QF cough about cabin bags

[MEL_Traveller]

By having a 7 or 10kg limit people will check in bags. It will have effect of reducing the number of large bags and should speed up boarding. If I am travelling for more than one night, I will check in my bag and board with a small backpack or laptop case at most. I will even check on a carry on in preference to lugging it around.

*potentially* it will. But even if there was a massive shift in behaviour and everyone kept their carryon within the weight limit, there’d still not be enough room

The solution is the modern bins with almost double the capacity.

 

[drron]

By having a 7 or 10kg limit people will check in bags. It will have effect of reducing the number of large bags and should speed up boarding. If I am travelling for more than one night, I will check in my bag and board with a small backpack or laptop case at most. I will even check on a carry on in preference to lugging it around.

But surely a more effective way of removing large bags from the cabin is to check the size of the carry ons at check in. That way none should get on.
Though a follow up at the gate is needed to catch those that have checked in on line. Or maybe just do it at the gate. But weighing or size checking at the gate surely disrupts boarding and seeing QF is using that as the excuse for doing weight checks it seems to me it fails.

 

[Rnwillia]

But a cabin bag at 7.5kg (for example) isn't delaying anyone compared with the same bag at 7kg as long as it fits and you can lift it, I don't see the issue.

And if all passengers took this attitude and carried an extra .5 to 1 Kg of carry on, what would that do to the safety of the aircraft. Well done Qantas for enforcing the rules and keeping us all safe albeit it long overdue.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

And if all passengers took this attitude and carried an extra .5 to 1 Kg of carry on, what would that do to the safety of the aircraft. Well done Qantas for enforcing the rules and keeping us all safe albeit it long overdue.

CASA provides guidance on this, in that any weight limits imposed should be accounted for in determining the overall weight of the aircraft loading.

But taking out that heavy jacket at the boarding gate doesn’t solve this issue… the extra .5kg is still being carried on board.

While minor variances of a kilo here or there probably don’t matter in the grand scheme of things safety wise, I wonder how BA calculates its weights when pax can carry 23gs per piece on board? For an a320 with 180 seats this could account to 4000+ kilos. I’m guessing most people don’t carry anywhere near that. Or or if they do, it’s offset by not having bags in the hold.

 

[RooFlyer]

And if all passengers took this attitude and carried an extra .5 to 1 Kg of carry on, what would that do to the safety of the aircraft.

Safety of the aircraft (ie performance)? Nothing, I'd say. Factor in the weight of passengers and an extra 0.5 or 1 or 2kg per pax in hand luggage cannot be considered a safety issue. Bin failure? Again, an extra 2 to 6kg in an overhead bin (assuming 3 carry-ons per bin) cannot be an issue, esp if you look at the weight limits quoted by milehighclub, above. If there was any genuine safety issue, then most airlines would be criminally negligent up to this point.

I get there has to be some stated limit to weight and dimensions, so that truly disruptive and potentially dangerous carry-ons can be screened out without question (such as a bag crammed absolutely full of booze). But a bit here and there, always with the ability of cabin crew to ban certain bags for any reason, as we have now, I cannot see as being a safety issue.

 

[Rich]

But surely a more effective way of removing large bags from the cabin is to check the size of the carry ons at check in. That way none should get on.
Though a follow up at the gate is needed to catch those that have checked in on line. Or maybe just do it at the gate. But weighing or size checking at the gate surely disrupts boarding and seeing QF is using that as the excuse for doing weight checks it seems to me it fails.

Yes, but it is not necessarily about large bags. I can cram a lot in a carry on, although that is more an issue at 7kg than 10kg. Also, throwing a few bags in the hold at the last minute probably takes no longer than finding placing for those bags in an overhead locker when no space exists.

 

[MARTINE]

CASA provides guidance on this, in that any weight limits imposed should be accounted for in determining the overall weight of the aircraft loading.

But taking out that heavy jacket at the boarding gate doesn’t solve this issue… the extra .5kg is still being carried on board.

While minor variances of a kilo here or there probably don’t matter in the grand scheme of things safety wise, I wonder how BA calculates its weights when pax can carry 23gs per piece on board? For an a320 with 180 seats this could account to 4000+ kilos. I’m guessing most people don’t carry anywhere near that. Or or if they do, it’s offset by not having bags in the hold.

So back to weighing passengers to factor the load of the aircraft.

 

[Tiki]

I've traveled for years with a carry on convertible backpack that easily fit in the sizers and the overheards, even under the seat in front. But my camera gear could easily take up 4kg alone! And no one wants to check expensive cameras and zoom lenses. I have since downsized to a Nikon P900 which weighs about 1.5 kg but still hard to keep in a 7kg limit. I can see oversized or too much cabin baggage inconveniencing others who then can't find space in the overheads. But I don't see the relevance of an extra 1-2kg in an otherwise small backpack/suitcase. Especially when the US and other countries don't care about the weight.

 

[Captain Halliday]

So back to weighing passengers to factor the load of the aircraft.

Why stop there.

Fare prices could be weight based.

Surcharge if you get to checkin and you’re overweight.

It might also stop some people going too hard in the lounge.

You’d also get a green leaf if under a certain weight.

As for the PR, no doubt it would be spun as “a great Australian health initiative”

This is the Ryanair thread right?

 

[ZenFlyer]

As for the PR, no doubt it would be spun as “a great Australian health initiative”

To go along with the latest vegetarian initiative, of course . . .

 

[drron]

And if all passengers took this attitude and carried an extra .5 to 1 Kg of carry on, what would that do to the safety of the aircraft. Well done Qantas for enforcing the rules and keeping us all safe albeit it long overdue.

Would almost certainly make no difference at a;;. As mentioned JQ allows you to buy an extra 7KG above their allowance of 7Kg normally.
And BA have an allowance of 23Kg. Haven't seen reports of their planes dropping out of the sky.

The real problem with the overheads is the size and number of bags people bring on. On our recent trip on QF at MCY we saw a family of mum and dad and the kids probably 4 and 6. They had 4 normal sized carry ons plus the children had their own smaller carry ons and as well 4 other bags.

 

[MARTINE]

This highlights the range of moving parts involved (onboard weight v volume v allowances (which vary) v boarding times v performance v safety v airlines regs about these matters v cost of flights v PR etc etc)
and competing tensions (airlines profits linked to fuel linked to weight v p—ssing off the customers in enforcement) coupled w opaque communication/ interpretation and application of why said rules exist
If total weight was an underlying assumption for the majority of the airlines concerns in safety - for example - then its illogical to only factor hand luggage acknowledging the PR disaster that total weight of passengers would incur. (Interestingly having travelled on craft where this is a requirements passengers happily do so understanding why)
Add the environment of brazen incivility of pax pre/post Covid with pent up demand for flying and contempt shown by (some) airlines for their passengers and the culture of trust is gone

Its Lord of the Flys (apologies to William Golding)

 

[RooFlyer]

Its Lord of the Flys (apologies to William Golding)

ROFL!!

 

[p--and--t]

Also, not withstanding the foregoing statement about experienced travellers not checking a bag, I still do because I can't figure out how security works at Australian airports. Back in North America I can chuck things through x-ray machines, aerosols and liquids, without having to take it out of the bag.

-RooFlyer88

Wow, there must be another continent I haven't visited yet with a duplicate name.

After visiting more than 70 countries, the US airports (visited on many occasions) the security paranoia has rarely been exceeded anywhere I have been except perhaps KUL.

 

[RichardMEL]

in the USA those with TSA Pre get an experience mostly on par with Australian (and Canadian, though it's been awhile for me tbh) airports. For those without, well the process is a PITA.. shoes off, gels out, laptops etc. most of us have been there - specially those who can;t get Pre Check.

Recently I experienced very long lines at SYD Int and LAX TBIT for international flights. the LAX line was fare more unpleasant due to the aboe.

Anyway as for why many (more) around the world are packing more into carry on and trying to get away with it (as opposed t the Ryan types from Up In The Air who have it down pat) it's simple.. as pointed out earlier.. same reason air tags have gone bunta.

Lack. Of. Trust.

Now the FF's do it more to be off the plan and on their way without waiting. This has been a thing for years (how old is that movie? 2010? no 2009. I was close). But now most people hear the horror stories and think oh no. I don't want my bag lost and all so I'll do carry on.

The reality is probably the chances of actual lost bags are only slightly higher overall than they used to be, but it's out in the wild so people want to avoid that chance and so... carry on it is.

Plus you have issues like the bag throwing video and the like ADDING to the poor trust issues for checked bags....

Recent trips I was on for a few weeks with a bunch of flights had no bag issues, which is what you'd expect as the norm but I'd be lying if I said I didn't check the AA app (for example) to check the bag was scanned on the aircraft

so you have more people doing bigger and more carry on items out of mistrust/fear, with related delays caused by space issues, and people not using seat in front of them for primary storage too (I get it.. we want legroom!)

in trying to avoid one potential issue, others follow.

So, we need a change of attitude (ie: trust to be re-earned - which is so much harder when lost. So this means correctly delivering bags in a timely manner) combined with better policing of the obviously way too much carry on items to try and change behaviours

this also requires consistency. Something some organisations are not terribly good at

imo.

 

[nutwood]

I have to say I find it a lot easier to travel with check in. A lightweight back pack with several books and a toothbrush for emergency use in case of cancellations. A few other essentials and then check the rest in. So much easier on and off the plane and generally moving about, especially when there's multiple segments involved.
I do find it annoying when I board and find the lockers jammed solid with hard cases. I also find it annoying when I disembark and have to follow people with two little cases wheeling along either side of them. If it's carry on, you should carry it on. If you've got to wheel it, check it in!

 

[transpactraveller]

I’m with you most of the way but I will not allow your statement go unchallenged that North America security, particularly TSA, is less hassle than Australian domestic. Absolutely no way.

The only place in the world I've had items confiscated is in Australia. And I fly through the States alot with the same items that were taken from me here.

 

[SeatBackForward]

I also find it annoying when I disembark and have to follow people with two little cases wheeling along either side of them.

Well I wouldn't suggest wheels = must check in, but I struggle to see how anyone can claim a wheeled suitcase as their second "personal" item. Sure in business you could probably do it if you're allowed tow pieces of carry on, but again from a practical perspective WHY??????

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Well I wouldn't suggest wheels = must check in, but I struggle to see how anyone can claim a wheeled suitcase as their second "personal" item. Sure in business you could probably do it if you're allowed tow pieces of carry on, but again from a practical perspective WHY??????

Flying weekly I save twenty to thirty minutes each end of the commute not waiting for bags. I can be home in under an hour from doors open. Physiologically it makes a different (home in under an hour versus almost an hour and a half), and coughulatively it saves almost a day a year of waiting at a carousel! Plus any additional time I’d need to be there to meet bag drop.

 

[marki]

Around the world in 118 days: one airline passenger’s $3,000 battle to retrieve lost luggage

When Marko Bogicevic and Dani Meyerowitz flew from Australia to France, their bags failed to arrive with them. That was only the beginning of a four-month saga

www.theguardian.com

Maybe this is why people dont check luggage.

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