Qantas Project Sunrise goes ahead, 12 new A350-1000s ordered

[TomVexille]

Would that have been on an AY wet lease? My experience flying SIN-SYD a few months ago was subpar, especially compared to the great service on QF1 up to to SIN.

Yes, the crew don’t necessarily know what’s onboard until (or if) catering deliver it but IME, they will run through what they have when you ask “What do you have?”

I’ve been on plenty of other airlines where the printed menu will have specific wines, but they’re run out before the drinks service and it’s something else.

No, QF22. I don't think it's unreasonable for crew in J to have a quick look at the trolley before they start the drinks service and memorise what the the 4 varieties of wine loaded are.

Poured the white instead of the red?

Pinot into a glass with Syrah in it

 

[JessicaTam]

[mod hat]
Back to the specific Project Sunrise discussion, thanks.
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[TeaKozy]

I’d much rather 2-4-2 and greater pitch in Y than self-service coconut water. The brief shot of a barely filled cabin looks torturous for a 20+ hour jaunt.

 

[Daver6]

I'll call it now that either that stretching area doesn't happen or if it does it will be replaced with more seats in a couple of years.

 

[justinbrett]

I'll call it now that either that stretching area doesn't happen or if it does it will be replaced with more seats in a couple of years.

The reason it's there is weight restrictions, not generosity.

 

[Jacques Vert]

The reason it's there is weight restrictions, not generosity.

And if they manage to tweak an extra 1% efficiency somewhere in the years to come?

 

[SeatBackForward]

And if they manage to tweak an extra 1% efficiency somewhere in the years to come?

*ahem* freight.

 

[dajop]

I’d imagine SYD-SYD-LHR would become a revenue-oriented stopover service on a standard A350 rather than a fuel-oriented “necessity” stopover service,

Actually I’d argue it will be no different to today. The current QF1 is not just a fuel stop - it is two spokes of a mini-hub operation; it takes passengers from SYD to SIN where they stay or continue on to LHR, CDG, AMS, HEL or the next morning on Jetstar to other parts of Asia. When it goes on to LHR it also takes in passengers from MEL, BNE and PER and probably some also from Jetstar and others originating in SIN. So post sunrise it will form the same role, with the aim of sunrise to achieve higher fares and grab a tiny amount more of market share from competitors.

 

[Quickstatus]

like stopping over and having a break

Some of us need a periodic Crowne Plaza SIN fix

There will be 12 different mood lighting settings

Sounds like a gimmick.
In the end it will be controlled by the Cabin crew. "Feed the chooks and turn off the lights" will still apply,

QF plans to let all pax including Y control lighting.

We have a medical device that has a patient control button. The nurses tell the patients "you can press the button whenever you like but we will let you know when you can do that". Same - the cabin crew will have the Veto.

And if they manage to tweak an extra 1% efficiency somewhere in the years to come?

Then it will be "enhanced". Maybe even made fairer and simpler.

 

[RSVKanga]

In the end it will be controlled by the Cabin crew.

Same - the cabin crew will have the Veto.

And is there a problem with that?

 

[Quickstatus]

And is there a problem with that?

No, hence my comment that it is gimmickry - like the celebrity chef involvement in QF inflight catering and his famous 3 leaf salad.

 

[RooFlyer]

What will Qantas charge for direct flights to London, NY?
There’ll be a 20% premium on those marathon Project Sunrise flights

 

[ChrisMars]

What will Qantas charge for direct flights to London, NY?
There’ll be a 20% premium on those marathon Project Sunrise flights

Looks like some sales anchoring technique.

At the end of the day, Qantas will charge as much as it can while still filling the A350, demand / offer will set that price

 

[mviy]

QF may continue to fly indirect as well if they have sufficient demand and could even eventually move to using the A350 for PER-LHR and as the A380s get retired flying SYD-SIN-LHR as well. There are some advantages to using the same aircraft type for different routes to the same destination.

 

[elanshin]

Was just listening to on air with Dan and Alex. Alex has just let known that because of the success of PER-LHR and that Qantas and Airbus is solving the technical aspect of project sunrise, that 2 other airlines are looking at similar routes. One being BA and the other he can't say yet.

 

[jase05]

Was just listening to on air with Dan and Alex. Alex has just let known that because of the success of PER-LHR and that Qantas and Airbus is solving the technical aspect of project sunrise, that 2 other airlines are looking at similar routes. One being BA and the other he can't say yet.

Talk at work a couple of months back that AF/KL were investigating the possibility of direct flights to Australia from CDG or AMS

 

[moa999]

Arguably AF/KL might be able to do that with a current aircraft.

Have been some reports that QF had some form of exclusivity on the 350 extended design (but don't know if that is true), but obviously Boeing was offering something similar in range with a 777X variant.

The other interesting candidate would be NZ.
The GCMap routing for AKL-LHR is very interesting, essentially a polar route passing over NW Russia.

But possibly with the westerly winds you could fly a AKL-LHR route passing over say ANC, but then a LHR-AKL route passing over DXB on the return - so only ever flying east to take advantage of the winds.

GCMAP routes - A map from the Great Circle Mapper

 

[Mattg]

The other interesting candidate would be NZ.
The GCMap routing for AKL-LHR is very interesting, essentially a polar route passing over NW Russia.

But possibly with the westerly winds you could fly a AKL-LHR route passing over say DXB, but then a LHR-AKL route passing over ANC on the return - so only ever flying west.

I don't think Air New Zealand would be able to make this work. For starters, AKL-LHR is even further than SYD-LHR which is already marginal. But secondly, and most importantly, there isn't enough premium demand to/from AKL for NZ to be able to sustain the high yields they would need to make money doing something like that.

 

[jakeseven7]

I didn’t even think NZ had slots at LHR to use even if they wanted to?

 

[jase05]

Was it my imagination or pre Covid was VS seriously considering to fly direct to Australia?