Should J & F be AO? (Kids we dont want you in Business class!)

[BadgerBoi]

"Oh darling I'm not sure you should be doing that!" as child climbs over dividers and furniture.

No doubt that parent will be writing in this forum, saying "...my kids always fly J and behave perfectly...if you don't want to share a flight with my darling little cherubs then you need to hire your own jet."
It's only ever other people's children who don't behave on flights, of course.

 

[BadgerBoi]

In the front row of business in the Cathay 340's (It may be 330's or even both) there is a shelf that is perfect for resting the laptop on in meal services) I specifically pick the bulkhead for this reason.

One of the kids would have been a teenager and the other a bit younger. The younger one was back and forth to the parents! :shock:

I wouldn't have minded giving up the seat if the family was genuinely sitting together.

I wouldn't have been happy to give up that seat, sounds like those kids were old enough not to need mum and dad nearby. The parents thought that too, apparently, since they booked a different class of travel for them.
It would have to be a really good reason for me to give up my preferred seat. I'm over the sense of entitlement that so many people have.

 

[pfish]

I am late to this thread and haven't read all of the posts but, quite frankly, if I pay for a J ticket with my family (as we do at least annually to visit grandparents) then I, and my baby, have every right to be there.
i agree the flip side is that i have an obligation to keep my baby fed, occupied etc to avoid crying or disturbing others and of course my wife and I do our best to ensure that.

But the notion of banning children is ridiculous. Put on your n/c headset!

 

[BadgerBoi]

I am late to this thread and haven't read all of the posts but, quite frankly, if I pay for a J ticket with my family (as we do at least annually to visit grandparents) then I, and my baby, have every right to be there.
i agree the flip side is that i have an obligation to keep my baby fed, occupied etc to avoid crying or disturbing others and of course my wife and I do our best to ensure that.

But the notion of banning children is ridiculous. Put on your n/c headset!

The notion that I should have to don a headset to keep out the sound of yowling brats is ridiculous. It's the parents' responsibility to keep the children quiet and out of the way.

 

[dfcatch]

I am late to this thread and haven't read all of the posts but, quite frankly, if I pay for a J ticket with my family (as we do at least annually to visit grandparents) then I, and my baby, have every right to be there.
i agree the flip side is that i have an obligation to keep my baby fed, occupied etc to avoid crying or disturbing others and of course my wife and I do our best to ensure that.

But the notion of banning children is ridiculous. Put on your n/c headset!

Well said

 

[cove]

Let me summarize:
No kids
No snoring or farting adults
equals an empty First and Business Class section!
What else?

 

[thewinchester]

Let me summarize:
No kids
No snoring or farting adults
equals an empty First and Business Class section!
What else?

Nope, I think that's pretty much it.

I propose something different, how about if you can't show respect, tolerance or appropriate behaivour in J or F - then kindly book somewhere else.

And you can harp on about sending pax who can't meet these simple standards back to Y, but all you're doing is transferring the problem onto others - who quite frankly wish they could just pool their spare miles and upgrade the troublesome pax out of their cabin anyway.

 

[dfcatch]

Let me summarize:
No kids
No snoring or farting adults
equals an empty First and Business Class section!
What else?

Well it wouldn't be an empty cabin if I had more money and miles

 

[ureshii_eric]

Totally agree.. business class above should be for adults only.

 

[whereishome]

I suppose the main thrust of the arguments for an against on this thread is basic politeness, really.

- Keep your kids controlled
- Keep your self controlled
- Understand that wherever you are in the plane, you are going to be (in some way) imposing on other people due to sheer proximity
- Try to minimise that impact and you'll be fine

Unfortunately, there's no legislation against rudeness. :-|

 

[straitman]

I suppose the main thrust of the arguments for an against on this thread is basic politeness, really.

- Keep your kids controlled
- Keep your self controlled
- Understand that wherever you are in the plane, you are going to be (in some way) imposing on other people due to sheer proximity
- Try to minimise that impact and you'll be fine

Unfortunately, there's no legislation against rudeness. :-|

As I have asked previously 'Does this also apply for adults who behave like kids:?:'

 

[thewinchester]

As I have asked previously 'Does this also apply for adults who behave like kids:?:'

Why's that Bill? Do you have those occasional moments where you regress and don't want to be kicked out of the pointy end?

 

[jsd]

As I have asked previously 'Does this also apply for adults who behave like kids:?:'

Absolutely, don't think us kids won't toss you back towards whY when you start kicking and screaming like a little brat :mrgreen:

 

[pfish]

The notion that I should have to don a headset to keep out the sound of yowling brats is ridiculous. It's the parents' responsibility to keep the children quiet and out of the way.

precisely why i said the obligation of parents travelling with kids is to minimize the 'yowling'.

it's a society, not a bubble.

now what to do with the snoring adults....

 

[BadgerBoi]

precisely why i said the obligation of parents travelling with kids is to minimize the 'yowling'.

it's a society, not a bubble.

now what to do with the snoring adults....

As for the snoring adults, a pillow applied with firm pressure over the face might solve the problem. I'm rarely able to sleep on a plane, and if I do it's very lightly, yet I've never been troubled by a snorer. I must be lucky I guess.

BTW it's a plane, not a "society", and the first time that anyone with uncontrolled kiddies tells me to wear a headset - well, it will become one of the longest threads ever seen on AFF. Someone elses' poor behaviour is not a reason for me to change my own. They cause a problem, they change their behaviour. Simple.

 

[ozmille]

now what to do with the snoring adults....

Flew Upper Deck on BA not long ago. Went to stretch my legs downstairs and as soon as I was on the stairs I could hear someone snoring downstairs :shock:. Unbelievable how loud it was. I was very happy to be upstairs

 

[medhead]

Flew Upper Deck on BA not long ago. Went to stretch my legs downstairs and as soon as I was on the stairs I could hear someone snoring downstairs :shock:. Unbelievable how loud it was. I was very happy to be upstairs

Lucky you weren't on the upper deck with me last week. I specifically requested power for medical equipment yet qantas decided not to bother. End result is me snoring and having a shocking sleep as well. The stats on how poorly I sleep without the machine are shocking not to mention that I'm massively increasing my risk of heart attack and killing myself slowly. So I can assure everyone that I was vastly more annoyed about the situation than any of the other passengers could have been.

Before we all get carried away about snoring first stop to ask why they are snoring; because of a failure by the airline despite the efforts of the passenger? Then ask what long term effects it is having on them vs you're short term problems.

BTW it's a plane, not a "society",

Actually it is a (small, select) society on a plane.

 

[BadgerBoi]

Actually it is a (small, select) society on a plane.

Which doesn't contradict my statement that it's a plane, not a society.

 

[clifford]

As for the snoring adults, a pillow applied with firm pressure over the face might solve the problem.

Yes I agree.

One (perhaps you) could also say the same about children.

 

[medhead]

Which doesn't contradict my statement that it's a plane, not a society.

Sorry actually it does. In what way can you claim that a society on a plane is not a society.