Qantas to move to new Perth Airport terminal, expand Perth hub

[Sprucegoose]

The airline has already stated that once the sunrise flights start, they will keep the existing one stop flight via Asia as well.

That could change due to circumstances evolving around that time and depending on how well other routes are performing and global conditions. Still, I expect them to maintain at least one Asian stopover, if not more.

 

[RooFlyer]

But QF have already stated it’s staying

Can you see the flaw in that statement?

 

[AIRwin]

Assuming when they say Jetstar moving to T2 they mean the domestic arm - international staying T1

https://newsroom.jetstar.com/jetstar-domestic-flights-to-move-to-terminal-2-at-perth-airport-from-september-2024/

 

[PineappleSkip]

the current time of departure of QF2 from LHR would be problematic due to an arrival time in SYD duing the curfew period at some times of the year at least

Well I expect an announcement in due course from QF and WSI that curfew free project sunrise flights will operate out of there rather than SYD. .

 

[RooFlyer]

Well I expect an announcement in due course from QF and WSI that curfew free project sunrise flights will operate out of there rather than SYD. .

Oh, I would love to see that!

 

[Must...Fly!]

3am departure from WSI with a premium price tag...anything to avoid a stop for some. I'm sure a consultancy can make it work on paper

 

[RSVKanga]

Still, I expect them to maintain at least one Asian stopover, if not more.

What? Return of LHR-HKG-MEL

 

[RichardMEL]

3am departure from WSI with a premium price tag...anything to avoid a stop for some. I'm sure a consultancy can make it work on paper

Clearly this will not happen. Timings will be geared to the O&D and for prime routes like these, not at cystomer unfriendly times

 

[Must...Fly!]

Clearly this will not happen. Timings will be geared to the O&D and for prime routes like these, not at cystomer unfriendly times

My tongue was firmly in my cheek on that one.

Everything about Sunrise, if the sun ever rises on the Project, will be premium I've no doubt (except Neil's leaves)

 

[dajop]

Clearly this will not happen. Timings will be geared to the O&D and for prime routes like these, not at cystomer unfriendly times

I bet it will follow QF1 timings going to LHR (leaving SYD 3 hrs later than QF1) although it would pretty cool - especially with fully functioning wifi- to do a full day flight, leaving at say 9 am, arriving at around 6-8pm.

The return could be more difficult, and it will probably end up being a LHR departure somewhere between 9am and 5pm, arriving into SYD midday to early evening,

 

[RSVKanga]

My tongue was firmly in my cheek on that one.

Everything about Sunrise, if the sun ever rises on the Project, will be premium I've no doubt (except Neil's leaves)

It's the largest A350 version with four classes and that includes economy. It's clear that QF want to normalise nonstop travel between Australia and Europe, and not go down the SQ path of offering a small aircraft with only premium seats as they do on SIN-JFK which serves only a niche market.

 

[drron]

Our resident QF optimist is possibly going to gloat in Late 2026 if the Government holds it's nerve against the pleading of SYD. The current plan is the shoulder period from 5-6 am will cease when WSI opens for international flights.

 

[Must...Fly!]

It's the largest A350 version with four classes and that includes economy. It's clear that QF want to normalise nonstop travel between Australia and Europe, and not go down the SQ path of offering a small aircraft with only premium seats as they do on SIN-JFK which serves only a niche market.

They can want whatever they like, if Airbus can't deliver the product they need then it's dead. And that's only the first hurdle.

 

[jase05]

It's the largest A350 version with four classes and that includes economy. It's clear that QF want to normalise nonstop travel between Australia and Europe, and not go down the SQ path of offering a small aircraft with only premium seats as they do on SIN-JFK which serves only a niche market.

I think they mean Premium prices not premium seating. Economy on Sunrise aircraft will attract a premium price

 

[RichardMEL]

My tongue was firmly in my cheek on that one.

Everything about Sunrise, if the sun ever rises on the Project, will be premium I've no doubt (except Neil's leaves)

Ok I missed where your tongue was

On a serious note, it does raise interesting questions regarding timings, slot availability and the effect on shell requirements for routes.

I mean, if one wants to optimise timings to capture the most premium pax, you probably want nearer end of the lical (business) day than the start imo. Lookong at say SYD and LHR, you could push the existing QF1 departure of between 3 and 5pm based on season to say 6-8 perhaps and still wind up arriving LHR at the crack of dawn more or less (I'm guestimating a bit here) great. Leave work, fly to LHR in time for a new day if that is your need. What of the return? Turn the plane around and depart with the noonish slot(currently used by QF10)? Not too friendly ex-LHR - though that could also arrive afternoon/early evening into SYD which would be nice, but if you want to capture more pax ex LHR and via connects, you'd want a slot around where QF2 leaves. But wait, that leaves the ac on the ground for 12 or more hours - not ideal for utilisation.

Not sure the timings of the other slots(that BA have now), though iirc they were also evening departures as in iirc the QF10 did not used to leave in the early afternoon, but in the evening when it flew via SIN back in the day. Happy to be corrected on that.

QF could also potentially do a deal with BA to perhaps get some more ideal slots from them (I say BA in the sense that they are already leasing one pair and may be willing to keep those timings in return for another. Probably a bit of an ask but you jever know. Either that or another (costly) deal could pitentially be done with another carrier.

Either way, timings will be interesting but could pose some questions with shell utilisation. Or they could just vary as they do now and have a new QF10 potentially go at lunchtime and provide that as an option - say arriving in time for the evening bank of connections to ADL/CBR/HBA etc - the shells could swap at LHR possibly. MEL-LHR could be a later departure ex MEL too possibly.

And of course the "slow" one stop flight fits in there also.

No doubt will be trade offs

 

[SYD]

Our resident QF optimist is possibly going to gloat in Late 2026 if the Government holds it's nerve against the pleading of SYD. The current plan is the shoulder period from 5-6 am will cease when WSI opens for international flights.

That’ll actually impact more airlines than just QF. BA and SQ have scheduled arrivals before 6am. QF only has two - probably not a biggy to schedule for 6am.

Too bad if there’s favourable tailwinds…

 

[dajop]

you'd want a slot around where QF2 leaves. But wait, that leaves the ac on the ground for 12 or more hours - not ideal for utilisation.

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Either way, timings will be interesting but could pose some questions with shell utilisation. Or they could just vary as they do now and have a new QF10 potentially go at lunchtime and provide that as an option - say arriving in time for the evening bank of connections to ADL/CBR/HBA etc - the shells could swap at LHR possibly. MEL-LHR could be a later departure ex MEL too possibly.

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Assuming that sunrise will trim 3 hrs off QF2. Currently schedule is 2045/0510, that would put it into SYD at 0210. If you pushed that to 2245 that would be 0410. What is the latest that LHR allows departures? But come summer (the Australian one that is) the schedule is 1955/0615, so it would be 1955/0315. But if you pushed it to 2155, that could work better ,with say 2255/0515.

 

[RooFlyer]

Assuming that sunrise will trim 3 hrs off QF2.

I haven’t been following the actual comparative times of project sunrise, not wanting to strain the brain cells unnecessary .

But, serious question. Will the sunrise flight from London to Sydney and VV really only save the flyer three hours? Surely it must be more than that?

 

[TheInsider]

With the exorbitant price they charge you would hope they are profitable.

Not really that much more expensive than everyone else.

 

[RichardMEL]

Hmm the current SYD curfew would make that not work in winter time at the very least. Hmmmm bring on WSI?! Ir leave LHR noon slot and then you arruve early evening-ish.

Unless my timezone naths is way off (possible)