QF's Asia announcement

[PLC]

They only had like 3 QFi flights a week before the announcement didn't they? It's hardly a thriving international airport, and they now have DXB daily to compensate.

Yes we were light on with QFi flights, but ADL has a pretty good international growth rate. That's why other international carriers have been INCREASING services to ADL.

 

[markis10]

Yes we were light on with QFi flights, but ADL has a pretty good international growth rate. That's why other international carriers have been INCREASING services to ADL.

Why bother with a city thats showing almost 10% growth in passengers??
[TABLE="width: 735"]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 7"]Table IV International Passenger Traffic through Australian International Airports (a) [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Airport[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]Year ended[/TD]
[TD]Year ended[/TD]
[TD]Year ended[/TD]
[TD]% of[/TD]
[TD]% Change[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]October 2010[/TD]
[TD]October 2011[/TD]
[TD]October 2012[/TD]
[TD]Total[/TD]
[TD]2012/11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sydney[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]11 365 393[/TD]
[TD]11 731 940[/TD]
[TD]12 215 469[/TD]
[TD]41.7%[/TD]
[TD]4.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Melbourne[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]5 756 073[/TD]
[TD]6 375 518[/TD]
[TD]6 752 323[/TD]
[TD]23.1%[/TD]
[TD]5.9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brisbane[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]4 253 864[/TD]
[TD]4 400 886[/TD]
[TD]4 489 280[/TD]
[TD]15.3%[/TD]
[TD]2.0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Perth[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]3 110 404[/TD]
[TD]3 317 511[/TD]
[TD]3 560 395[/TD]
[TD]12.2%[/TD]
[TD]7.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gold Coast[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 772 528[/TD]
[TD] 729 759[/TD]
[TD] 791 238[/TD]
[TD]2.7%[/TD]
[TD]8.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Adelaide[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 528 965[/TD]
[TD] 571 071[/TD]
[TD] 626 639[/TD]
[TD]2.1%[/TD]
[TD]9.7%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cairns[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 472 890[/TD]
[TD] 514 287[/TD]
[TD] 497 286[/TD]
[TD]1.7%[/TD]
[TD]-3.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Pushka]

The beginning of the end started a while ago. I wonder if the ACCC will pull the full authorisation? Sneaky releasing this announcement after getting the interim authorisation.

Bloody lying coughs

I was wondering the same thing too, as the cessation of Adelaide - Sin flights direct gives SQ carte blanche to up their price now as we have no other option. Loss of competition and all that?

Our flight has confirmed now as coming through Melbourne, an extra four hours.

 

[oz_mark]

Why bother with a city thats showing almost 10% growth in passengers??

It's much better to focus on those low growth east coast cities....

 

[mannej]

They only had like 3 QFi flights a week before the announcement didn't they? It's hardly a thriving international airport, and they now have DXB daily to compensate.

Not everyone wants to go to the UK or Europe. It is obvious that QF don't understand this (going by their FB responses). SIN does provide options that EK can't without a severe detour. The sam goes for PER and Losing HKG. I don't want to go to NRT via DXB when you can go via HKG etc.

To me it seems that the tunnel vision in management is getting worse.

 

[codash1099]

To Dubai only - what if you want to fly to/via Asia? All via the Eastern states. The problem was they only had 2 or flights to SIN a week on QF (from memory they had more flights at one stage, but cut them?) - if you wanted to fly at other times direct, you had to choose SQ. They seem to be doing ok - added yet more flights to cope with their loadings.

Sure the SYD-ADL vv leg was rarely full, so why didn't they just cut that leg instead? (81/82 still flies to SIN - but now from SYD.) They could have increased the other SYD-SIN flights to increase service from SYD, and just left the 81/82 as shuttle ADL-SIN run and added a flight or two maybe?

And if your flight to Asia was part of an xONEx, you now have an additional segment to account for. Just one more downside.

BTW, where is REDROO ?

 

[cmon0005]

Business concern as Qantas cuts Singapore link - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[jetlagger]

Good decision! *A would/will be my next loyalty program.

Good choice considering the precedent being set.
*A Has /is/will always be my preferred option.

 

[jetlagger]

BTW, where is REDROO ?

Perhaps he has gone to Gowings to get another flame retardant suit

 

[lovestotravel]

I am surprised that no one seems to have picked up the subtle(!) differences in wording between the ASX announcement and the QF media release.In the media release suggesting new 787 services it states Qantas Group 787s.Basically I assume that these new ports therefore mean new JQ services.
Again the cynic in me worries that by looking at HND as a new service does that mean QFi services to NRT will be replaced by JQ into HND?
Looking a lot like the beginning of the end for QFi.

It's even better that they are "looking at it" nothing firm just rubbish statements

Much like the A330 refurbishment which they are "looking at"

I doubt we'll ever see any 787's with the red roo logo on them

I am disgusted that JQ offloads the A330's to QF while JQ takes the new aircraft

Higher maintenance costs for QF to absorb and more delays/downtime/cancellations etc

While I am enjoying my new WP level for now, I know that in a few years it will be next to worthless

We can only hope the Virgin Australia get their act together with all their alliances so that benefits on VA are felt on all their other carriers they make you fly with

I would have no problem with Singapore/Etihad/Virgin America/Air NZ to travel around wherever I need to go, as long as luggage/lounge/check-in and all benefits are the same

Would be great to get VA in *Alliance... but not sure that will ever happen

I would love to see VA use those A330's which are too much for domestic runs, onto Asian runs in the next 12 months..

Of course they then need a subfleet of 737's with better business class for the MEL/SYD-PER runs and/or more A330's

 

[simongr]

Why bother with a city thats showing almost 10% growth in passengers??
[TABLE="width: 735"]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 7"]Table IV International Passenger Traffic through Australian International Airports (a) [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Airport[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]Year ended[/TD]
[TD]Year ended[/TD]
[TD]Year ended[/TD]
[TD]% of[/TD]
[TD]% Change[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]October 2010[/TD]
[TD]October 2011[/TD]
[TD]October 2012[/TD]
[TD]Total[/TD]
[TD]2012/11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sydney[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]11 365 393[/TD]
[TD]11 731 940[/TD]
[TD]12 215 469[/TD]
[TD]41.7%[/TD]
[TD]4.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Melbourne[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]5 756 073[/TD]
[TD]6 375 518[/TD]
[TD]6 752 323[/TD]
[TD]23.1%[/TD]
[TD]5.9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brisbane[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]4 253 864[/TD]
[TD]4 400 886[/TD]
[TD]4 489 280[/TD]
[TD]15.3%[/TD]
[TD]2.0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Perth[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]3 110 404[/TD]
[TD]3 317 511[/TD]
[TD]3 560 395[/TD]
[TD]12.2%[/TD]
[TD]7.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gold Coast[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 772 528[/TD]
[TD] 729 759[/TD]
[TD] 791 238[/TD]
[TD]2.7%[/TD]
[TD]8.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Adelaide[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 528 965[/TD]
[TD] 571 071[/TD]
[TD] 626 639[/TD]
[TD]2.1%[/TD]
[TD]9.7%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cairns[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 472 890[/TD]
[TD] 514 287[/TD]
[TD] 497 286[/TD]
[TD]1.7%[/TD]
[TD]-3.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

It's much better to focus on those low growth east coast cities....

Hmm focus on a location of low growth - % mean nothing when the growth year on year in Sydney was 500K vs total pax in ADL of 626K - Syd grew by almost the absolute total travellers in ADL. I know where I would be focussed as well.

Don't get me wrong - I am not defending the decision by QF and it baffles me as to why they can't make money out of the Perth boom but if you are going try and attack them based on growth stats I think that you might need to find a different argument.

 

[Supersonic Swinger]

Hmm focus on a location of low growth - % mean nothing when the growth year on year in Sydney was 500K vs total pax in ADL of 626K - Syd grew by almost the absolute total travellers in ADL. I know where I would be focussed as well.

Don't get me wrong - I am not defending the decision by QF and it baffles me as to why they can't make money out of the Perth boom but if you are going try and attack them based on growth stats I think that you might need to find a different argument.

Presumably the stats don't show how many international passengers at the other airports actually originate in Adelaide and their international entry/exit point is another airport because of the lack of direct international services to Adelaide?

 

[markis10]

Hmm focus on a location of low growth - % mean nothing when the growth year on year in Sydney was 500K vs total pax in ADL of 626K - Syd grew by almost the absolute total travellers in ADL. I know where I would be focussed as well.

Don't get me wrong - I am not defending the decision by QF and it baffles me as to why they can't make money out of the Perth boom but if you are going try and attack them based on growth stats I think that you might need to find a different argument.

Not necessarily, how much growth is coming from travellers now able to travel direct rather than connect via Sydney, thus inflating Sydney numbers, South Australia gets close to 700000 international visitors a year, factor in the locals and thats a lot of connection traffic.

To put things in perspective, a published TAM (total available market) on international travellers from SA and WA (4187034 pax) is serviced by one flight a day soon with a red roo, so if Qantas fill that plane they have achieved a market segment share of 3%?

Now who was it lamenting recently that Qantas carried so few a number of passengers ex Australia?

October stats for traffic at WA and SA:

[TABLE="width: 545"]
[TR]
[TD]Port[/TD]
[TD]Port[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Inbound[/TD]
[TD]Outbound[/TD]
[TD]Total[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Auckland[/TD]
[TD]Adelaide[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 2 909[/TD]
[TD] 3 138[/TD]
[TD] 6 047[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Denpasar[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 2 994[/TD]
[TD] 3 107[/TD]
[TD] 6 101[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hong Kong[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 3 231[/TD]
[TD] 2 063[/TD]
[TD] 5 294[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kuala Lumpur[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 6 818[/TD]
[TD] 4 661[/TD]
[TD] 11 479[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Singapore[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 14 770[/TD]
[TD] 10 001[/TD]
[TD] 24 771[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Total[/TD]
[TD]Adelaide[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 30 722[/TD]
[TD] 22 970[/TD]
[TD] 53 692[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Auckland[/TD]
[TD]Perth[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 7 935[/TD]
[TD] 7 779[/TD]
[TD] 15 714[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bandar Seri Begawan[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bangkok[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 6 295[/TD]
[TD] 5 265[/TD]
[TD] 11 560[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beijing[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 449[/TD]
[TD] 290[/TD]
[TD] 739[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Denpasar[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 42 128[/TD]
[TD] 38 636[/TD]
[TD] 80 764[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Doha[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 3 946[/TD]
[TD] 1 815[/TD]
[TD] 5 761[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dubai[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 20 421[/TD]
[TD] 12 125[/TD]
[TD] 32 546[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Guangzhou[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 2 115[/TD]
[TD] 1 329[/TD]
[TD] 3 444[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hong Kong[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 12 727[/TD]
[TD] 9 329[/TD]
[TD] 22 056[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jakarta[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 1 289[/TD]
[TD] 1 256[/TD]
[TD] 2 545[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Johannesburg[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 6 394[/TD]
[TD] 4 899[/TD]
[TD] 11 293[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kota Kinabalu[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kuala Lumpur[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 24 664[/TD]
[TD] 19 011[/TD]
[TD] 43 675[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mauritius[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 2 404[/TD]
[TD] 1 783[/TD]
[TD] 4 187[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]coughet[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 4 158[/TD]
[TD] 3 527[/TD]
[TD] 7 685[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Singapore[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 48 307[/TD]
[TD] 39 742[/TD]
[TD] 88 049[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Total[/TD]
[TD]Perth[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 183 232[/TD]
[TD] 146 786[/TD]
[TD] 330 018[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[nlagalle]

Whilst I don't agree with Qantas dropping routes (despite some of the comments seen here about defending Qantas), is perhaps the reason partially to do with a lack of aircraft needed to boost east coast services and retiring the 747-400's.

If that were the case, would there be anywhere they could source aircraft from quickly? Just curious.

 

[markis10]

Whilst I don't agree with Qantas dropping routes (despite some of the comments seen here about defending Qantas), is perhaps the reason partially to do with a lack of aircraft needed to boost east coast services and retiring the 747-400's.

If that were the case, would there be anywhere they could source aircraft from quickly? Just curious.

Lack of capacity is very much the reason I suspect, when you look at QF5/6 to FRA and its load, as discussed in other threads I find it hard to see how its not making money averaging over 70% full. I suspect QF have been looking at options to add wet leased aircraft, but the 787 issues have meant most of the suitable candidates suddenly have become unavailable.

With the changes to the MEL SIN flight to make it two class, I also think that points to capacity problems, OJD was perhaps going to retire earlier than is now thought.

 

[Alison Payton]

Hello new poster here. Thought I would take advantage of the experience of others.

We are booked on direct flights ADL - SIN in May which have now been cancelled as part of the new QANTAS Asia Strategy.

I called QANTAS and they could not tell me anything and said I needed to wait for an email. They could not tell me when it would come or what it would say.

We had booked the direct flights because we have two young children. What happens if they offer me flights, but we don't want them because we don't want to go via X< Y< or Z? Do they offer the option for a full refund or does it depend on your ticket conditions?

We would be happy to take a refund and re-book with Singapore Airlines as they offer the direct flights too.

Thanks for any insight you can offer, as QANTAS doesn't seem to be in a position to help me at the moment.

 

[markis10]

Hello new poster here. Thought I would take advantage of the experience of others.

We are booked on direct flights ADL - SIN in May which have now been cancelled as part of the new QANTAS Asia Strategy.

I called QANTAS and they could not tell me anything and said I needed to wait for an email. They could not tell me when it would come or what it would say.

We had booked the direct flights because we have two young children. What happens if they offer me flights, but we don't want them because we don't want to go via X< Y< or Z? Do they offer the option for a full refund or does it depend on your ticket conditions?

We would be happy to take a refund and re-book with Singapore Airlines as they offer the direct flights too.

Thanks for any insight you can offer, as QANTAS doesn't seem to be in a position to help me at the moment.

Welcome to AFF, a refund should not be an issue:

The following options are available to Qantas customers holding a valid ticket issued on/before 04 February 2013 for travel on/after 31 March 2013 affected by these changes.

For customers holding a Qantas (081) issued ticket:

Customers may, without fee:

• Re-route/Rebook travel
  • Rebook to an alternative Qantas flight or Qantas codeshare flight operated by Emirates
  • Re-route/rebook to alternative Qantas flights via the most direct routing on Qantas or Qantas codeshare flight operated by Emirates

• Change Destinations.
  The value of the existing ticket can be used towards the purchase of a new ticket. If the new fare is more expensive than the existing ticketed fare, the fare difference is payable by the customer. Applicable surcharges, fees and taxes may apply.

• Retain the value of the ticket in credit
  Retain the value of the ticket in credit for future travel within 12 months from the original ticketed date of departure. If the new fare is more expensive than the existing ticketed fare,
  the fare difference is payable by the customer. Applicable ticket surcharges, fees and taxes may apply.

• Refunds
  • For customers who have commenced their journey a refund of the affected sector(s) will be available
  • For customers who have not commenced their journey a full refund will be available.
  • Refund requests must be submitted no later than 30 May 2013.

 

[Baysider]

Hello new poster here. Thought I would take advantage of the experience of others.

We are booked on direct flights ADL - SIN in May which have now been cancelled as part of the new QANTAS Asia Strategy.

I called QANTAS and they could not tell me anything and said I needed to wait for an email. They could not tell me when it would come or what it would say.

We had booked the direct flights because we have two young children. What happens if they offer me flights, but we don't want them because we don't want to go via X< Y< or Z? Do they offer the option for a full refund or does it depend on your ticket conditions?

We would be happy to take a refund and re-book with Singapore Airlines as they offer the direct flights too.

Thanks for any insight you can offer, as QANTAS doesn't seem to be in a position to help me at the moment.

If the flight has been cancelled you are legally entitled to a full refund.

 

[Alison Payton]

Thank you Markis10. How do I know if we have 081 issued tickets (that is probably a really dumb question on this forum LOL). We have tickets issued direct by QANTAS for 25 May, returning 06 June, so I assume this includes us.

I really appreciate the information provided.

 

[markis10]

Thank you Markis10. How do I know if we have 081 issued tickets (that is probably a really dumb question on this forum LOL). We have tickets issued direct by QANTAS for 25 May, returning 06 June, so I assume this includes us.

I really appreciate the information provided.

081 is ticket stock from Qantas!