QF/EK FF benefits revealed

[oz_mark]

Jetstar Asia, not the holder of an Aussie CofA.

JQi were flying their A330s there at one point

 

[markis10]

JQi were flying their A330s there at one point

Really, must of missed that one, so I would stand corrected! If that is the case it proves my point.

Edit - They flew SYD-KUL - spot on!

 

[TheInsider]

Jetstar Asia, not the holder of an Aussie CofA

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JQ flew SYD-KUL

 

[Ansett]

And here is a link to a story about the Launch that was short lived according the the Jetstar source

TTG Asia - Leader in Hotel, Airlines, Tourism and Travel Trade News - Jetstar to launch Sydney-Kuala Lumpur flights

 

[oz_mark]

And here is a link to a story about the Launch that was short lived according the the Jetstar source

TTG Asia - Leader in Hotel, Airlines, Tourism and Travel Trade News - Jetstar to launch Sydney-Kuala Lumpur flights

The flight was dropped in favour of increased Japanese flights.

 

[docjames]

Jetstar Asia, not the holder of an Aussie CofA.



Yes, nothing has really changed much in ten years, with the exception of more LCC competition that hubs ex KUL, so even more unlikely to happen.

So MH joining Oneworld changes "nothing much". Sheesh. Why did they bother then?

 

[markis10]

So MH joining Oneworld changes "nothing much". Sheesh. Why did they bother then?

MH have pretty poor connections with many Australian destinations requiring an overnight in KUL ex China, so no nothing changes really on longhaul to growth areas, all that changes is some cheaper SC runs! I dont think MH were really thinking about Australia when they made the OneWorld move!

 

[docjames]

So QF couldnt have a single daily A330 that connected to the MH Asian network.

 

[markis10]

So QF couldnt have a single daily A330 that connected to the MH Asian network.

Again why would they bother when they have EK to fall back on if you really need a QF flight number, who coincidentally have seen a 27% fall in passengers to/from Malaysia, last December they had 1449 passengers and 2T of freight for the Month inbound!

 

[docjames]

Again why would they bother when they have EK to fall back on if you really need a QF flight number, who coincidentally have seen a 27% fall in passengers to/from Malaysia, last December they had 1449 passengers and 2T of freight for the Month inbound!

So they could "fall back on" EK to DXB and SIN then and not fly there either?? Let's hope not.

A single QF daily A330 to KUL, EK could then turn their 777 back to DXB (and increase aircraft utilisation and/or any carried pax through to Aus would be re-routed direct or via SIN).

Edit: I think those numbers you quote may be skewed by the fact the aircraft also carries through pax from DXB.

 

[markis10]

Edit: I think those numbers you quote may be skewed by the fact the aircraft also carries through pax from DXB.

Dont think there is too much of a skew, why fly via KUL when you can go direct. Your banging your head against the wall looking for QF expansion, when put simply their fleet will continue to decrease in size over the next 3 years making it difficult to maintain current services.

 

[dajop]

Edit: I think those numbers you quote may be skewed by the fact the aircraft also carries through pax from DXB.

I agree, either that or something is seriously wrong with EK booking engine. During December I struggled getting seats from anywhere in SE Asia to MEL, EK's SIN-MEL flights were pretty much full. I also checked KUL-MEL and it was showing as full on many days too. That can only be explained by carrying through pax.As for why fly via KUL when you can go direct - very simple because direct services are often fuller and more expensive. In December flights into Australia from anywhere north west of the country were difficult to get. I ended up braving JQ for the first time - and to be honest was pleasantly surprised.

 

[markis10]

I agree, either that or something is seriously wrong with EK booking engine. During December I struggled getting seats from anywhere in SE Asia to MEL, EK's SIN-MEL flights were pretty much full. I also checked KUL-MEL and it was showing as full on many days too. That can only be explained by carrying through pax.As for why fly via KUL when you can go direct - very simple because direct services are often fuller and more expensive. In December flights into Australia from anywhere north west of the country were difficult to get. I ended up braving JQ for the first time - and to be honest was pleasantly surprised.

EK had 75% load factors ex the UAE, while you may have struggled to get a seat they have consistently been dropping passengers on the KUL MEL route, going from 6000 to 4000 for November year to year if we look at those figures without the Christmas spike, hard to get a definitive answer but with total load at 75% I cannot imagine the bulk of them would be taking the long way.

Air Asias load factor inbound in December was 62%, dont think it would have been too much of a struggle for you to book them

 

[docjames]

So if they've got 75% lf from DXB to Aus, it would leave around 100 seats KUL-MEL.

Rough maths? Is the flight daily? If so they are 50% of their available 100 seats (30 x 50 = 1500).

Given EK are so short of aircraft, it would be one area the "alliance' of EK/F could be used effectively - a smaller a/c on the KUL-Aus sector, and freeing up the aircraft for EK to use on other routes.

I agree - given recent history of QF, the odds of this happening are virtually zero.

 

[markis10]

So if they've got 75% lf from DXB to Aus, it would leave around 100 seats KUL-MEL.

Rough maths? Is the flight daily? If so they are 50% of their available 100 seats (30 x 50 = 1500).

Given EK are so short of aircraft, it would be one area the "alliance' of EK/F could be used effectively - a smaller a/c on the KUL-Aus sector, and freeing up the aircraft for EK to use on other routes.

I agree - given recent history of QF, the odds of this happening are virtually zero.

The 75% is for all flights, not just via KUL, so its impossible to work out the through pax numbers on the KUL service. As for EK being short of aircraft, where are you getting that info, they are getting two 777s a week at present!

 

[docjames]

The 75% is for all flights, not just via KUL, so its impossible to work out the through pax numbers on the KUL service. As for EK being short of aircraft, where are you getting that info, they are getting two 777s a week at present!

Repeated comments from the CEO (as I head off to the google machine to look for quotes).

If they werent short of aircraft, would they need 2 777s a week?

 

[mannej]

Just because they are getting 2 x 777's a week doesn't mean they are short on aircraft - after all they may be planning on taking over the world at some stage!

 

[qfp]

Excess:

For tickets issued:- Before 2 May 2012 (regardless of travel date); or
- From 26 February 2013 for travel on or after 31 March 2013:^^
[TABLE="class: basic"]
[TR]
[TH]Destination[/TH]
[TH]Cost for each kg (AUD)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]International - between Australia and New Zealand, New Caledonia & Papua New Guinea[/TD]
[TD]$15 per kg[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD]International - between Australia and Asia[/TD]
[TD]$30 per kg[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]International - between Australia and Dubai[/TD]
[TD]$50 per kg[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt last"]
[TD]International - between Australia and South Africa, and Europe[/TD]
[TD]$60 per kg[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

IMO, The new Qantas arrangements for all destinations (except Americas) could lead to some expensive flights if you aren't aware of the changes and they are a SIGNIFICANT DOWNGRADE in privileges - NOT a "benefit" as Qantas describes it.


For example, if you were Platimum Status and were to arrive at the airport with 96kg (previous allowance) for an Economy flight to/from Asia, you would be charged $1380 because (under the new system) you would be 46kg overweight !!!
Double that price for Europe and you are looking at $2760


Or, for example, if you were Platimum Status and were to arrive at the airport with 96kg (previous allowance) for a Business flight to/from Asia, you would be charged $2040 because (under the new system) you would be 68kg overweight !!!
Double that price for Europe and you are looking at $4080

I couldn't find a summary anywhere so I decided to make my own.


From 26 February 2013 for travel on or after 31 March 2013+ the weight limits have gone DOWN in some cases SIGNIFICANTLY;


Qantas Club members and Silver Qantas Frequent Flyers
2 pieces (maximum 23kg (50lb) per piece) in Economy —-> 46kg DOWN to 42kg
3 pieces (maximum 23kg (50lb) per piece) in Premium Economy —-> 69kg DOWN to 52kg
3 pieces (maximum 32kg (70lb) per piece) in Business/First —-> 96kg DOWN to 62kg


Gold Qantas Frequent Flyers
2 pieces (maximum 32kg (70lb) per piece) in Economy —-> 64kg DOWN to 46kg
3 pieces (maximum 23kg (50lb) per piece) in Premium Economy —-> 69kg DOWN to 56kg
3 pieces (maximum 32kg (70lb) per piece) in Business/First —-> 96kg DOWN to 66kg


Platinum/Platinum One Qantas Frequent Flyers
3 pieces (maximum 32kg (70lb) per piece) in Economy —-> 96kg DOWN to 50kg
3 pieces (maximum 32kg (70lb) per piece) in Premium Economy —-> 96kg DOWN to 60kg
4 pieces (maximum 32kg (70lb) per piece) in Business —-> 128kg DOWN to 60kg
4 pieces (maximum 32kg (70lb) per piece) First —-> 128kg DOWN to 70kg


I realise that they have removed the piece system that some people disliked, but when weight limits are more than halved in some cases I think that is a serious backward step...

I just hope this helps some people avoid some massive excess fees…


I just spoke to Customer Care about this and even they weren't aware of the changes !!!

My recommendation is to call them on (02) 9691-3399 and let them know if you are unhappy about this. I was told that the more people that complain, the more likely they will do something...


You can also contact them using the web;
Customer Care | Qantas


Using this form;
Customer Care Feedback Form

 

[Must...Fly!]

It's a question of the rather meaningless number of kilograms and how practical each system is.

To me a weight-based system is much more practical, however obviously it is not as cheap in terms of excess. But it does make it a lot easier if you have multiple bags.

 

[cmon0005]

I'd suggest if you are carrying almost 100kgs of luggage for 1 person over multiple bags then you should probably be using freight and/or courier, not to mention how you are going to wheel 3-4 bags totaling 100kgs by yourself.
Over many years of traveling to all over the world, I've never had more than 25-28kg's in total at the start/end of my trips, that's on Holidays and work trips overseas thats even with gift shopping.
Even my wife (who does ALOT of shopping whilst on holidays) only manages to reach 30-35kgs.