QF's Asia announcement

[Pushka]

and one is far superior in just about every respect, and the price is the same, they choose the better product. And if the inferior product goes then it's no great loss. QF is not serious about providing a decent service - their business class seats on their A330s are an example of that. It doesn't really make sense to mourn the loss of QF when there are better options waiting to be taken, and QF has made absolutely zero effort to try and keep your business. it's not even like they are trying their hardest and deserve loyalty.

Unless you happen to belong to QP and have Platinum status with Qantas and have no similar status with SQ? In which case you dont add to points, status credits, preferred seating etc etc.

And if you say that means to join SQ FF is rather pointless when you also do a lot of domestic travel.

So it means quite a bit more than you think but unless you are from Adelaide or Perth then of course it's easy for you to brush it off as you're not the least bit affected.

 

[ajw373]

SQ can support twice daily flights to Singapore from Adelaide. Are they better at business than Qantas? And I guess only someone not based in Adelaide or Perth could say, so what.

Even in other cities SQ (and CX in Hong Kong) have far greater frequencies. But the reason is simple which is Singapore and Hong Kong are their respective hub ports where they can distribute those passengers onwards to. Qantas being based in Australia has no network to feed in to. They wanted to create one, but just look at all the hoo ha that went with that, oddly from many on this very board. I say oddly because many hate Qantas feeding into Jetstar Asia but objected to them building a full service carrier in Asia for what ever reason. So another no win situation for Qantas.

 

[Pushka]

If Qantas couldn't make a profit out of the fully booked thrice weekly service to Singapore from Adelaide then there is not much hope for the rest then, is there.

 

[ajw373]

Unless you happen to belong to QP and have Platinum status with Qantas and have no similar status with SQ? In which case you dont add to points, status credits, preferred seating etc etc.

And if you say that means to join SQ FF is rather pointless when you also do a lot of domestic travel.

Could always join Virgin, they are in bed with Singapore and other airlines now

So it means quite a bit more than you think but unless you are from Adelaide or Perth then of course it's easy for you to brush it off as you're not the least bit affected.

Oh boo bloody hoo, poor Adelaide and Perth, so hard done by. Now before you go me, I live in Canberra where we have no international flights.

 

[Pushka]

Could always join Virgin, they are in bed with Singapore and other airlines now



Oh boo bloody hoo, poor Adelaide and Perth, so hard done by. Now before you go me, I live in Canberra where we have no international flights.

We tried virgin and they don't provide business flight times to Adelaide. I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your post as it's rather pathetic. If that is the best you can say then your argument doesn't have much cred.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Unless you happen to belong to QP and have Platinum status with Qantas and have no similar status with SQ? In which case you dont add to points, status credits, preferred seating etc etc.

And if you say that means to join SQ FF is rather pointless when you also do a lot of domestic travel.

So it means quite a bit more than you think but unless you are from Adelaide or Perth then of course it's easy for you to brush it off as you're not the least bit affected.

that's the whole point. They have attracted people with FF programs, and some feel tied to those programs. Fair enough, I understand that and in many cases it is a big investment to reach and retain status. But since I lost my status I've never looked back. I don't fly economy, so preferred seating doesn't mean much. And you are free to get the best fare at the best time with the best service possible. Now that QF is shafting ADL and PER, seems perfect opportunity to give up the sole benefit of getting row 23 in emerald city (if you fly economy) and move to a better airline!

 

[ajw373]

We tried virgin and they don't provide business flight times to Adelaide. I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your post as it's rather pathetic. If that is the best you can say then your argument doesn't have much cred.

What exactly is a business flight time? As for the rest of my comment, read it as you will, but going people (not me others) that they won't understand because they don't live in Adelaide and Perth doesn't have much cred. Anyway at least you have international flights, unlike Canberra.

 

[opusman]

Qantas scraps international flights out of Adelaide

Guess this means the end of F-lounging via QF81 SYD-ADL

Adelaide now Qantas no-fly zone | adelaidenow

 

[Pushka]

Flights leaving around/after 7pm on a Friday from Melbourne are business timed flights for example. Last year when we looked at Virgin, the last flight out of Melbourne was 6pm approx. That prevents anyone working a normal business day in Melbourne getting to the airport. Lots of flights during the day but not right for productive business.

And you misunderstood why I said you had no cred. Has nothing to do with where you live but what you use as a discussion point.

 

[Hvr]

Re: Qantas scraps international flights out of Adelaide

Guess this means the end of F-lounging via QF81 SYD-ADL

Adelaide now Qantas no-fly zone | adelaidenow

For domestic runs yes but for international flights as you would know it can be better.

As a former CBR resident it was always good to book an international flight with several hours in either MEL or SYD to enjoy the FLounge.

 

[ajw373]

Flights leaving around/after 7pm on a Friday from Melbourne are business timed flights for example. Last year when we looked at Virgin, the last flight out of Melbourne was 6pm approx. That prevents anyone working a normal business day in Melbourne getting to the airport. Lots of flights during the day but not right for productive business.

And you misunderstood why I said you had no cred. Has nothing to do with where you live but what you use as a discussion point.

Oh so an equivalent would be Qantas new timings into Asia. They are so much better for the business traveller than the previous times which were based on connections to Europe. Yet looking above you said that was bad. So guess really what you want is for an airline to fly exactly where you want exactly when you want, rather than an airline providing a service that provides the best overall service for the most number of people.

PS I do think Adelaide has been shafted by Qantas by the dropping of flights to Singapore, not so sure about Perth and Hong Kong. But don't think the tie with Emirates for flights to Europe is such a bad thing, especially when you consider the number of people already freely flying Emirates out of Australia.

 

[Pushka]

I'm talking domestic flights for business times as we were discussing the pros and cons of using virgin v Qantas.

 

[ajw373]

I'm talking domestic flights for business times as we were discussing the pros and cons of using virgin v Qantas.

So why is international any different. As I said you are against the retiming as they give poor connections to BA and CX to Europe on the one hand, but on the other you are against non business friendly timings with another airline. Now one airline has re-timed Asia to be more business friendly and you are against it.

 

[eastwest101]

Unless you happen to belong to QP and have Platinum status with Qantas and have no similar status with SQ? In which case you dont add to points, status credits, preferred seating etc etc.

And if you say that means to join SQ FF is rather pointless when you also do a lot of domestic travel.

So it means quite a bit more than you think but unless you are from Adelaide or Perth then of course it's easy for you to brush it off as you're not the least bit affected.

First of all Pushka - most on here are very sympathetic to the plight of the folks in ADL and PER - including me. You have QP and QF Plat membership so you have obviously shown Qantas a fair bit of loyalty over the years. You can see now how Qantas value that loyalty. So that is an excellent reason to think about reducing your risk/eliminating the golden handcuffs with QFF. I know that VA is far from perfect yet, but with some earning and burning compatibility with their partners of Ethiad, Delta, Singapore Airlines and Air New Zealand then I would at least be considering them. I know without a status match it feels like starting again from square one but its maybe worth a look, or even some other alliance or partnership that suits you.

The alternative is to wait until QF enhance/improve themselves to death in the future and then you will have to either fly Jetstar or consider one of the other alternatives that are above......

 

[markis10]

Oh so an equivalent would be Qantas new timings into Asia. They are so much better for the business traveller than the previous times which were based on connections to Europe. Yet looking above you said that was bad. So guess really what you want is for an airline to fly exactly where you want exactly when you want, rather than an airline providing a service that provides the best overall service for the most number of people.

The Qantas retimings are the absolute worst for those with business in Asia, not better, as someone who used to report to Singapore and Hong Kong and commute every fortnight, I can say the preference for those in similar position is to do as much work as you can, hop on a plane and still have a bed to look forward to, you get that at 5 PM ex east coast, at 9AM all you get is a day of being incommunicado, work waiting for an overdue response when you land and the same bed!

 

[Pushka]

Yes east west. You are correct of course but we were loyal with Ansett first so starting again is a pain. It's ok, I'm just venting because we lost our direct flight in July. It adds four hours on an overnight flight. A few months ago we paid a penalty of 8000 points to change our flight from Melbourne transit to the Adelaide direct flight and now we are back on it again.

Golden handcuffs is right. I think what also peeves me are people not affected by this saying it doesn't matter. As opposed to your post which is positive. Thx!

 

[ajw373]

The Qantas retimings are the absolute worst for those with business in Asia, not better, as someone who used to report to Singapore and Hong Kong and commute every fortnight, I can say the preference for those in similar position is to do as much work as you can, hop on a plane and still have a bed to look forward to, you get that at 5 PM ex east coast, at 9AM all you get is a day of being incommunicado, work waiting for an overdue response when you land and the same bed!

You must operate in different circles to me. Where I work we prefer to be able to get to a location such as Singapore at a decent hour, get a decent dinner to help adjust the body clock followed by a decent night sleep and then go to work refreshed the next day. An early departure is not that important as even with a 5pm departure half the day, and in some cases the whole day is already wasted, then you get to Singapore at stupid o'clock, have little sleep and then try to do a day of quality work.

The 10-11am SQ service is always pack, so many must think the same.

 

[ajw373]

... I think what also peeves me are people not affected by this saying it doesn't matter. As opposed to your post which is positive. Thx!

There you go with the boo hoo poor Adelaide and Perth thing again. As I said there are others, plenty of places actually in the country which don't have direct flights, including where I come from.

 

[atreides]

If SIN is important, I really don't see a possibility other than VA. We had a good run in PER for QF, but let's face it, they have abandoned us and we have no choice but to move on. Crying won't change anything anymore.

I've cancelled my next three bookings with QF today and moved them to TG and VA. What else am I supposed to do? I guess I could keep flying QF DOM to keep my OWE, but I am loathed to give them any business right now. Besides, it really wouldn't surprised me if QF isn't a part of OW in the future anyway.

I would be bloddy impressed with VA if they offered SA and WA residents a status match offer.

 

[eastwest101]

Golden handcuffs is right. I think what also peeves me are people not affected by this saying it doesn't matter. As opposed to your post which is positive. Thx!

Being burnt by the collapse of Ansett should only increase your resolve to decrease your risk in the future.

Oh and ADL does matter indeed just like PER - I agree with you. You only have to look at the example of OOL to see how the whole process works. QF tried to Jetstarize Coolongatta and fortunately DJ was around at the time and so quite a few people made the deliberate choice of flying DJ and then supporting the change from LCC to a more upmarket but not perfect product. VA then acquired a customer base and presumably made enough profits to force QF to react to this.

End result was two full service carriers and maybe 1 or 2 domestic LCCs all competing in this market - which is a win for all the people at OOL. Heck - even they can fly direct to Singapore although it is on Scoot!

If I were head of loyalty at Velocity I would be drafting a targetted Status Match for WA and SA residents right now.