Shades up or down?

[dajop]

Just fly on a 787 that solves this problem :shock:

No shades to put up or down. Even in full brightness mode the glare is minimal.

 

[kevrosmith]

Having the window shade up is just - well, leaving things as they are when you board. And at a guess other than regular flyers as on AFF then most wouldn't even think about it. Doesn't make them selfish or ignorant.

Though frequent flyers from the USA, for example, would probably notice it strange in Australia that all the window shades are up when you board. It doesn't seem to be a requirement in the States for the window shades be open for take-off and landing, and IME, a majority of the windows shades are closed on boarding, and those that aren't closed, soon are as people board.

Me personally, I prefer to close the window shade if there's bright light, and often politely ask people to close the window shade. I must admit that I find it a bit difficult when people are not aware of their surroundings, and it'd be nice to think, from my perspective at least, that those who have the direct access to the window and (as such, control of it) would be able to look around and consider what the sunlight is doing and its impact on those around them, including across the aisle etc. Of course, I'm not naive to think that everyone has spatial awareness around them, we are, after all, unique and individual people.

 

[boomy]

Sorry but I beg to differ. Putting feet where others eat is never ok in a public area. Talking loudly on a mobile phone is also generally recognised as a social taboo. Having the window shade up is just - well, leaving things as they are when you board. And at a guess other than regular flyers as on AFF then most wouldn't even think about it. Doesn't make them selfish or ignorant.

It all depends how you look at things. Personally I couldn't care less about pax who put their feet in awkward places because I can just look away and mind my own business but I am bothered when I can't enjoy a movie on the screen in front of me. Anyway, it's not big deal and all just 1st world problems really

 

[Kefci2000]

Re: What the best seat(s) to choose in First class on A380?

Had the other blokes refused to lower his blinds, I'd be stuffed - uncomfortable but couldn't do much either.

Can see a bit of buffo coming on.......

i would be be very dark if I politely requested closed blinds and was refused.

i can snore really loudly and cough flem on demand when required

 

[Hvr]

Re: What the best seat(s) to choose in First class on A380?

Can see a bit of buffo coming on.......

i would be be very dark if I politely requested closed blinds and was refused.

i can snore really loudly and cough flem on demand when required

So you'd be ruder and more offensive than the person who failed to comply with your demands to improve your comfort?

Oh and it's 'phlegm'.

 

[UP4014]

Re: What the best seat(s) to choose in First class on A380?

I don't get people who keep the blinds open long after takeoff. There is nothing to see outside so why not shut them as courtesy to other pax who want to sleep or watch TV.

I prefer the blinds open, it's often relaxing like an afternoon nap in the sunroom and very agreeable with a glass of something chilled.

matt

 

[JohnPhelan]

Re: What the best seat(s) to choose in First class on A380?

It's funny that "blinds closed" brigade always say the blinds should be closed to allow others to be comfortable (for movies or sleep or whatever). But what about someone who is uncomfortable because the blind is closed?

Doesn't their comfort matter?

Or is your comfort more important than theirs? In which case, you're just being selfish and want other people to fit in with your preference. Which is fine, but have the honesty to say so.

 

[Pushka]

Though frequent flyers from the USA, for example, would probably notice it strange in Australia that all the window shades are up when you board. It doesn't seem to be a requirement in the States for the window shades be open for take-off and landing, and IME, a majority of the windows shades are closed on boarding, and those that aren't closed, soon are as people board.

Me personally, I prefer to close the window shade if there's bright light, and often politely ask people to close the window shade. I must admit that I find it a bit difficult when people are not aware of their surroundings, and it'd be nice to think, from my perspective at least, that those who have the direct access to the window and (as such, control of it) would be able to look around and consider what the sunlight is doing and its impact on those around them, including across the aisle etc. Of course, I'm not naive to think that everyone has spatial awareness around them, we are, after all, unique and individual people.

But in this case some are talking about people in the row behind them. How on earth are you supposed to think about that?

I do prefer as default to have the blinds open if it isn't bright and sunny on that side. I do like to look out if I'm on the window side. Even if there's "nothing to see". I'm slightly claustrophobic.

I'd close it if asked.

I remember on a flight to Perth with my mother in last row of J with no curtain behind for Y. My mother's headrest was up. The person behind asked the attendant to put the headrest down as he could not see the TV. The thing is, in the seat next to her in J, I couldn't see the TV either unless I leant right over her in the window seat or half stood. I'm not short it was just bad design/placement. But she put her headrest down and I still didn't get to see the movie. The two issues are unrelated but interesting.

 

[legroom]

Interesting definition of 'selfish' indeed.

I wonder why movie theatres are pitch black apart from the projector and the odd lights on the steps.

Never mind that at 30,000 ft there is zip to be 'admired' from the blindingly bright light wells aka windows.

Never mind that cabin lights are full on in addition to reading / dining lights. Note that cabin lights themselves will be dimmed & switched off too. Would the 'light-deficient' brigade then ask for cabin lights to be back on for their 'comfort' ?

Never mind the obvious design deficiency of the QF F cabin which remains the starting point for this thread [see the photo upthread ?]

I'm not aware that there is a category of people who enjoys looking at 2-3 wells of BLINDINGLY bright light wells (sunroom analogy is misleading).

Do they need that much lumens to read the wine list ?

Public space involves compromises - sometimes.

I have the honesty to wish to be able to watch a movie or two without being partially blinded from the white background. Name for us the things you cannot do when the blinds are lowered at 30,000 ft with the sun beating down on you AND there is zip to be seen, let alone 'admired' or photographed.

Could I guess what that is ?........ ".... I want to do whatever I wish to do.... Bugger all ...."

People, do not debate with the wrong assumptions: something to see / photo, sun on other side, TV screens located against the light wells, free to access cabin lights .....

As the OP, I have stayed on topic ie QF F light wells stopping me from enjoying the provided screen. Could you ?

It's funny that "blinds closed" brigade always say the blinds should be closed to allow others to be comfortable (for movies or sleep or whatever). But what about someone who is uncomfortable because the blind is closed?

Doesn't their comfort matter?

Or is your comfort more important than theirs? In which case, you're just being selfish and want other people to fit in with your preference. Which is fine, but have the honesty to say so.

 

[markis10]

Interesting definition of 'selfish' indeed.

I wonder why movie theatres are pitch black apart from the projector and the odd lights on the steps.

Never mind that at 30,000 ft there is zip to be 'admired' from the blindingly bright light wells aka windows.

Never mind that cabin lights are full on in addition to reading / dining lights. Note that cabin lights themselves will be dimmed & switched off too. Would the 'light-deficient' brigade then ask for cabin lights to be back on for their 'comfort' ?

Never mind the obvious design deficiency of the QF F cabin which remains the starting point for this thread [see the photo upthread ?]

I'm not aware that there is a category of people who enjoys looking at 2-3 wells of BLINDINGLY bright light wells (sunroom analogy is misleading).

Do they need that much lumens to read the wine list ?

Public space involves compromises - sometimes.

I have the honesty to wish to be able to watch a movie or two without being partially blinded from the white background. Name for us the things you cannot do when the blinds are lowered at 30,000 ft with the sun beating down on you AND there is zip to be seen, let alone 'admired' or photographed.

Could I guess what that is ?........ ".... I want to do whatever I wish to do.... Bugger all ...."

People, do not debate with the wrong assumptions: something to see / photo, sun on other side, TV screens located against the light wells, free to access cabin lights .....

I have had a few flights where there has been plenty to look at out the window at 40000 feet, never mind 30000. If you find open blinds a problem, then all I can suggest is that you put yourself in the position where you can do something about it, and preselect the window seat.

 

[Pushka]

I have had a few flights where there has been plenty to look at out the window at 40000 feet, never mind 30000. If you find open blinds a problem, then all I can suggest is that you put yourself in the position where you can do something about it, and preselect the window seat.

Oh you beat me to that by seconds.

And yes there is plenty to look at this height unless there is heavy cloud.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Oh you beat me to that by seconds.

And yes there is plenty to look at this height unless there is heavy cloud.

There is indeed but none of it's visible from a QF F suite unless you stand up and get closer to the window.

I must admit I hadn't thought that the light from my windows may affect the passenger behind me. If asked then I would most definitely lower my blinds. I always lower the opaque shades after take off and keep the solid blinds up. I nearly always take pictures of my meals and the natural lighting is much better for that than any of the suite lights.
I wouldn't want to upset anyone so if asked I'd probably just close them and get coughpy pictures I suppose.

 

[legroom]

I have had a few flights where there has been plenty to look at out the window at 40000 feet, never mind 30000. If you find open blinds a problem, then all I can suggest is that you put yourself in the position where you can do something about it, and preselect the window seat.

You're strictly not on topic, sorry.

It has been made clear a few times that the OP was about the QF F cabins.

Yes, I do agree with you in general in that I have always preselected window seats but even so, the QF F cabins defeat me with the light-well background from the forward cabin (unlike SQ or EK where there is no light leakage).

But most people is considerate like pushka or PF who would tweak to the viewing discomfort of the pax behind and lowers the blinds.

 

[markis10]

You're strictly not on topic, sorry.

It has been made clear a few times that the OP was about the QF F cabins.

Yes, I do agree with you in general in that I have always preselected window seats but even so, the QF F cabins defeat me with the light-well background from the forward cabin (unlike SQ or EK where there is no light leakage).

But most people is considerate like pushka or PF who would tweak to the viewing discomfort of the pax behind and lowers the blinds.

The topic is shades up or down, which invites discussion beyond any context set by the initial post, so very much on topic as per the title.

 

[medhead]

Personally I've seen some great sights out the window at 30000 ft. Afghanistan, the Caspian Sea. Places I have no chance of seeing otherwise.

But this whole debate, besides being pointless, is just like seat recline. In seat recline we hear the school of thought that says "there is a seat recline button so it must be used".

If we apply that school of thought to window shades we see that the shade must be closed. But then they also give us a window therefore we must look out the window.

Or like with seat reclining we could try to be considerate. BTW in the picture posted by the OP towards the start of the thread, that window clearly belongs to the person taking the picture. Seriously don't know why they didn't just shut it.

 

[legroom]

Yes & No

Yes, people can digress from the initial OP - we all do.

No, you chose to reply to my post "... do something about it.... select window seat...." which clearly was at odds with the quoted post in that I had referred to QF F issues where it does not matter that I was in sitting in 2A which is a window seat.

The topic is shades up or down, which invites discussion beyond any context set by the initial post, so very much on topic as per the title.

Medhead

Sorry, you are mistaken.

The open window in the photo did not belong to me. That belonged to 1A (the forward cabin which has 2-3 windows). Mine was all down as you could see.

Personally I've seen some great sights out the window at 30000 ft. Afghanistan, the Caspian Sea. Places I have no chance of seeing otherwise.

But this whole debate, besides being pointless, is just like seat recline. In seat recline we hear the school of thought that says "there is a seat recline button so it must be used".

If we apply that school of thought to window shades we see that the shade must be closed. But then they also give us a window therefore we must look out the window.

Or like with seat reclining we could try to be considerate. BTW in the picture posted by the OP towards the start of the thread, that window clearly belongs to the person taking the picture. Seriously don't know why they didn't just shut it.

 

[medhead]

Yes & No

Yes, people can digress from the initial OP - we all do.

No, you chose to reply to my post "... do something about it.... select window seat...." which clearly was at odds with the quoted post in that I had referred to QF F issues where it does not matter that I was in sitting in 2A which is a window seat.

You know what? The simple reply to that post was to say they were sitting in a window seat. Instead you're arguing off topic definition with a moderator. Last time I checked it is the moderators who define off topic around here.

 

[legroom]

Interesting !

Markis10's post was in his personal capacity - not a moderator's cap on.

AFAIK, we can & should be able to respond within reasons which I did and you were now carping that I had done so ?

By saying that markis10 was "off topic", I was referring to his direct reply to my post where I had made clear I was sitting in a window seat (2A) and therefore his offered advice "select a window seat" was rather moot.

So, .... the window still "clearly" belonged to the person taking the picture ?????

You know what? The simple reply to that post was to say they were sitting in a window seat. Instead you're arguing off topic definition with a moderator. Last time I checked it is the moderators who define off topic around here.

 

[opusman]

Someone pass the popcorn.

 

[medhead]

Interesting !

Markis10's post was in his personal capacity - not a moderator's cap on.

AFAIK, we can & should be able to respond within reasons which I did and you were now carping that I had done so ?

By saying that markis10 was "off topic", I was referring to his direct reply to my post where I had made clear I was sitting in a window seat (2A) and therefore his offered advice "select a window seat" was rather moot.

So, .... the window still "clearly" belonged to the person taking the picture ?????

That's right. And their personal post is also informed by their knowledge from their official role. Oh and I'm certainly not saying mods are infallible.

But the fact remains that the simple answer in line with the issue you've noted is to say that it was a window seat. No need to bang in about on topic/off topic.

Comment: "Sit in a window seat"
Response: "I did sit in a window seat"

Not carping on to mention that.

As for the window in question. It appears to be easily accessible from your seat, at least 50% on your side of the barrier. That gives you the right to close it IMO. Would it have been better if I wrote "belongs"?