Should obese people pay extra for flying

[JohnK]

I appreciate you have your own issues here. But what you are arguing simply cannot hold true scientifically. You are proposing that someone who eats nothing at all, not a single lettuce leaf, will still gain weight. Of course they won't The same applies to weight loss and weight gain for everyone. If you eat less than you expend, you will lose weight.

As I mentioned I visited a leading endocrinologist ~4 years ago as I had concerns. His diagnosis was there was nothing wrong with my metabolism and according to his formula I was consuming ~2,700 calories per day. He advised that if I reduced the calorie intake by 10% that I would lose 1kg/month. No further exercise required other than what I was already doing.

So if I consume ~1,800 calories per day then after 8 days I should lose ~1kg. I went from 128kg to 120kg fairly rapidly and now I am fluctuating between 120kg - 123kg with no further weight loss.

In fact I went from 120kg to 123kg on the weekend. How is it possible for someone to put on 3kg in a weekend? I must have consumed an additional ~21,000 calories for that to happen.

 

[The Rok]

I am 178cm, 110kg, work out @ the gym 3 or 4 times a week, I consume less than 1500 calories per day, my intake of saturated gat is 60% of the guideline daily amount, drink 2 or less light beers per day yet cannot lose weight. I have had a Thyroid Function Test done once and everything appeared normal to the doctor.

I have lost weight in the past, but only when consuming less than 1,000 calories per day and working out 5 + times per week.

It's easy for skinny people to say its all in the mind.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

As I mentioned I visited a leading endocrinologist ~4 years ago as I had concerns. His diagnosis was there was nothing wrong with my metabolism and according to his formula I was consuming ~2,700 calories per day. He advised that if I reduced the calorie intake by 10% that I would lose 1kg/month. No further exercise required other than what I was already doing.

So if I consume ~1,800 calories per day then after 8 days I should lose ~1kg. I went from 128kg to 120kg fairly rapidly and now I am fluctuating between 120kg - 123kg with no further weight loss.

In fact I went from 120kg to 123kg on the weekend. How is it possible for someone to put on 3kg in a weekend? I must have consumed an additional ~21,000 calories for that to happen.

you know exercise is good for you regardless of the weight loss aspect. have you tried it for any sustained period of time?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

As I mentioned I visited a leading endocrinologist ~4 years ago as I had concerns. His diagnosis was there was nothing wrong with my metabolism and according to his formula I was consuming ~2,700 calories per day. He advised that if I reduced the calorie intake by 10% that I would lose 1kg/month. No further exercise required other than what I was already doing.

So if I consume ~1,800 calories per day then after 8 days I should lose ~1kg. I went from 128kg to 120kg fairly rapidly and now I am fluctuating between 120kg - 123kg with no further weight loss.

In fact I went from 120kg to 123kg on the weekend. How is it possible for someone put on 3kg in a weekend? I must have consumed an additional ~21,000 calories for that to happen.

Not really. It is possible for someone to weigh 3kg more on a weekend - but that is different from 'putting on' 3 kg over a weekend. The latter is impossible. you cannot 'put on' 3kg of fat in one weekend. But you can easily 'weigh more' if you ate a huge pizza and drank three beers. But once the pizza and three beers pass through you, if you have consumed less calories than you expend, none of the pizza and beer will turn into fat (well, you get what I mean).

Weight fluctuates, the amount of water in your body and the amount of food in your stomach (or elsewhere) in your system. That is different from your 'weight' if you were to take away the fluctuating factors and measure the amount of fat sitting around your stomach! It's like an aircraft - it has an empty weight. you can stick 100 pax and their baggage and it will weigh more, but its empty weight remains the same. Only if you start adding hardware to the inside (First class suites for example) will it actually 'put on weight'. Same with your weekend of eating. Three kilos is just the pax and baggage

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I am 178cm, 110kg, work out @ the gym 3 or 4 times a week, I consume less than 1500 calories per day, my intake of saturated gat is 60% of the guideline daily amount, drink 2 or less light beers per day yet cannot lose weight. I have had a Thyroid Function Test done once and everything appeared normal to the doctor.

I have lost weight in the past, but only when consuming less than 1,000 calories per day and working out 5 + times per week.

It's easy for skinny people to say its all in the mind.

maybe you are creating muscle? Which does weigh a lot!

 

[The Rok]

maybe you are creating muscle? Which does weigh a lot!

Partly correct, I do have good muscle mass and definition, but still an excessive amount of fat.

When I return home in 4 weeks I will be seeking a second doctors opinion.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Partly correct, I do have good muscle mass and definition, but still an excessive amount of fat.

When I return home in 4 weeks I will be seeking a second doctors opinion.

maybe cut out the light beers altogether

 

[The Rok]

Right, so 82 Calories x 2 (164 calories) and 0% Saturated Fat is the problem. Got it.

 

[JohnK]

you know exercise is good for you regardless of the weight loss aspect. have you tried it for any sustained period of time?

Actually the current recommendation is the opposite.

But what sort of exercise do you recommend? Weights? Aerobics? Walking is all I can do and even that gets difficult now.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Actually the current recommendation is the opposite.

But what sort of exercise do you recommend? Weights? Aerobics? Walking is all I can do and even that gets difficult now.

oh I must have missed where exercise was no longer recommended. I guess I'll stop going out for walks, I'm obviously wasting my time. thanks for clearing it up

 

[The Rok]

Muscle mass will help metabolism.if you can't walk then go to the gym a couple of days a week and do a light weight session with a trainer!

I had a personal trainer 5 days a week for 2 years!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

we had health checks at work. while walking is better than nothing, they recommend that you exercise for at least 30 minutes several times a week with some form of activity that at a minimum raises your heartbeat and produces some light sweat. They specifically excluded walking as part of their assessment of 'do you exercise?'

 

[Duffa]

we had health checks at work. while walking is better than nothing, they recommend that you exercise for at least 30 minutes several times a week with some form of activity that at a minimum raises your heartbeat and produces some light sweat. They specifically excluded walking as part of their assessment of 'do you exercise?'

Can you please be my dietitian, doctor and personal trainer, M-T!
You're explanations are spot-on and easy to understand and they have the benefit of logic.

 

[Foreigner]

Actually the current recommendation is the opposite.

But what sort of exercise do you recommend? Weights? Aerobics? Walking is all I can do and even that gets difficult now.

Few good ideas here:

No More Excuses for Not Losing Weight - CBS News

 

[clifford]

I had a personal trainer 5 days a week for 2 years!

Well I hope it was worth it! As for me, I've never had a personal (or impersonal) trainer in my life, and I'm not obese.

 

[harvyk]

It's easy for skinny people to say its all in the mind.

Amen to that...

I'm not going to deny that eating right and exercise are not good things to be doing, but metabolism and body build is just as much a help or hindrance. Furthermore changing 30 / 40 / 50 years of bad decisions when it comes to food and exercise is not easy, as there is a physiological aspect (one could almost say addiction) which is also at play.

Furthermore a big part of the problem is that eating right does take time, effort and money. Fast food is really easy to find, tastes great (lets not deny this one, if it didn't taste good to the average person then no one would buy it), and is often very cheap. Coming home and cooking something yourself on the other hand is much harder, especially if after a long day at work, and decent ingredients do cost more.

For me personally, I've changed my eating habits over the last year. I'm now doing far more cooking at home, and the big one for myself, the good ole coke-a-cola has been relegated to a more infrequent status (actually my rules I've created for when I'm allowed and not allowed to drink coke are pretty complex, but they seem to work for me).

I also think we need to be careful not to simply relegate food to just "fuel in energy out" status as I know some health nuts do, as that in some ways misses the point of food IMHO.

 

[katiebell]

weight does depend on calories consumed vs calories burned. Some people burn more than others in a day and for the overweight it is hard to lose weight and it requires fundamental changes to lifestyle.

Back to topic: we all pay for our seat and have a right to be able to use our seat space without sharing it with others. Many large people do try to keep their bulk on their side of the the armrests.

Whlist no one has a right to bulge into other pax space but many seem the see it as their 'right' to spread out whether it be seatfully reclined during the climb, broad shoulders, fat, arms over armrests or legs spread wide into the adjoining space: it is not only the oversize pax who should consider the extra seat.

Any tips on how to get the inconsiderate to place their wayward limbs back to their side of the armrest?

 

[Maca44]

Okay, now that we have identified some of the fat people on this threat, including myself, can we get back onto the topic?
Enough is enough

 

[EmilyHoward]

weight does depend on calories consumed vs calories burned. Some people burn more than others in a day and for the overweight it is hard to lose weight and it requires fundamental changes to lifestyle.

Back to topic: we all pay for our seat and have a right to be able to use our seat space without sharing it with others. Many large people do try to keep their bulk on their side of the the armrests.



Whlist no one has a right to bulge into other pax space but many seem the see it as their 'right' to spread out whether it be seatfully reclined during the climb, broad shoulders, fat, arms over armrests or legs spread wide into the adjoining space: it is not only the oversize pax who should consider the extra seat.

Any tips on how to get the inconsiderate to place their wayward limbs back to their side of the armrest?

I pretty much always get a window seat so at least you are guaranteed one free side. I don't believe that there is any real way of getting them to put their arms back to their side.

EH

 

[katiebell]

I pretty much always get a window seat so at least you are guaranteed one free side. I don't believe that there is any real way of getting them to put their arms back to their side.

EH

what about their legs?