Red Roo - No more F to HKG = No more A380/Skybed Mark 1?

[hutch]

I think you will find it will go A330 and the ERs will be used for BNE-DFW early next year.

It makes some sense, but I have my doubts this will occur next year (if ever).

 

[hutch]

...Thinking about QF scheduling, there are 9x744 that have been refurbished. These aircraft would be enough to cover all remaining 747 routes with the exception of SYD-HKG, and finally provide a consistent product across the A380/B747 fleet.
- BNE-LAX 2xaircraft
- SYD-LAX-JFK 2xaircraft
- SYD-SCL 1xaircraft
- SYD-JNB/NRT 3xaircraft
- Spare 1xaircraft (I assume this aircraft would cover A380 substitutions, provide slack in the schedules, and allow for seasonal flight increases to SCL in particular)...

Since the NRT 747 sits in Tokyo all day, I think it uses closer to 2 x 747 to cover this route.

 

[Isochronous]

Since the NRT 747 sits in Tokyo all day, I think it uses closer to 2 x 747 to cover this route.

That 747 should run a NRT-ICN tag to give a proper oneworld/QF option between Australia and South Korea, and to utilise the asset more effectively.

 

[Mr_Orange]

I wonder how much of the J/Y+ Cabin is connecting from BNE/MEL for the superior hard product through?

I have, and was going to again later this year, connected from BNE for the PE cabin ex-SYD.

 

[Mattg]

I've done a few calculations. If 12 A380s were available all of the time, then it would be possible to maintain all of the current A380 routes, including QF7/8 and QF127/128, daily.

However, if we assume that one A380 was always unavailable due to maintenance etc. then with the current schedules, and assuming QF94 is able to quickly turnaround as QF93, then it would only be possible for the A380 to operate SYD-HKG-SYD 2 days per week on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, which are hardly the most ideal days.

In the short term, I suspect QF may operate the A380 to HKG on those two days per week, and if they happen to have all 12 aircraft available then perhaps a few more days, with the rest (or perhaps even all) operated by 747s with F - they will still have two for a little while (OJM and OEB) which aren't being permanently used on other routes.

In the long term though (2015 onwards, or once the non-refurb'ed 747s are retired) I think the most likely course will be for Qantas to operated refurbished 747s on the route, which unfortunately does mean no F. Unless of course they take delivery of 1 or 2 more A380s.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Didn't AJ said no more new planes?

 

[BD1959]

Didn't AJ said no more new planes?

What hasn't AJ said at some point??

Regards,

BD

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Didn't AJ said no more new planes?

At the moment there is an additional 6 A380 on order, the deliveries have been put back (more than once I think) but they are still on order

 

[vantage03]

I'm unsure as to whether QF will pull First from the SYD-HKG route, they've come out previously saying how well it does being the only way to fly F to HKG... and dropping it opens up to CX introducing a new First possibility for the Kangaroo Route which is the last thing QF needs.

 

[markis10]

I'm unsure as to whether QF will pull First from the SYD-HKG route, they've come out previously saying how well it does being the only way to fly F to HKG... and dropping it opens up to CX introducing a new First possibility for the Kangaroo Route which is the last thing QF needs.

Its pulled because QF dont have the aircraft to operate it, with the 744s featuring F heading to the desert, first one next week.

 

[gwilli1]

By having a BNE-DFW service ,therefore taking away from BNE-LAX , wouldn't this compromise loads on the 107/108 LAX-JFK tag ? Does the potential drop in pax , still make this tag viable with the freight as you alluded to in another thread ?

Yes, move traffic from LAX.

 

[markis10]

By having a BNE-DFW service ,therefore taking away from BNE-LAX , wouldn't this compromise loads on the 107/108 LAX-JFK tag ? Does the potential drop in pax , still make this tag viable with the freight as you alluded to in another thread ?

DFW-BNE has not impacted the service to date yet BNE passengers have made up half of the current passengers on average. Its expected to operate only a few days a week while it finds its feet.

 

[gwilli1]

So the majority of pax currently on the JFK-LAX 108 tag would have been mostly SYD & MEL pax , while QF8 operated direct to BNE ? Any idea on what loads have been like on QF16 LAX-BNE since QF8 was introduced ?

Apologies for the slight off topic convo on this thread re potential BNE-DFW
.

DFW-BNE has not impacted the service to date yet BNE passengers have made up half of the current passengers on average. Its expected to operate only a few days a week while it finds its feet.

 

[markis10]

So the majority of pax currently on the JFK-LAX 108 tag would have been mostly SYD & MEL pax , while QF8 operated direct to BNE ? Any idea on what loads have been like on QF16 LAX-BNE since QF8 was introduced ?

Apologies for the slight off topic convo on this thread re potential BNE-DFW
.

QF16 dropped by around 30 seats a service year on year.

 

[ketsuzei]

Its pulled because QF dont have the aircraft to operate it, with the 744s featuring F heading to the desert, first one next week.

Do you have a rough date for when they will run out of suitable planes?

 

[markis10]

Do you have a rough date for when they will run out of suitable planes?

I dont expect the 744s with F to last the year, if they do early next year they are gone anyway.

 

[shannan94]

it would only be possible for the A380 to operate SYD-HKG-SYD 2 days per week on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, which are hardly the most ideal days.

IIRC Qantas was operating the A380 every day SYD-HKG earlier this year over the peak period so they surely must have a fair bit of pax around that time on the midweek flights (not implying they do at any other time though). Will be interesting to see if that happens again next year.

 

[MarcB]

DFW-BNE has not impacted the service to date yet BNE passengers have made up half of the current passengers on average. Its expected to operate only a few days a week while it finds its feet.

This would be a great addition to the QF route map. markis, are you speculating on this development, or do you know someone who knows someone??

 

[eastwest101]

IIRC Qantas was operating the A380 every day SYD-HKG earlier this year over the peak period so they surely must have a fair bit of pax around that time on the midweek flights (not implying they do at any other time though). Will be interesting to see if that happens again next year.

As far as SYD-HKG goes - with VS now gone and QF cutting back on capacity and stopping F and Y+ seats the CX yield managers will be sending Xmas cards and gift baskets out to VS and QF management, if CX couldn't make $$ at that point then they never will.

 

[yohy?!]

seemed like the qf strategy on the 128 was to pick up as much through traffic from partners as possible - MU, AF etc im guessing to try and make up for the hole from BA and CX and SQ running rings around them at both ends of the market (premium for CX and budget for scoot and SQ connecting at SIN).

slowdown in china may have had a big impact.