RewardPay Alternatives

[albyd]

I registered for Payment Logic over the weekend. They're however Amex only. Their tiered structure is too pricey for my liking (tax deductible payments might be ok). Looks like an improvement on RP and might give us some hope @ferni might be able to strike a better deal Here's the rate sheet they sent me.

Individual Payments​
From​		To​	Rate Excluding GST​
$0.00​		$29,999.99​	2.15%​
$30,000.00​		$99,999.99​	2.10%​
$100,000.00​		$499,999.99​	1.99%​
$500,000.00​		$999,999.99​	1.89%​
$1,000,000.00​		$1,999,999.99​	1.79%​
$2,000,000.00​			1.69%​

They do have a Visa/MC service (yakpay) with more reasonable rates and you use the same login details which they've said the merchant fee is set at:
Visa and/or MasterCard processing payments 1% ex GST for Visa and 1.2% ex GST for MasterCard. Looks like EBP will have to reconsider some of their recent fee hike.

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Only worth it now if they start accepting Amex..

Cost / value analysis will always vary user to user - still value to me for all the business exps where supplier does not have merch facility or charge higher merch fees than 1.3%

 

[kpc]

Only worth it now if they start accepting Amex..

....and I'm sure the surcharge for Amex will be much higher!

 

[daft009]

Cost / value analysis will always vary user to user - still value to me for all the business exps where supplier does not have merch facility or charge higher merch fees than 1.3%

If only they made getting the invoice automatic like the others.. Can't find that option

 

[Jstr]

Guys, what's this "@ferni" business? I have read a couple of times now. As far as I can tell, Ferni is a user here on AFF? And he runs a separate business similar to RP but with lower rates? Is this legitimate? Complete with tax invoices and everything? Online payment gateway?

 

[get me outta here]

Is anything good (as ebp was), for Amex use to pay DEFT of around $8K? I don't see ebp offering an Amex option.
(It's prob a one off for me to qualify for an Amex sign on bonus).

 

[ferni]

I registered for Payment Logic over the weekend. They're however Amex only. Their tiered structure is too pricey for my liking (tax deductible payments might be ok). Looks like an improvement on RP and might give us some hope @ferni might be able to strike a better deal Here's the rate sheet they sent me.

Individual Payments​
From​		To​	Rate Excluding GST​
$0.00​		$29,999.99​	2.15%​
$30,000.00​		$99,999.99​	2.10%​
$100,000.00​		$499,999.99​	1.99%​
$500,000.00​		$999,999.99​	1.89%​
$1,000,000.00​		$1,999,999.99​	1.79%​
$2,000,000.00​			1.69%​

They do have a Visa/MC service (yakpay) with more reasonable rates and you use the same login details which they've said the merchant fee is set at:

Visa and/or MasterCard processing payments 1% ex GST for Visa and 1.2% ex GST for MasterCard. Looks like EBP will have to reconsider some of their recent fee hike.

The only price bracket they beat us on is 2m + transaction..... I wonder how many of those they get?

 

[albyd]

Bugger all I’d expect. It’s a Clayton’s discount.

 

[maccaisking]

Guys, what's this "@ferni" business? I have read a couple of times now. As far as I can tell, Ferni is a user here on AFF? And he runs a separate business similar to RP but with lower rates? Is this legitimate? Complete with tax invoices and everything? Online payment gateway?

Not sure about invoices as I haven’t needed them, but I had no issues using Ferni for some large amounts.

 

[Tommo_Aus]

Can these services (payment logic, B2bpay) be used for a payment as an individual? I have an ATO payment to make after some capital gains and am applying for the Qantas ultimate amex card, I'd like to put this payment towards my min spend and collect the full 1.25ppd if possible.

 

[daft009]

tried yakpay for the first time today with my Visa.
very smooth
they do require ABN to signup though

 

[get me outta here]

I used the @ferni method so that I could use my Amex Ultimate for the same reason you say here. Using Amex is not cheap, but the bonus will be paid quickly.
His site is called https://www.billcardboom.com.au/faq/BillCardBoom_UserGuide.pdf

Can these services (payment logic, B2bpay) be used for a payment as an individual? I have an ATO payment to make after some capital gains and am applying for the Qantas ultimate amex card, I'd like to put this payment towards my min spend and collect the full 1.25ppd if possible.

 

[Bell21]

I haven't used ferni yet, but I don't think there's any doubt currently that he has the cheapest approach re AMEX- it's 1.95% including GST

 

[edman]

Does anyone using these services have any concerns on payments being passed on to the eventual beneficiary? Not sure on the chargeback options, but given a number of frauds involving accountants taking payments for tax/bas and not passing these payments on, I am curious as to how users consider the risk.

Have used multiple payment processors in the past, and will continue to, just genuinely wanting to hear the opinion of others.

 

[albyd]

@ferni processes using PayPal so have the PayPal protections in addition to what Amex May offer in the event of a dispute. I’ve used @ferni and have been happy. Been using EBP and signed up for YakPay (not yet made my first payment) since Amex deval.

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Earn rate for AMEX Plat now 1.125pts / $1 is it not? So ferni rate through AMEX would effectively be $0.0173 / pt or am I missing something?

 

[Bell21]

Earn rate for AMEX Plat now 1.125pts / $1 is it not? So ferni rate through AMEX would effectively be $0.0173 / pt or am I missing something?

I have it as $0.0158 / point (since the $1.95 is GST inclusive), but then further reduces to $0.0114... pending your tax rate for business expenses

 

[Cruiser Elite]

And how does that then compare to YP with St G at 1.1% for .825pts eff earn?

I am just trying to work out how using an AMEX is eff v Visa

 

[Bell21]

From memory, YP (a new acronym for us!) is 1.1% gst incl, which is $0.0121, or $0.00878 cents for business expenses - it's an interesting comparison - it depends whether you value KF or flexible reward points! I'd love to use Diners via ferni, but paypal charges an annoying 3% fx fee which ruins the value, so I'm stuck with b2bpay for that

 

[daft009]

my calculations are not matching with @Bell21
where am I going wrong?!?

payment amount	10000​	$
surcharge	1.1​	%
points per dollar	0.825​
points earnt	8250​
surcharge paid	110​	$
points earnt on surcharge	90.75​
cost of 1 point	0.013333​	without surcharge points
cost of 1 point	0.013188​	with surcharge points

Earn rate for AMEX Plat now 1.125pts / $1 is it not? So ferni rate through AMEX would effectively be $0.0173 / pt or am I missing something?

If i put CE's values above it matches, so my calculator seems right

payment amount	10000​	$
surcharge	1.95​	%
points per dollar	1.125​
points earnt	11250​
surcharge paid	195​	$
points earnt on surcharge	219.375​
cost of 1 point	0.017333​	without surcharge points
cost of 1 point	0.017002​	with surcharge points