Should P1's and CL be "guaranteed" seat selection?

[k3nnis]

Boss reggie is the boss! Lol. Don't think feper will be happy

 

[Feper]

I will give you an example of how this works for me.

When I book my ticket I am always allocated the seat I like. 1A on A380 & 747 1C on 737 1B on A330 & 767 etc.

Recently I had to purchase a seat SYD-LAX-SYD at the very last minute. I purchased it from the Airport at the Sales desk. ($22k as it was so last minute).

I was advised when I paid for my ticket that I had bought the last ticket in F on a very full flight. Without me having to do a thing, the ticket agent telephoned the F lounge to page the pax who was already checked in 1A to let them know they had a "seat change". I was given a boarding pass with 1A. I didn't request them to do this. It was just done.

That's how it is for me.

So, it would seem to me that you are in full support of my proposal, it looks as if the framework is already in place

 

[Pleb Status]

Although WP1 status requires a certain amount of QF spend to obtain, I would guess that a large number of 3000-3600 SC WP would spend far more on QF than some 3600-4000 SC WP1 spend on QF. Just because you earn more SC in a single particular year, this may not make you more valuable to QF than someone who earns slightly less SC but spends far more. Multi year spend also needs to be considered when determing how valuable you really are to QF.

Although I totally disagree with the OP (trolling maybe? after looking at the other threads they have started), if something like what the OP was suggesting was to be introduced on QF it would need to be based solely on a separate QF spend basis (like SQ solitaire), not on a status credit basis. What you spend on QF is all that matters, the amount of SC you earn is totally irrelevant (especially where double SC are involved). The qualification level for WP1 is arbitrary in any case.

Also, to make this policy workable, you would only be able to have one or two people per flight with the ability to 'demand a seat'. I would think the minimum qualification level for this 'enhancement' would be a QF metal spend of at least AUD250,000 per year. As these high spenders would not be flying in Y, Y could be excluded from the 'demand a seat' policy.

In summary, basic WP1 (and to some extent most CL) status is way too low a level of status to receive the benefit the OP is suggesting. For regular J/F int travellers, WP1 is pretty easy to obtain without too much flying at all.

For all we know, the 'demand a seat' policy is already in place for those who have truly earned it.

 

[bossreggie]

So, it would seem to me that you are in full support of me proposal, it looks as if the framework is already in place

I think you will find that the more value you are to a business, the LESS you would need to even ask for this. It happens without me requesting it. In my hundreds of international flights with Qantas in First, I have sat in 1A every time except 2. 1 was because the seat was not working and the other was because my +1 wanted to sit in the seat right next to me rather than 1K.

I don't usually have to buy a ticket at so last minute so having someone move seats to please me is not something I would have asked for. As I mentioned, it was done with being requested. I know it has happened on other occasions as I have had fellow pax mention to me that they had seats re-allocated.

I would suggest to you Feper, that your value to Qantas is not quite at the level to have this happen for you yet.

 

[bossreggie]

Although WP1 status requires a certain amount of QF spend to obtain, I would guess that a large number of 3000-3600 SC WP would spend far more on QF than some 3600-4000 SC WP1 spend on QF. Just because you earn more SC in a single particular year, this may not make you more valuable to QF than someone who earns slightly less SC but spends far more. Multi year spend also needs to be considered when determing how valuable you really are to QF.

Although I totally disagree with the OP (trolling maybe? after looking at the other threads they have started), if something like what the OP was suggesting was to be introduced on QF it would need to be based solely on a separate QF spend basis (like SQ solitaire), not on a status credit basis. What you spend on QF is all that matters, the amount of SC you earn is totally irrelevant (especially where double SC are involved). The qualification level for WP1 is arbitrary in any case.

Also, to make this policy workable, you would only be able to have one or two people per flight with the ability to 'demand a seat'. I would think the minimum qualification level for this 'enhancement' would be a QF metal spend of at least AUD250,000 per year. As these high spenders would not be flying in Y, Y could be excluded from the 'demand a seat' policy.

In summary, basic WP1 (and to some extent most CL) status is way too low a level of status to receive the benefit the OP is suggesting. For regular J/F int travellers, WP1 is pretty easy to obtain without too much flying at all.

For all we know, the 'demand a seat' policy is already in place for those who have truly earned it.

A very intelligent and well written post Pleb Status. I think you have summed it up perfectly!

 

[NM]

I will give you an example of how this works for me.

When I book my ticket I am always allocated the seat I like. 1A on A380 & 747 1C on 737 1B on A330 & 767 etc.

Recently I had to purchase a seat SYD-LAX-SYD at the very last minute. I purchased it from the Airport at the Sales desk. ($22k as it was so last minute).

I was advised when I paid for my ticket that I had bought the last ticket in F on a very full flight. Without me having to do a thing, the ticket agent telephoned the F lounge to page the pax who was already checked in 1A to let them know they had a "seat change". I was given a boarding pass with 1A. I didn't request them to do this. It was just done.

That's how it is for me.

And of course we don't know the circumstances behind who was originally allocated to 1A. Perhaps it was an upgraded J passenger. Perhaps it was a QF staff member. The check-in agent would have been able to tell and then make a determination of whether or not it was appropriate to reassign that person to another seat.

Either way, having met bossreggie, I expect the situation was handled more with an air of appreciation for getting his preferred seat rather than an air of expectation that someone else should be moved because he deserved it more than the other person.

 

[medhead]

I'm also sure that if hypothetically he didn't get 1A, Bossreggie wouldn't spend the flight bumping 1A or pouring water on their seat.


Sent from the Throne

 

[nlagalle]

I wonder how the OP would feel if his suggestion was put into practice and he was bumped from his preferred seat for a CL?? I'm betting he wouldn't be happy..

 

[yohy?!]

I think you will find that the more value you are to a business, the LESS you would need to even ask for this. It happens without me requesting it. In my hundreds of international flights with Qantas in First, I have sat in 1A every time except 2. 1 was because the seat was not working and the other was because my +1 wanted to sit in the seat right next to me rather than 1K.

I don't usually have to buy a ticket at so last minute so having someone move seats to please me is not something I would have asked for. As I mentioned, it was done with being requested. I know it has happened on other occasions as I have had fellow pax mention to me that they had seats re-allocated.

I would suggest to you Feper, that your value to Qantas is not quite at the level to have this happen for you yet.

Waiting for OP reply on this - their commercial value rating is obv fall lower if they can only get seated in row 4 or 5

 

[Feper]

Waiting for OP reply on this - their commercial value rating is obv fall lower if they can only get seated in row 4 or 5

Seeing as though I would be extremely unlikely to ever pay 20k for a return flight to LA then yes my commercial value is probably less than Mr Boss

I have never claimed to be QF's most valuable customer but I am sure I am in the top .2% and yes 95% of the time the seat allocation works well, not sure if its done by QF or my travel agent who knows my preferences.

Its amazing here that the majority of my detractors seem to come form those who see something at risk for them or the fact that they are not getting something.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

I have never claimed to be QF's most valuable customer but I am sure I am in the top .2%

Yes, I do only fly f or J internationally, but domestically it's all Y, my point is that the choice should be there whether it is for 1A or 73K

Top 0.2% and Y Domestically.....hmm......

 

[Feper]

Top 0.2% and Y Domestically.....hmm......

Hmmmm, prudent with my travel budget, hmmmm domestic travel probably accounts for 20% of all my flights.

8M Frequent flyers, top .2% is one of 14,000 estimated to be around 4,000 P1 members hmmmm do the math

 

[Kangol]

Feper, did you really pour water on someone's seat when they went to the bathroom?

To answer the question, P1 and CL shouldn't be combined in the same category because by definition they are not in the same league.
For CL - yes.
For P1 - no.
For CLP1 - see CL answer, only because they are CL who happens to fly a lot.

A P1 hoping to be classed in the same league as a CLP1 is similar to someone with both legs amputated claiming they run as fast as Usain Bolt.

Just sayin'

 

[Kangol]

We do!!

I am always pre-allocated the seat I like to fly in.

Maybe I'm just that little bit more important to QF than you are Feper?

Welcome back BR!

PS. This should be in the running for best post of 2012.

 

[k3nnis]

Not risky for me I'm qf bronze lol

Seeing as though I would be extremely unlikely to ever pay 20k for a return flight to LA then yes my commercial value is probably less than Mr Boss

I have never claimed to be QF's most valuable customer but I am sure I am in the top .2% and yes 95% of the time the seat allocation works well, not sure if its done by QF or my travel agent who knows my preferences.

Its amazing here that the majority of my detractors seem to come form those who see something at risk for them or the fact that they are not getting something.

 

[medhead]

0.2% of 8 million is 16,000. that includes all 3000 WPs and 22% of lessor platinums. Not all that exclusive really. Certainly nowhere near worthy of being able to bump people out of their already allocated seats.


Seems to be that bumping people is something reserved for CLs or CLP1s.

Feper, did you really pour water on someone's seat when they went to the bathroom?

I doubt it. I'm still trying to work out how it is possible to accidentally bump an A380 business seat from the row behind. I'm not sure what claiming to do something that is not possible means, but it means something.

 

[JohnK]

I wonder how the OP would feel if his suggestion was put into practice and he was bumped from his preferred seat for a CL?? I'm betting he wouldn't be happy..

Has been avoiding an answer to that question.

 

[Feper]

0.2% of 8 million is 16,000. that includes all 3000 WPs and 22% of lessor platinums. Not all that exclusive really. Certainly nowhere near worthy of being able to bump people out of their already allocated seats.


Seems to be that bumping people is something reserved for CLs or CLP1s.



I doubt it. I'm still trying to work out how it is possible to accidentally bump an A380 business seat from the row behind. I'm not sure what claiming to do something that is not possible means, but it means something.

It was perhaps a quarter of a bottle, as for bumping, it's not hard to do as you walk to the lounge to get a magazine.

 

[medhead]

It was perhaps a quarter of a bottle, as for bumping, it's not hard to do as you walk to the lounge to get a magazine.

I call shenanigans. Not possible on an A380. You've never been in the business cabin.

 

[Feper]

I call shenanigans. Not possible on an A380. You've never been in the business cabin.

All the seats are brown and red