub” mega terminal project, and as for SIN it’s their largest destination by capacity outside Australia, and there is also their Jetstar Asia network that the SIN-LHR service can feed/connect from.

 

[jase05]

Will be interesting to revisit this thread in a few years time.
Sunrise will be a success but stopovers wil still be a success too. There is more than enough pie to go around

 

[RooFlyer]

I’m not sure why I needed to reply to you with your childish laugh emoji to all my posts.

Yeah, I get the same from @RSVKanga - either a or every post. I guess when you can't argue, it's pretty pro forma ️

 

[SCM]

So circle that back one step, why do you think those are the places the Gulf airlines fly to most?

I’ll give you a hint, London and Paris are not major business and tourism destinations because that’s where the Gulf airlines deposit their pax. It’s the reverse. That’s where the majority want to go.

I think it's a backwards assumption. Where is the proof that they don't want to go to Peague? Budapest? Warsaw? Sofia?

 

[ChrisMars]

It would be interesting to know:
- the fuel cost between SYD-LHR direct, vs with a stop say in SIN with refuel
- the cost of a stopover in SIN (airport fee, extra staff etc ...)

My personal preference: J on sunrise is perfect. But if in Y, then a stopover, and a shower in the lounge. W, probably sunrise.

 

[justinbrett]

This is a video showing the lighting reported above.

Seems like Airbus has been copying Boeing’s homework to me.