QF announce non-stop Perth-London B787 Services

[moa999]

And not to forget strong rumours about A380 being reallocated.

From a recent thread on another forum, I'd say strong chance MEL-SIN will go to A380, and EK will drop their DXB-SIN-MEL service in favour of another DXB-MEL direct

 

[serfty]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

To have a combined lounge would require moving to a different space (not sure if a large enough one even exists). ...

Possibly not ... the adjacent old EK space still sits unused.

 

[thebmw]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

Possibly not ... the adjacent old EK space still sits unused.

Pretty sure that space has been talked about here as becoming a paid lounge?

 

[mviy]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

Whenever I've flown QF9 the Business cabin has been full. Indeed on my next flight there is now no ability to change seats in Business as they're all taken. So in my limited experience there is sufficient demand there for a QF A380 service.

 

[serfty]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

Whenever I've flown QF9 the Business cabin has been full. Indeed on my next flight there is now no ability to change seats in Business as they're all taken. So in my limited experience there is sufficient demand there for a QF A380 service.

In my recent experience Qantas plan to sell every international business class seat - filling them with award points upgrades right up to the gate if needed. If any go out empty it simply means there were not enough eligible PAX willing to upgrade on points.

(This is much to the chagrin of friends of mine with access to Industry fares.)

I have seen a flight go from something like J9 D9 I6 at T-48 hours to J2 D0 I0 at T-6 hours.

 

[cove]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

Yes Qantas shares are on a tear away as loads have been good and the fuel price has dived.
Perth has been starved of Qantas International flights for several years and it will be interesting to get a direct service to London next year.

 

[DavidFlynn]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

Pretty sure that space has been talked about here as becoming a paid lounge?

That's the ongoing rumour, I'd expect an announcement soon-ish...

 

[DavidFlynn]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

Perth has been starved of Qantas International flights for several years and it will be interesting to get a direct service to London next year.

Indeed, it's fascinating to see how PER has pretty much gone from zero to hero – a few years back QF canned international flights ex-PER and got a caning in return, now PER is becoming the trumpeted Aussie hub for a series of non-stop European services boasting Qantas' very latest jetliner. How things change!

 

[PaulST]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

Indeed, it's fascinating to see how PER has pretty much gone from zero to hero – a few years back QF canned international flights ex-PER and got a caning in return, now PER is becoming the trumpeted Aussie hub for a series of non-stop European services boasting Qantas' very latest jetliner. How things change!

(removed this bit, as it was a little unkind to our PER-based brethren)

Boosting the activity in PER does make sense as QF doesn't need to worry about fighting with partners like EK or the political turmoil over there.
Having said that, hasn't the A380 been able to reach Europe non-stop from Perth before now? The 787-9 isn't a revolutionary new aircraft that can fly so much further than anything else. Why haven't QF been flying QF 1 via PER before now?

 

[Franky]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

(I'll preface this by saying that I'm not a huge fan of Perth generally and wasn't that sympathetic when PER was losing a lot of interest from QF)

We all love you too..

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

(removed this bit, as it was a little unkind to our PER-based brethren)

Boosting the activity in PER does make sense as QF doesn't need to worry about fighting with partners like EK or the political turmoil over there.
Having said that, hasn't the A380 been able to reach Europe non-stop from Perth before now? The 787-9 isn't a revolutionary new aircraft that can fly so much further than anything else. Why haven't QF been flying QF 1 via PER before now?

My understanding is that the 787 is the first aircraft Qantas operates which can make the non-stop trip financially viable.
An A380 would have to fly with a lot of empty seats to make it non-stop.
On the other hand an A340 could make the trip almost if not fully loaded but the fuel costs would be prohibitive as it isn't a current generation aircraft (and Qantas has never owned any).

 

[PaulST]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

My understanding is that the 787 is the first aircraft Qantas operates which can make the non-stop trip financially viable.
An A380 would have to fly with a lot of empty seats to make it non-stop.
On the other hand an A340 could make the trip almost if not fully loaded but the fuel costs would be prohibitive as it isn't a current generation aircraft (and Qantas has never owned any).

Fair enough. Now that I think about it, I believe that the A380 to DFW has to have a set number of empty seats.

 

[katiebell]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

Perth has been starved of Qantas International flights for several years and it will be interesting to get a direct service to London next year.

Indeed, it's fascinating to see how PER has pretty much gone from zero to hero – a few years back QF canned international flights ex-PER and got a caning in return, now PER is becoming the trumpeted Aussie hub for a series of non-stop European services boasting Qantas' very latest jetliner. How things change!

I am suspicious that the ceasing of QFi from PER was a strategic move in the plan to get PER airport management WA govt and customs & quarrantine to let QFi and QFd fly from the same terminal...

Boosting the activity in PER does make sense as QF doesn't need to worry about fighting with partners like EK or the political turmoil over there.
Having said that, hasn't the A380 been able to reach Europe non-stop from Perth before now? The 787-9 isn't a revolutionary new aircraft that can fly so much further than anything else. Why haven't QF been flying QF 1 via PER before now?

Some of the B777 family have a longer range than the B787 (& all airbus). QF were one of 8 airlines involved in the design of the B777 yet never bought it. The reasons why would be interesting,esp as it started life with ETOPS more than capable of doing most QF routes.

Having just flown 5+ hours on B787 and B777 I did not find the B787 any better, in fact I felt less fatugued after the B777 (despite an earlier start) and my nose was less affected on the B777 than the B787.

The B787 is not a game changer and I am not convinced that it decreases jet lag or the other adverse effects of flying.

 

[serfty]

The B 787 is simply a more fuel efficient aircraft being of a contemporary build.

It is nothing special and somewhat worse for ecomomy PAX overall than the A380.

Qantas are simply going to endeavour to improve their bottom line and if it doesn't work on this route as well as they hope they will whip it out of PER quick smart. Back to to via SIN/SYD/MEL I would expect.

 

[Himeno]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

Some of the B777 family have a longer range than the B787 (& all airbus). QF were one of 8 airlines involved in the design of the B777 yet never bought it. The reasons why would be interesting,esp as it started life with ETOPS more than capable of doing most QF routes.

CASA limits and QF board thinking the A380 would be ready on time. When the 777 was being designed, QF still had 743s and a number of 744s on order. By the time they needed to order replacement long haul widebody aircraft, they ended up going with the 380.

Having just flown 5+ hours on B787 and B777 I did not find the B787 any better, in fact I felt less fatugued after the B777 (despite an earlier start) and my nose was less affected on the B777 than the B787.

Last Oct, I had 2 flights on the same route with the same airline in the space of 10 days. 1 777, 1 787. Each flight felt the same.

 

[moa999]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

I Some of the B777 family have a longer range than the B787 (& all airbus). QF were one of 8 airlines involved in the design of the B777 yet never bought it. The reasons why would be interesting,esp as it started life with ETOPS more than capable of doing most QF routes

VA didn't have much success with the 777 on the JNB route, mostly thanks to ETOPS limits.

We still don't know whether QF will push for higher limits on its 787s to enable usage to JNB and SCL, albeit with LA flying similar routes they should have a good argument

 

[jb747]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

The B787 is not a game changer and I am not convinced that it decreases jet lag or the other adverse effects of flying.

What, you don't believe the Boeing marketing blurb?

 

[katiebell]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

CASA limits and QF board thinking the A380 would be ready on time. When the 777 was being designed, QF still had 743s and a number of 744s on order. By the time they needed to order replacement long haul widebody aircraft, they ended up going with the 380.

Last Oct, I had 2 flights on the same route with the same airline in the space of 10 days. 1 777, 1 787. Each flight felt the same.

VA didn't have much success with the 777 on the JNB route, mostly thanks to ETOPS limits.

We still don't know whether QF will push for higher limits on its 787s to enable usage to JNB and SCL, albeit with LA flying similar routes they should have a good argument

The B77 ETOPS 180 limit at start of service meant that the airframe was approved for GC routes on most QF routes (e.g. the ones where A380 flies, or not, to Europe and Nth America) CASA certification of QF occurring of course.

Now that B777 can fly ETOPS 330 the MEL-JNB route could be flown on a great circle route: the issue with VA has been stated a longer flight time because of the need to fly further north. Having said that I would rather do that then fly via SYD had I had the need to fly to JNB.

It seems interesting that the decreased cargo capacity and higher pax numbers to fill a A380 va B777 were not deemed significant. Perhaps if these had been given higher priority we would still have viable flights to European destinations and QF flights from other Australian cities (or, radical thought, a choice of departure times for LHR.

 

[katiebell]

Re: Melbourne the latest City to get shafted by Qantas

What, you don't believe the Boeing marketing blurb?

Sadly no… Very let down

 

[Aussie_flyer]

The B77 ETOPS 180 limit at start of service meant that the airframe was approved for GC routes on most QF routes (e.g. the ones where A380 flies, or not, to Europe and Nth America) CASA certification of QF occurring of course.

Now that B777 can fly ETOPS 330 the MEL-JNB route could be flown on a great circle route: the issue with VA has been stated a longer flight time because of the need to fly further north. Having said that I would rather do that then fly via SYD had I had the need to fly to JNB.

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You are ignoring casa regulations for etops unless something has changed since you made the same posts about this last year.