Shades up or down?

[legroom]

Sorry, the windows in the QF F cabins are all electronically controlled by the pax themselves.

You can only control those within your allocated seat.

As for the window in question. It appears to be easily accessible from your seat, at least 50% on your side of the barrier. That gives you the right to close it IMO. Would it have been better if I wrote "belongs"?

 

[medhead]

Sorry, the windows in the QF F cabins are all electronically controlled by the pax themselves.

You can only control those within your allocated seat.

That's right. I've been able to control the window at the barrier in an QF A380 F seat. IIRC there is also a control on the window itself.

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you should be able to make out the green button.


But that was on the other side of the plane. Maybe that's the answer sit at a starboard window.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Interesting definition of 'selfish' indeed.

I wonder why movie theatres are pitch black apart from the projector and the odd lights on the steps.

Never mind that at 30,000 ft there is zip to be 'admired' from the blindingly bright light wells aka windows.

Public space involves compromises - sometimes.

I have the honesty to wish to be able to watch a movie or two without being partially blinded from the white background. Name for us the things you cannot do when the blinds are lowered at 30,000 ft with the sun beating down on you AND there is zip to be seen, let alone 'admired' or photographed.

OK firstly - the cinema example is just silly. People go to the cinema to watch a movie - that is the purpose of their presence. Quite a different purpose from taking a daytime flight somewhere.

You don't want to look out the window. OK, we get that. But you have no right to impose your will on everyone else and stop them from looking out the window as well.

You say there is a need to compromise. But your idea of "compromise" appears to be others giving up what they want to do, to comply with your wishes.

Yes, of course people need to be considerate of others. But you need to be just as considerate of their wishes as you want them to be of yours. It's a two-way deal. You seem unwilling to grasp that.

 

[phily]

Re: What the best seat(s) to choose in First class on A380?

Had the other blokes refused to lower his blinds, I'd be stuffed - uncomfortable but couldn't do much either.

I haven't had this experience in F (yet), but it's yet another justification for bringing your own iPad or similar with a bunch of movies you'd like to watch. Additionally, my iPad's 2kb x 1.5kb screen resolution is far higher IMHO than the IFE even in F.

 

[JessicaTam]

I go by the cabin lighting generally. If the FA dims the lights, then I figure they are doing it so people can sleep. Hence I will close the blind.

On a shorter daytime flight I will usually leave it up unless I am on the 'sunny' side of the plane. Then I will close it most of the way to stop the glare.

And as someone mentioned up thread, I found it quite odd to have most of the shades closed for takeoff/landing in the US.

 

[serfty]

The topic is shades up or down, which invites discussion beyond any context set by the initial post, so very much on topic as per the title.

The text for the topic of this thread was defined by the moderator who moved the original and related subsequent posts from the Re: What the best seat(s) to choose in First class on A380? thread to create this new one.

So, initial discussion did indeed relate to First Class on QF 388's; but has now branched.

Maybe the topic could have been "Shades up or down? [In QF 380 F]", but IMHO that's a little narrow for such a thing.

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As for myself, generally I prefer Shades Up, but am aware how that can affect the viewing of other PAX. This is mainly due to reflective glare in the screens, whether overhead, Seatback, Popup/swingout or even those of a PAX's own laptop/netbook/tablet.

As a result I tend to travel long haul with shades down other than for takeoff, landing or a quick peek now and again.

 

[legroom]

My original Q stands unanswered.

"..... Name for us the things you cannot do when the blinds are lowered at 30,000 ft with the sun beating down on you AND there is zip to be seen, let alone 'admired' or photographed..."

N.B:

I have never advocated asking the blinds to be lowered for sleep, nor mealtimes.

If that is not a compromise, well what's your definition then ?

The cinema analogy was employed to visualise the effects of extraneous lighting on screen - that's all. I'd never expect to cabin to be like inside Hoyts. That would be really idiotic (even to raise the issue).

BTW, some people still doesn't get it, the OP was related to QF F which by definition a long-haul flight (12 hrs at least, now that HKG was gone) and to deny fellow pax a decent chance of screen viewing because you wish to have 2-3 light wells (n.b. again: nothing to be seen / photographed, just pure blinding light) is rather uncivilized.

I do enjoy watching out .... when not in F (the seats are so far away) and when there is some scenery to be watched but not when there is only blinding white light.

OK firstly - the cinema example is just silly. People go to the cinema to watch a movie - that is the purpose of their presence. Quite a different purpose from taking a daytime flight somewhere.

You don't want to look out the window. OK, we get that. But you have no right to impose your will on everyone else and stop them from looking out the window as well.

You say there is a need to compromise. But your idea of "compromise" appears to be others giving up what they want to do, to comply with your wishes.

Yes, of course people need to be considerate of others. But you need to be just as considerate of their wishes as you want them to be of yours. It's a two-way deal. You seem unwilling to grasp that.

I agree.

Had that pax refused, I would have gone for my iPad.

The problem is my iPad does not have those movies !

I haven't had this experience in F (yet), but it's yet another justification for bringing your own iPad or similar with a bunch of movies you'd like to watch. Additionally, my iPad's 2kb x 1.5kb screen resolution is far higher IMHO than the IFE even in F.

 

[Pushka]

My original Q stands unanswered.

".....Name for us the things you cannot do when the blinds are lowered at 30,000 ft with the sun beating down on you AND there is zip to be seen, let alone 'admired' or photographed..."

How about just being able to look outside? If I have a window seat then that's what I do. Even if there is nothing. I like being able to see land. See the sea. Which is why I choose a window seat.

And if the sun isn't beating in? Most people would bring them down if the sun is beating in. But that isn't what you have been saying.

And yes the original posts were for F class but that has morphed as things are wont to do.

 

[legroom]

How about just being able to look outside? If I have a window seat then that's what I do. Even if there is nothing. I like being able to see land. See the sea. Which is why I choose a window seat.

And if the sun isn't beating in? Most people would bring them down if the sun is beating in. But that isn't what you have been saying.

And yes the original posts were for F class but that has morphed as things are wont to do.

Pushka

I agree with everything you wrote.

I too love to look at clouds, seas, mountains etc.....

But the original context of my posts had morphed into a general discussion on shades.

Mind you, and some still doesn't get it, you can NOT see anything outside those light wells except blinding sunlight when I made the request.

Pose the wrong assumptions, and people jump to the wrong conclusions - right on cue.

 

[Pushka]

Legroom that's fair enough when it's glaringly bright.

 

[boomy]

You say there is a need to compromise. But your idea of "compromise" appears to be others giving up what they want to do, to comply with your wishes.

Yes, of course people need to be considerate of others. But you need to be just as considerate of their wishes as you want them to be of yours.

Ok I'll bite.
You have a point here. Why should anyone give up their comfort and raise their seats during meal times or shut the blinds when it's sunny? Who said other people (mostly strangers) needs are more important? Well, I believe compromises are an essential part of living in a society, you loose some today, you win some next time.

 

[Pushka]

Boomy. Can't you see exactly the same things can be said to you? If someone wants the shade up next to their seat because they want to look out but you want it down, why are your needs more important than theirs? Isn't their wish to see out as important as your wish to watch the video? (This assumes the sun isn't blaring through creating for an uncomfortable general environment). And if they have selected the window seat well...

 

[boomy]

Boomy. Can't you see exactly the same things can be said to you? If someone wants the shade up next to their seat because they want to look out but you want it down, why are your needs more important than theirs? Isn't their wish to see out as important as your wish to watch the video? (This assumes the sun isn't blaring through creating for an uncomfortable general environment). And if they have selected the window seat well...

First, selecting the window seat doesn't give you total control over the window, it's not your private plane. On the same token, if someone chose an aisle seat it doesn't mean they can block pax next to them from going to the toilet.
As I said before, it's up to each individual to decide when it's time to compromise. If you think keeping the blinds open at all times is more important then letting others watch TV, so be it. I never demanded anything from other pax during any of my flights and I don't except everyone to act according to my codes of conduct.

 

[Pushka]

First, selecting the window seat doesn't give you total control over the window, it's not your private plane. On the same token, if someone chose an aisle seat it doesn't mean they can block pax next to them from going to the toilet.
As I said before, it's up to each individual to decide when it's time to compromise. If you think keeping the blinds open at all times is more important then letting others watch TV, so be it. I never demanded anything from other pax during any of my flights and I don't except everyone to act according to my codes of conduct.

The thing is Boomy, I rarely choose window seats. I prefer the aisle as I like to think in some way I can "escape". My profile is set to aisle.

So when someone else usually sits in the window seat I pretty much expect they will control the window shade. Up/down. And if they lean across so I can't see a thing well I see that's their right to do so. I don't get antsy if I can't see the TV. Because I didn't select the window seat!

This preference for aisle came about a few years ago when I had a window seat. When I boarded there was an obese lady sitting in the aisle seat. She had been preboarded. She was in a wheelchair. We had to climb over her (ie step from the aisle onto the middle seat) to get to my seat. I was stuck there the whole flight. That made me very anxious. I never want that to happen again. We then had to climb over her to get out.

 

[cmon0005]

Re: What the best seat(s) to choose in First class on A380?

I don't get people who keep the blinds open long after takeoff. There is nothing to see outside so why not shut them as courtesy to other pax who want to sleep or watch TV.

If it is a fully daytime flight, there is nothing worse than being in a totally dark cabin (with only the lights on or off) especially if its nice day outside, as a courtesy for passengers who don't want body clock issues or to arrive in their destination in a sleepy mood from being in an artificially dark cabin for a long time.
However saying that I still respect that my fellow passengers want to watch TV .etc. so normally I will keep my shade half open, so at least I still get some light for my body clock but my seat neighbours can watch their TV without issues.

 

[boomy]

Re: What the best seat(s) to choose in First class on A380?

The thing is Boomy, I rarely choose window seats. I prefer the aisle as I like to think in some way I can "escape". My profile is set to aisle.

So when someone else usually sits in the window seat I pretty much expect they will control the window shade. Up/down. And if they lean across so I can't see a thing well I see that's their right to do so. I don't get antsy if I can't see the TV. Because I didn't select the window seat!

This preference for aisle came about a few years ago when I had a window seat. When I boarded there was an obese lady sitting in the aisle seat. She had been preboarded. She was in a wheelchair. We had to climb over her (ie step from the aisle onto the middle seat) to get to my seat. I was stuck there the whole flight. That made me very anxious. I never want that to happen again. We then had to climb over her to get out.

I also prefer the aisle although it's sometimes uncomfortable to get up when the person next to the window wants to go somewhere so I expect similar courtesy from that person to lower the blinds when the sun is too strong and reflects on my TV screen.
Off course it's a different situation in F

However saying that I still respect that my fellow passengers want to watch TV .etc. so normally I will keep my shade half open, so at least I still get some light for my body clock but my seat neighbours can watch their TV without issues.

Sounds like a reasonable compromise.

 

[JohnK]

Sitting in 23J on A330 last week and I was affected by window shades up from 23A. I said nothing. I guess it is their right to have shades up.

There have been many times I have been advised/forced by cabin crew to put down the shade. I love looking out the window and I don't take flights to sleep.

I am in 1K on QF A380 HKG-SYD in a few days. I would like to think I can keep shade up for some part of flight even if it's just to see lights from boats and cities at night.

 

[opusman]

I am in 1K on QF A380 HKG-SYD in a few days.

At least you won't have to worry about recliners

 

[legroom]

Sitting in 23J on A330 last week and I was affected by window shades up from 23A. I said nothing. I guess it is their right to have shades up...

Yes, it was your prerogative not to remedy an adverse situation.

To some others, they would gladly lower the blinds once it is politely requested as they are not aware that their blinds are inadvertently inconveniencing others.

Mind you, a polite request is not the same as an imposition of ME ME ME as some would so decry loudly & promptly because a refusal would be accepted with grace with the accepted understanding that those pax have the rights to do so.

So, your prerogative is not prescriptive, I'm afraid.

I am in 1K on QF A380 HKG-SYD in a few days. I would like to think I can keep shade up for some part of flight even if it's just to see lights from boats and cities at night.

AFAIK, there is no such thing as a shades-down-at-all-times brigade.

Who has ever advocated requesting shades down '... at night ....' ?

Very odd observation, JohnK !

 

[Kefci2000]

No problem with people shades up during the night to look outside at night as long as shade down before dawn