Qantas to move to new Perth Airport terminal, expand Perth hub

[TY24]

Blimey!! You are lucky. I'm used to widebodies being swapped out for 737 often. Many flights from PER to SYD and MEL are by 737.

Maybe I am lucky, but I also specifically book the A330 flights. I even copped a 747 from PER-SYD back in the day!

I've never had the dreaded aircraft change, but my partner has. She had a confirmed J upgrade on an A330 and got swapped to the back row of Y on a 738. Unlucky!

 

[jase05]

There's plenty of widebody flights between SYD/MEL and PER. I have never flown on a 737 from coast to coast.

Unfortunately BNE widebody flights seem to have disappeared.

I must be unlucky as 2 of my last 3 MEL-PER flights have been on a 737

 

[moa999]

Not having garbage narrow bodied connections would be a start

Widebodies for short/ medium flights are disappearing the world over.

 

[HS-TQE]

There's plenty of widebody flights between SYD/MEL and PER. I have never flown on a 737 from coast to coast.

Unfortunately BNE widebody flights seem to have disappeared.

There's usually only 1-2 widebody flights from SYD to PER per day. 1 of them is the QF5/QF6 SYD-PER-FCO service, and the other is the sole daily A330. The rest are 737-800s.

MEL seems to have double daily A330s (probably to compensate for the loss of QF9/10). Some days this increases to 3 (3rd doesn't operate every day).

BNE hasn't had any widebody PER flights for years even back when VA had the A330s.

 

[TY24]

I must be unlucky as 2 of my last 3 MEL-PER flights have been on a 737

There's at least 3-4 A330 flights a day between PER and MEL. I always book them as long as they're not ridiculously more expensive than their 737 counterparts. Pretty good J upgrade availability too!

QF767 @ 7am
QF769 @ 9am
QF775 @ 2.30pm
QF781 @8pm

QF9 is also still running (not for much longer though, the MEL-PER leg is being cancelled soon)

 

[TY24]

I have not read the full story, however was there a mention made of the second long runway to the East of the current



I haven't read the full article, but was there a mention of the second long runway to the East of the current main runway?

Yes, they will be constructing a 3rd runway to the east of Airport Central.

This image is from 2018 so it might be outdated, but this was the original plan when the Airport Central upgrades were first announced before it was all put on hold due to COVID.



It would also mean the new runway would have to overpass Grogan Road, which hopefully could lead to some awesome views of aircraft taxiing over the road like you get at SYD and SIN.

 

[drron]

F Lounges are primarily for Frequent Flyers, it's pretty rare that the people in them are actually flying F. There's 4 (QF, QR, MH, CX) different OW carriers currently flying to PER and there's currently no OW lounges in the international terminal.

But there are a lot more OWEs in NSW and Victoria and i daresay Even QLD than WA. And even more of other OW airlines fly into SYD,MEL and BNE.
You must rember that much bigger market than LHR called the USA. SYD and MEL will have at least 3 to the USA as DFW, JFK and ORD have been mentioned as possible routes. Add on the 1 each to LHR which I think is possible and with the 1 PER service there are your 12 planes utilised. They won't want any issues with those planes or more bad press will ensue.

 

[HS-TQE]

There's at least 3-4 A330 flights a day between PER and MEL. I always book them as long as they're not ridiculously more expensive than their 737 counterparts. Pretty good J upgrade availability too!

That can't be good in the long term as the A330s become more attractive for international operations, even the domestic config A330s could be useful on Short Haul Int'l (CGK, AKL).

SYD-DPS already uses a international config A330.

 

[RSVKanga]

QF Perth to Buenos Aires should also be considered. It might not be on that indicative map QF released today, but PER-EZE was a genuine route considered by another airline pre-Covid. Could make PER a crucial transit city between South America and South/South East Asia. Currently, it’s the ME carriers have dominance on this corridor between Asia and South America and making a PER hub could give them some competition.


Also, there’s a few low effort posts here from users who support airlines like Qatar attempting to distract from the significance of today’s announcements, but the reality is QR are the ones panicking in response to QF’s EU expansion out of Perth.

If QR isn’t panicking, why is Perth a random destination on their small list of A380 cities?

Surely Melbourne makes more sense if QR wanted a second A380 Australian destination.

The Oryx Regime had an option to a) follow the lead of Etihad and pull out of PER due to people switching to QF nonstop, or b) use their infinite oil funds to flood the WA market with excess capacity, why is exactly why QR is flying the A380 to Perth.

With more QF direct flights from Perth to Europe and India, QR’s A380 band aid solution might start to wither off.

 

[Mattg]

... the reality is QR are the ones panicking in response to QF’s EU expansion out of Perth.

If QR isn’t panicking, why is Perth a random destination on their small list of A380 cities?

Surely Melbourne makes more sense if QR wanted a second A380 Australian destination.

The Oryx Regime had an option to a) follow the lead of Etihad and pull out of PER due to people switching to QF nonstop, or b) use their infinite oil funds to flood the WA market with excess capacity, why is exactly why QR is flying the A380 to Perth.

With more QF direct flights from Perth to Europe and India, QR’s A380 band aid solution might start to wither off.

Do you have any actual evidence that there are currently people in Doha panicking about today's announcement?

Qatar Airways currently flies an A380 to Perth because there is demand, and they have been blocked from adding double daily flights using smaller aircraft (which is what they actually want to do). Thanks in part to lobbying efforts by your favourite airline.

The Middle Eastern airlines will still be able to offer one-stop connections to many destinations that QF does not for many years to come.

 

[HS-TQE]

QF Perth to Buenos Aires should also be considered. It might not be on that indicative map QF released today, but PER-EZE was a genuine route considered by another airline pre-Covid.

I wouldn't take Norwegian Air seriously considering their own financial troubles with their LCC Long Haul operations and the subsequent shut down of their long haul divisions post-COVID.

 

[RSVKanga]

Qatar Airways currently flies an A380 to Perth because there is demand

Why don’t they fly the A380 to Melbourne instead then? It’s Australia’s largest city, arguably more demand and some complain is “neglected” by QF so it makes sense for QR to capitalise on that.

But no. That’s not happening, isn’t it?

 

[TY24]

But there are a lot more OWEs in NSW and Victoria and i daresay Even QLD than WA. And even more of other OW airlines fly into SYD,MEL and BNE.
You must rember that much bigger market than LHR called the USA. SYD and MEL will have at least 3 to the USA as DFW, JFK and ORD have been mentioned as possible routes. Add on the 1 each to LHR which I think is possible and with the 1 PER service there are your 12 planes utilised. They won't want any issues with those planes or more bad press will ensue.

You've completely missed the point

 

[drron]

QF Perth to Buenos Aires should also be considered. It might not be on that indicative map QF released today, but PER-EZE was a genuine route considered by another airline pre-Covid. Could make PER a crucial transit city between South America and South/South East Asia. Currently, it’s the ME carriers have dominance on this corridor between Asia and South America and making a PER hub could give them some competition.


Also, there’s a few low effort posts here from users who support airlines like Qatar attempting to distract from the significance of today’s announcements, but the reality is QR are the ones panicking in response to QF’s EU expansion out of Perth.

If QR isn’t panicking, why is Perth a random destination on their small list of A380 cities?

Surely Melbourne makes more sense if QR wanted a second A380 Australian destination.

The Oryx Regime had an option to a) follow the lead of Etihad and pull out of PER due to people switching to QF nonstop, or b) use their infinite oil funds to flood the WA market with excess capacity, why is exactly why QR is flying the A380 to Perth.

With more QF direct flights from Perth to Europe and India, QR’s A380 band aid solution might start to wither off.

I really doubt QR are panicking. There are some facts you are obviously unaware of but I doubt That QR is simiarly unaware. There have already been a couple of Australian smaller resource companies signing agreements for exploration in the ME. Saudi Arabia in particular is encouraging miners to think of coming.
Our own Austrade is also encouraging it.

Fresh prospects for Australian mining equipment, technology and services (METS) in Saudi Arabia | Austrade

Saudi Arabia’s Vision 2030 identifies mining as a key component of the Kingdom’s industry strategy. This will open major opportunities for Australian companies in the mining, equipment, technology and services (METS) sector.

www.austrade.gov.au

And what is WA's major Industry?

 

[HS-TQE]

Why don’t they fly the A380 to Melbourne instead? It’s Australia’s largest city and some complain is “neglected” by QF so it makes sense for QR to capitalise on that.

But no. That’s not happening, isn’t it?

MEL already has 2 daily flights. 1 of them extends to ADL as part of their bilateral, since ADL is considered 'regional' in said bilateral.

 

[PERLHR]

Why don’t they fly the A380 to Melbourne instead? It’s Australia’s largest city and some complain is “neglected” by QF so it makes sense for QR to capitalise on that.

But no. That’s not happening, isn’t it?

I think we shall leave the QR scheduling to the QR experts shall we who actually do the job? The 380 has been used by QR for many years at PER, at times the 777 and 350 has also been utilised (say during COVID and for a while after. Supply and demand and all that....

 

[jrfsp]

Why don’t they fly the A380 to Melbourne instead then? It’s Australia’s largest city, arguably more demand and some complain is “neglected” by QF so it makes sense for QR to capitalise on that.

But no. That’s not happening, isn’t it?

MEL has more QR seats than PER with double daily 777. PER is a shorter flight which helps utilization with a limited number of A380s.

The additional tag flight is easier to operate from the east coast, MEL is probably the best candidate

 

[RSVKanga]

I wouldn't take Norwegian Air seriously considering their own financial troubles with their LCC Long Haul operations and the subsequent shut down of their long haul divisions post-COVID.

Wasn’t talking about Norwegian Air, I said QF should fly it and Norwegian have come up with this idea in the past.

 

[wandering_fred]

But there are a lot more OWEs in NSW and Victoria and i daresay Even QLD than WA. And even more of other OW airlines fly into SYD,MEL and BNE. ...

You forget that the massive FIFO workforce in WA would have a high percentage of WP rated people.....
And they like regular wandering
Fred

 

[drron]

You forget that the massive FIFO workforce in WA would have a high percentage of WP rated people.....
And they like regular wandering
Fred

Sure but the East Coast has more politicians than WA.