QF/EK FF benefits revealed

[Kangol]

Regarding lounge access, are there any ports in the world where the EK lounge is better than the respective QF/OW lounge?
I'm guessing for an SG in Australian ports, the EK lounge may be on par with the int QF J lounge. Might be a quieter alternative to get away from all the J pax/QP members.
DFW maybe? AKL?

I *might* even try the EK lounge in MEL over the F lounge just to try it out!

• I think I read in the FAQ that Skywards Platinum and Gold members will have access to the Qantas Club in Australia domestic when flying in Economy on QF flights. There's no mention that Skywards Platinum can use the domestic Business Lounge.

• The normal pecking order for the spa appointments at the QF First Lounge are Platinum One and QF First Class passengers, then any other eligible F Lounge guests (who book upon entering the spa). What happens to those who are First Class passengers on flights which are not QF marketed & QF operated guests?

From here, it only mentions QP, not dom J:
https://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/policies/QFEKfaqs120213.pdf

56. If an Emirates Skywards member is travelling in Economy on the Qantas domestic network, will they have access to Qantas domestic lounges?
Only Skywards Platinum and Gold members will be eligible to use the Domestic Qantas Club lounges in Australia if travelling in Economy.

Since when did P1 get spa bookings in the F lounge? From the reports here, it says that they aren't eligible for bookings like F pax and CL are...

Are you talking about EK or BA F pax (ex-SYD)? My guess is that whatever is in place for BA F pax stays the same (don't know if they get spa bookings) and it's unlikely that EK F pax get spa bookings in the MEL or SYD F lounge. I haven't seen anything about EK F pax getting access to QF F lounges - the only ref to Australian ports is use of the ADL QF lounge:

Worldwide Lounges | Lounges | Emirates

 

[markis10]

Regarding lounge access, are there any ports in the world where the EK lounge is better than the respective QF/OW lounge?
I'm guessing for an SG in Australian ports, the EK lounge may be on par with the int QF J lounge. Might be a quieter alternative to get away from all the J pax/QP members.
DFW maybe? about EK F pax getting access to QF F lounges - the only ref to Australian ports is use of the ADL QF lounge

Brisbane for a start!

 

[BindiBratz]

Regarding lounge access, are there any ports in the world where the EK lounge is better than the respective QF/OW lounge?

That is so funny :shock: you have obviously not been to poor old Perth..!!! the Q lounge is appalling in contrast to the EK lounge

 

[anat0l]

Going back to baggage (because I do like to shop) my flight home is part EK (code and metal) and part QF (code and metal)...because I've already booked I don't get the extra allowance on Qantas, but wouldn't it have to match my EK leg allowance?

What is your itinerary like? I think for check-through baggage, it will generally come down to who you fly internationally on first (which basically entails the IATA MSC rules).

For example, if you have QF MEL-DXB followed by EK DXB-CDG, your baggage allowance will be according to whatever QF offer you (on MEL-DXB).

On the return, if you had the same kinds of flights, then it will be the EK allowance that holds (which is the same as what QF advise for codeshares, i.e. it will depend on the operator of the aircraft).

For those booked after the new baggage policies are in force, at least between which allowance applies to you, they should (in theory) be the same.

 

[wassie]

I've got a booking in Sep this year under EK MEL-DXB-NBO-DXB-AMM-DXB-SIN-MEL
I am thinking about to get a QC membership, will QC give me access to DXB Emirates Business lounge for all three times I transit in DXB? How about MEL and SIN?
What about the guest policy?
All my flights are booked with Emirates directly though...

Bump - Basically can you access the DXB Emirates Business lounge in economy with QC membership when travelling on a ticket booked with EK?

Would be great but sounds like a bit of a stretch - I would have thought you need to be travelling on a QF flight?

 

[TonyHancock]

I don't like to see FF's disadvantaged by changes to the program whether it impacts me or not, but I am really struggling to have sympathy over the changes to luggage allowance.

 

[anat0l]

Bump - Basically can you access the DXB Emirates Business lounge in economy with QC membership when travelling on a ticket booked with EK?

Would be great but sounds like a bit of a stretch - I would have thought you need to be travelling on a QF flight?

From what I can gather from the QC member access rules and the FAQ:

• You can access the EK Business Lounge in DXB if your next flight is with EK or QF.
• You can access the AA lounge in LHR T3 if your next flight is with EK or QF (going to DXB or Australia).
• With a QF marketed flight, you can access a partner lounge (basically only AA operated lounges) or associated lounge (according to the QF website).

That's how I understand things.

As it pretty much boils down, QP members will not have lounge access at airports which have no QC-registered associate lounges. That's pretty much all of Europe, for a start, except for London Heathrow (not London Gatwick!).

 

[Ansett]

I don't like to see FF's disadvantaged by changes to the program whether it impacts me or not, but I am really struggling to have sympathy over the changes to luggage allowance.

Hi Tony

With all due respect

Whilst I have never used the entire baggage allowance it is for me a matter of principle in that QF have quoted that the highest benefit would be the common benefit adapted by both airlines. This is clearly not the case here.

I do not see how QF can make a statement so clearly then not deliver what they committed to and not get backlash from its customer

 

[anat0l]

I don't like to see FF's disadvantaged by changes to the program whether it impacts me or not, but I am really struggling to have sympathy over the changes to luggage allowance.

From the first bits of feedback on this, I can tell you don't ski, snowboard, scuba dive, play golf with your own clubs overseas, or participate in extreme sports (except for binge drinking ... just kidding)....

With all due respect

Whilst I have never used the entire baggage allowance it is for me a matter of principle in that QF have quoted that the highest benefit would be the common benefit adapted by both airlines. This is clearly not the case here.

I do not see how QF can make a statement so clearly then not deliver what they committed to and not get backlash from its customer

You have got to be kidding me on the "matter of principle". The proof will always be in the practical side of things. Yes there are already raised disadvantages and so on (they are admittedly select cases, but important nonetheless).

Obviously you are citing the said backlash from the consumer because you are leading the charge on principle alone?

 

[IGetAround]

Unless I've missed something, it looks like access to the (currently closed) EK PS lounge at DXB will not be extended to QF PS.

 

[samh004]

Have been looking through the information, after not being too active of late, and have to say it doesn't look bad at all. Only sticking point for me is going from a piece to a weight system, but at least that doesn't affect my domestic flights.

I completely understand the thinking behind not giving SC's on EK-ticketed flights, otherwise there'd be no revenue for QF, I just hope that prices are more closely aligned at the appropriate time, as I've heard of some big discrepancies for QF numbers on EK metal, which is a shame.

 

[blackcat20]

What is your itinerary like? I think for check-through baggage, it will generally come down to who you fly internationally on first (which basically entails the IATA MSC rules).

For example, if you have QF MEL-DXB followed by EK DXB-CDG, your baggage allowance will be according to whatever QF offer you (on MEL-DXB).

On the return, if you had the same kinds of flights, then it will be the EK allowance that holds (which is the same as what QF advise for codeshares, i.e. it will depend on the operator of the aircraft).

For those booked after the new baggage policies are in force, at least between which allowance applies to you, they should (in theory) be the same.

Its FCO-DXB on emirates then DXB-MEL on Qantas. So I assume I can have 30kg the whole way otherwise I'd have to lose 7kg in transit... I'm on QF the whole way there but I plan to leave with a light suitcase.

 

[codash1099]

Hi Tony

With all due respect

Whilst I have never used the entire baggage allowance it is for me a matter of principle in that QF have quoted that the highest benefit would be the common benefit adapted by both airlines. This is clearly not the case here.

I do not see how QF can make a statement so clearly then not deliver what they committed to and not get backlash from its customer

It's not the first time, and I'm sure it won't be the last. Just remember not to make any plans on their promises - as with politicians, it's the actions that count.

(And if you think I'm equating the trustworthiness of QF and politicians, you're right!)

 

[anat0l]

Its FCO-DXB on emirates then DXB-MEL on Qantas. So I assume I can have 30kg the whole way otherwise I'd have to lose 7kg in transit... I'm on QF the whole way there but I plan to leave with a light suitcase.

On second thoughts, according to the Most Significant Carrier rule, you may be bound by QF's rules on the way back.

FCO-DXB is on EK but is in the same IATA zone; therefore the MSC will be the first carrier which crosses IATA zones, i.e. QF. See Baggage info - LAN.com

Could probably use an expert here to confirm this!

So sorry if I lead you up the path on this one. Wish I had better news.

It's not the first time, and I'm sure it won't be the last. Just remember not to make any plans on their promises - as with politicians, it's the actions that count.

Definitely.

(And if you think I'm equating the trustworthiness of QF and politicians, you're right!)

At least one of those can be terminated, via election, legal incarceration or physical force.

And... at least one of them does something - right or wrong - whereas the other has to resort to virtual bribery every three years before you see something done!

 

[whatmeworry]

Looking at some dummy runs to GER. The site gives the option of the DXB-GER leg to be on a EK number or in some instances the same leg on a QF number for $1 to $6 more... Should I save the money or go for the SC?

 

[Deleted member 18152]

I wonder if EK are looking to start a First Host service, ala QF, with the alignment of benefits and all.

 

[blackcat20]

On second thoughts, according to the Most Significant Carrier rule, you may be bound by QF's rules on the way back.

FCO-DXB is on EK but is in the same IATA zone; therefore the MSC will be the first carrier which crosses IATA zones, i.e. QF. See Baggage info - LAN.com

Could probably use an expert here to confirm this!

So sorry if I lead you up the path on this one. Wish I had better news.

No worries. I'll prob give QF a call anyway, seems a bit ridiculous that new bookings get 30kg but those of us who booked early get dudded.

 

[TonyHancock]

I wonder if EK are looking to start a First Host service, ala QF, with the alignment of benefits and all.

One can only hope they do it better than QF.

 

[docjames]

As always - haters going to hate!

I'm not sure if that was directed at me, if so I find that highly offensive. I certainly dont "hate" Qantas. I dislike that the fact that they talk constantly about premium, matching benefits etc then release something that's less than it could be. Not sure how that makes me a hater.

Frankly, I don't know why you would have expected otherwise, given QF has made it abundantly clear from the start that you would get points on all QF and EK flight numbers, but status credits on QF flight numbers only (including the codeshares on EK metal, which will cover all EK flights to Europe, Middle East and northern Africa).

They have delivered exactly what they promised. It's certainly not an "under delivery".

See above and also the quote below.

I would expect the disappointment stems from the commitment to 'honour the highest benefit of the two airlines" pledge.

That and "simplicity" would be a not unreasonable expectation. Instead there's variable points earn as well as the SC issue.

I suppose most people were envisioning something similar to VA/EY, where you can earn both status and redeemable credits irrespective of marketing or operating carriers - sure, the earn rates are slightly different depending on marketing carrier, but otherwise it doesn't matter.

Suffice to say I think QF being a member of oneworld is slightly handcuffed in this regard to offering SCs on EK flights. That is one of the reasons why some suggest the global alliance systems are more trouble than they are worth.

Part 1 of that - exactly. Part 2 - I dont believe OW influences this (or if it does, it shouldn't). Qantas have liberty to award SCs and FFPs within their own FF program how they see fit.

 

[Red Roo]

Children traveling with eligible members will be able to relax in The Emirates Lounges subject to capacity.

Bump - Red Roo - what is the children policy in EK Lounges. Are children under 18 considered guests in EK Lounges? Is there any alignment with the Qantas policy for children in Lounges?