Should J & F be AO? (Kids we dont want you in Business class!)

[samiam]

I would have thought there were other groups on planes that are more harmful than kids.

Terrorists come to mind.

 

[VHOEJ]

For the majority of flights I have been on, the kids have been well behaved. Even the ones who make some noise, the parents tell them off and they learn pretty quickly. It is just the minority who are out of control because the parents don't care or expect the crew to babysit for them

And when adults are behaving just as bad as children are thanks to alchohol, sleepig tablets etc, the idea just doesn't work.

 

[Moecat]

It's public transport.

If you don't want children, get out the cash and get yourself a private jet.

No its not "public transport" it is private transport open to the public at large. the airline can make what ever rules it likes with regards to who they allow on there planes..... Once a upon a time black people were not allowed to travel on planes.. i am def not saying this should be the case now.
they do this all the time esspecially with there pricing structures. trying to discourage particular types of people from flying with them, or in particular cabins...

What is wrong with saying that children should not be allowed in a J or F cabin if you have children and want to fly J perhaps you could try Virgin.

Leave us in peace..... And druken adults are told to shut up! try doing that to a child and you look like an Ahole or a monster...

Be realistic people they need to go, and fast...

 

[ozbeachbabe]

Leave us in peace..... And druken adults are told to shut up! try doing that to a child and you look like an Ahole or a monster...

Be realistic people they need to go, and fast...

Just because you tell an adult to shut up doesn't mean they will.

I'd like to see you on a flight in the Pilbara telling a miner to shut up. In the days when cans of beer were served onboard they would frequently shake cans before opening them & spray fellow passengers with beer which they thought was all in good fun!

 

[Moecat]

Just because you tell an adult to shut up doesn't mean they will.

I'd like to see you on a flight in the Pilbara telling a miner to shut up. In the days when cans of beer were served onboard they would frequently shake cans before opening them & spray fellow passengers with beer which they thought was all in good fun!

I do fly to Karratha fairly often, and i look forward to it as i know there will be no children on board.... not like the few unfortunate times i have had to do the red eye PER TO SYD its like a school yard....

And adults are not the issue here. its the annoying poitivly frustrating children

 

[arraitch]

My brother and his wife travel like that on every trip - the parents in F or J, and kids down the back with Nanny.

Picking up on another thread ... do you happen to know whether Nanny gets the FF points?

 

[11sjw]

No its not "public transport" it is private transport open to the public at large. the airline can make what ever rules it likes with regards to who they allow on there planes..... Once a upon a time black people were not allowed to travel on planes.. i am def not saying this should be the case now.
they do this all the time esspecially with there pricing structures. trying to discourage particular types of people from flying with them, or in particular cabins...

What is wrong with saying that children should not be allowed in a J or F cabin if you have children and want to fly J perhaps you could try Virgin.

Leave us in peace..... And druken adults are told to shut up! try doing that to a child and you look like an Ahole or a monster...

Be realistic people they need to go, and fast...

You're doing a good job of that and we're nowhere near an aircraft.

 

[NYCguy]

Picking up on another thread ... do you happen to know whether Nanny gets the FF points?

I checked for you and yes, she does get to keep her points.

 

[medhead]

What is wrong with saying that children should not be allowed in a J or F cabin if you have children and want to fly J perhaps you could try Virgin.

Yeah right. What airline in the world is going to say that to, say, someone named Mary from Tasmania, who now lives in Denmark? Or say to a bloke called James whose dad used to like going to casinos. What's wrong with it is that it is discrimination, just like your other example. There is an anti-discrimination act and it includes discrimination on the basis of age.

Be realistic people they need to go, and fast...

perhaps you can take your own advice. Get Real!

And adults are not the issue here. its the annoying poitivly frustrating children

This attitude is exactly the problem. Adults are the problem! Adults who do not control their children are the problem. Adults must take responsibility for their children. If you say that children are the problem then you give bad parents the ability to ignore their responsibly.

If there is any problems with children it is attitudes likes yours that allow those problems to exist. Stop being part of the problem and become part of the solution. I have no problem travelling with children and I also have no problem making parents aware of their responsibilities.

 

[nlagalle]

No its not "public transport" it is private transport open to the public at large. the airline can make what ever rules it likes with regards to who they allow on there planes..... Once a upon a time black people were not allowed to travel on planes.. i am def not saying this should be the case now.
they do this all the time esspecially with there pricing structures. trying to discourage particular types of people from flying with them, or in particular cabins...

What is wrong with saying that children should not be allowed in a J or F cabin if you have children and want to fly J perhaps you could try Virgin.

Leave us in peace..... And druken adults are told to shut up! try doing that to a child and you look like an Ahole or a monster...

Be realistic people they need to go, and fast...

It's funny how this topic pops up every year or so.. It's usually the people who complain about children are generally the ones that are more troublesome on a plane.

Based on my observations on flying both in J and Y, it's always adults that are the worst behaved. Either don't listen to cabin crew and are loud and annoying. I've yet to be on a flight where a child was behaving badly.

My daughter has travelled quite a bit for her age (7), in both cabins too. She is always complimented on her behaviour. i see many kids travelling who are well behaved too. Yes there are bad ones, but there are less bad kids than bad adults.

I don't know whether you are just trolling or really serious, but if you are serious i hope my daughter and I don't have to share a plane with you..

 

[samiam]

It's funny how this topic pops up every year or so.. It's usually the people who complain about children are generally the ones that are more troublesome on a plane.

I beg to differ...

... it's usually the people who complain about everything that are more troublesome anywhere.

 

[Skoogle]

How about a system similar to a baby monitor, where the noise from the childs seat is piped into the parents IFE headset. Enforce parents to not use other entertainment systems for safety reasons.

 

[straitman]

How about a system similar to a baby monitor, where the noise from the childs seat is piped into the parents IFE headset. Enforce parents to not use other entertainment systems for safety reasons.

But what do you do with the rabble element of adults that are in most cases worse than the kids :?:



Moecat,

That question is for you also :?:

 

[TonyHancock]

I have had two Qantas "experiences" with babies/children in the past fortnight.

In the Perth lounge a father decided to place chase with his two kids, who would have been aged about 5 - 8. He even joined in there screaming. For me he is at fault.

The other experience was on a Mel - Sin flight in PE. A baby in the bassinet just would not stop crying for the best part of 5 hours. The parents did everything they could to settle the baby down and were mortified about upsetting others in the cabin.

I felt genuinely sorry for them.

Behavior for toddlers is down to the parents, and with infants sometimes there may be tears and screaming - that is just life.

 

[bossreggie]

I have flown often with my son over the years. I recall once when he was around 6 or 7 he was being a little annoying on a flight from LAX - MEL. I took him for a little walk the entire length of the aircraft. We left "F" through "J" and right to the very back toilets in "Y". I explained to him that he would be seated down here if he would not settle down. I think the shock of the "Y" cabin still haunts him to this day. He has been an excellent flyer ever since.

Once he turned 18 I have had a strictly "J" policy for him though if I am paying.

 

[Moopere]

Wow. How quickly we seem to lose track of the intent of the original posting and start debating, essentially, the pros and cons of childrens behaviour versus adults. Most of this thread seems to have devolved into what we individually think of children or immature adults.

Anyhoo, how about this as an out of left field answer?

Seeing as how more than half the responses essentially boil down to "bad luck, suck it up"; airlines, assuming that the majority view will be accepted, might reserve the very rear Y seats, the whole row say for naughty PAX, both child and adult alike who need to be removed from F or J. In the old days, drunks or other disturbers of the peace on a train (or bus) would be let off at the next stop. Can't do that easily on a plane, but you can sure shift them to steerage (I'm usually a Y passenger, so no retorts about elitism please)

The rear Y row could be paid for by a levy on the J and F seating cost ... oh wait, they already pay a premium for 'business' appropriate seating.

Reasonable parents would accept this, as mostly the reasonable types do try hard to minimise their fellow PAX disturbances. Unreasonable parents and drunken idiots (not the same thing!) will get a mini spanking by being shifted - something for them to consider, hopefully, for future flights.

The problem today is that there is no upside to civil behaviour and no downside to nasty or disruptive behaviour ... in society in general. As people treat each other generally worse and worse with each passing year the possibility for violence and _really_ nasty confrontations escalates - this is what scares FA's and other front line serving people. Their inherent authority has been eroded by our generally poor attitude.

When I was a child, Tram conductors and bus drivers wore uniforms and police/military style hats. If you played up they'd kick you off the tram. Today they'd probably get a punch in the face if they tried the same thing.

 

[dfcatch]

I have flown often with my son over the years. I recall once when he was around 6 or 7 he was being a little annoying on a flight from LAX - MEL. I took him for a little walk the entire length of the aircraft. We left "F" through "J" and right to the very back toilets in "Y". I explained to him that he would be seated down here if he would not settle down. I think the shock of the "Y" cabin still haunts him to this day. He has been an excellent flyer ever since.

Once he turned 18 I have had a strictly "J" policy for him though if I am paying.

I like your style bossreggie!!

But an example of being a good parent on the plane. I'm glad it worked out for you too.

 

[Smackbum]

I have flown often with my son over the years. I recall once when he was around 6 or 7 he was being a little annoying on a flight from LAX - MEL. I took him for a little walk the entire length of the aircraft. We left "F" through "J" and right to the very back toilets in "Y". I explained to him that he would be seated down here if he would not settle down. I think the shock of the "Y" cabin still haunts him to this day. He has been an excellent flyer ever since.

Once he turned 18 I have had a strictly "J" policy for him though if I am paying.

Nothing like a close encounter with working-class scum to frighten the brats into behaving. Funnily enough I do the same in reverse and it works for me too!

 

[Boris spatsky]

On a recent SFO-SYD in J (but in F seats), I was next to a 16 year old girl and her 13 year old brother (clearly dad was a QF captain as the son made sure everyone knew that!!)

The girl was fine, just played on ipod and slept. The boy on the other hand, uggh. He pressed the call button literally every 10 minutes, demanded food, complained about the AVOD, aksed for a mattress as the seat was 'not comfortable to sleep on' etc etc. I found it highly amusing.

Not sure if 'daddy' was flying the plane, but I guess he must have been as the crew bent over backwards to keep him happy, to the detriment of the other passengers. So yes, no under 18's in J or F!!

 

[nlagalle]

On a recent SFO-SYD in J (but in F seats), I was next to a 16 year old girl and her 13 year old brother (clearly dad was a QF captain as the son made sure everyone knew that!!)

The girl was fine, just played on ipod and slept. The boy on the other hand, uggh. He pressed the call button literally every 10 minutes, demanded food, complained about the AVOD, aksed for a mattress as the seat was 'not comfortable to sleep on' etc etc. I found it highly amusing.

Not sure if 'daddy' was flying the plane, but I guess he must have been as the crew bent over backwards to keep him happy, to the detriment of the other passengers. So yes, no under 18's in J or F!!

interesting that you have come to that answer as you have a case of one behaving badly and one being good. If I am stumping the cash or points to fly in J or F with my daughter then she can sit with me. I'll reiterate what i have said before - I have seen more mis-behaving adults in J than kids. Actually that applies for Y too.