Surely it is now now time to change lounge access rules

[Kangol]

Not true! You can reserve spa treatment & book kerb-side assistance.....you can request a note for the flight crew regarding degustation need.

For your stock standard WP F booking customer like me - thats it! Maybe you can reserve a table if you are CL or management.

I remember bossreggie saying he always had the same F Lounge table booked and also had a shadow
But then again he was always CLPO flying F..

I have seen Reserved signs before so they would probably be for CLs...

 

[Feper]

Ok back in for one final round, a couple of points I will pick up some members on.

A couple of people have said that P1 is not a level, it is merely WP with benefits, seriously all don"k kid yourself here, P1 is indeed now the top level, that is why it is clearly printed on boarding passes and passenger manifests, some bright spart in QF marketing thought we will call it P1 so we don't have all the WP's bleating that they are no longer at the top of the pile (as they have throughout this thread). It is quiet clear to me that over the past 12 months, my upgrades have gone through the roof, never any issues changing flights and most times very well looked after so much more than pre P1 days

For me a lounge is not a place to "have an experience" or see how much cheap champagne I can guzzle, it is my office, my dining room and my bathroom, travel as much as I do and yes these things are important to keep me and my business on top of things, so yes I do expect to be able to utilise these facilitys; sure it may be a first world "problem" but then the whole idea of a lounge is a first world experience, so please stop throwing in that line.

My whole point throughout this thread is to give F,CL & P1 an area of their own, where they can be guaranteed to access a meal, a seat, and a shower ( and to be kept a arms length from the great unwashed of WP would be a bonus)

Would love to keep you all amused further but I have a plane to catch, and yes, I got the free upgrade again ( must be that mythical P1 level that doesn't exist)

 

[QF029]

As previously stated, you want the bar raised enough so you get in on FF status but not anyone below you. There's no interest like self interest.

 

[samh004]

My whole point throughout this thread is to give F,CL & P1 an area of their own, where they can be guaranteed to access a meal, a seat, and a shower ( and to be kept a arms length from the great unwashed of WP would be a bonus)

Your argument was that the F lounge was for F only.

P1 isn't F. It's a lot of flying, and you should be looked after, but if you're in J, Y+ or Y, it's still not F.

You have no more access to the lounge than anyone else with status. In fact, someone flying F without status should have more access than you, they should get in, you should be left blubbering.

You want a lounge to yourself, either fly private or get off your high horse and stop suggesting the current benefit should apply to you because you're P1. P1 is hardly relevant. It is, but it isn't. You're nothing compared to someone that's always in F. And I say that with all the grace and kindness I can muster. I'm not being rude, I'm simply speaking the truth. F is for F. If you're not in F, no matter if you're spending $1 billion a year on Qantas, but flying in J, you're not welcome in the F lounge. Unless you agree to let everyone else in.


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[k3nnis]

Go tell AJ what you wish for, and I doubt he will give you your wish

Ok back in for one final round, a couple of points I will pick up some members on.

A couple of people have said that P1 is not a level, it is merely WP with benefits, seriously all don"k kid yourself here, P1 is indeed now the top level, that is why it is clearly printed on boarding passes and passenger manifests, some bright spart in QF marketing thought we will call it P1 so we don't have all the WP's bleating that they are no longer at the top of the pile (as they have throughout this thread). It is quiet clear to me that over the past 12 months, my upgrades have gone through the roof, never any issues changing flights and most times very well looked after so much more than pre P1 days

For me a lounge is not a place to "have an experience" or see how much cheap champagne I can guzzle, it is my office, my dining room and my bathroom, travel as much as I do and yes these things are important to keep me and my business on top of things, so yes I do expect to be able to utilise these facilitys; sure it may be a first world "problem" but then the whole idea of a lounge is a first world experience, so please stop throwing in that line.

My whole point throughout this thread is to give F,CL & P1 an area of their own, where they can be guaranteed to access a meal, a seat, and a shower ( and to be kept a arms length from the great unwashed of WP would be a bonus)

Would love to keep you all amused further but I have a plane to catch, and yes, I got the free upgrade again ( must be that mythical P1 level that doesn't exist)

 

[anat0l]

Ok back in for one final round, a couple of points I will pick up some members on...

If anything, I actually support your idea that should be implemented if only that it may actually reflect the opinion of the P1 collective and we don't have to have you fuming and festering at the inferior lot that you make us out to be! No one likes a super elite scorned or annoyed.....

My point would be that if your solution came to fruition, it would need to involve:

• Benefits kept the same as now, so the solution adds to existing benefits (e.g. if that addition is simply a dedicated space, then so be it).
• The lounge space required to implement this solution is in addition to the existing space. Annexing existing F lounge space would be wrong. If need be, a mini-spa and a couple of showers should feature in the new space.
• Don't call the new space anything containing the words: Platinum, Chairman, Emerald, First, Premium, Premier.

Come to think of it, for people who are truly significant to Qantas and have been bestowed with the title of Chairman's Lounge, what's the purpose of their lounge, really?

My whole point throughout this thread is to give F,CL & P1 an area of their own, where they can be guaranteed to access a meal, a seat, and a shower ( and to be kept a arms length from the great unwashed of WP would be a bonus)

I'm so glad that you've decided to come clean on your prejudice.

 

[anat0l]

Go tell AJ what you wish for, and I doubt he will give you your wish

Come on, you know he hardly gives us ours even if he was on ether....

 

[11sjw]

For me a lounge is not a place to "have an experience" or see how much cheap champagne I can guzzle, it is my office, my dining room and my bathroom, travel as much as I do and yes these things are important to keep me and my business on top of things, so yes I do expect to be able to utilise these facilitys; sure it may be a first world "problem" but then the whole idea of a lounge is a first world experience, so please stop throwing in that line.

Here we have the crux of the issue. The F Lounge isn't just "your" office, dining room or bathroom. QF don't hand out double SC promotions willy-nilly and would have all implications of them mapped out. Hence they expect to be able to cater "reasonably" well in their Lounges at any given time. If that inconveniences you and you don't like it, fly with someone else. However the Lounge is also "ours" (at QF's whim) and we'll continue to use it. Much like scamming the DJ status match for some car rental freebies, isn't it?

One would suggest that if having to wait a few minutes for a shower means your business is going to fail, then it was always precarious at best.

 

[Fantic125]

For me a lounge is not a place to "have an experience" or see how much cheap champagne I can guzzle, it is my office, my dining room and my bathroom, travel as much as I do and yes these things are important to keep me and my business on top of things, so yes I do expect to be able to utilise these facilitys; sure it may be a first world "problem" but then the whole idea of a lounge is a first world experience, so please stop throwing in that line.

My whole point throughout this thread is to give F,CL & P1 an area of their own, where they can be guaranteed to access a meal, a seat, and a shower ( and to be kept a arms length from the great unwashed of WP would be a bonus)

As one of the "great unwashed" the F lounge is also my office, my dining room and my bathroom. If you thinks it's tough traveling J or F and not getting a seat in the lounge, try spending a few hundred hours in the non-pointy end of the plane.

I appreciate what is offered from both OW and *A lounges because most of the time it is better than what is offered at my destination.

First world problem indeed.

 

[medhead]

Ok back in for one final round, a couple of points I will pick up some members on.

A couple of people have said that P1 is not a level, it is merely WP with benefits, seriously all don"k kid yourself here, P1 is indeed now the top level, that is why it is clearly printed on boarding passes and passenger manifests, some bright spart in QF marketing thought we will call it P1 so we don't have all the WP's bleating that they are no longer at the top of the pile (as they have throughout this thread).

It is probably timely for you to go back and read the Qantas website, it only mentions 3 levels. Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Benefits & Privileges

Frequent Flyer Privileges

We believe you should enjoy more rewards the more you fly. So we offer three levels of membership above the Bronze entry level - Silver, Gold and Platinum. Each membership has particular privileges. The higher your membership level the greater your privileges and the more points you can earn. Find out the privileges of each membership level:​

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It is quiet clear to me that over the past 12 months, my upgrades have gone through the roof, never any issues changing flights and most times very well looked after so much more than pre P1 days

Sorry to break it to you but as a scum platinum my free upgrades have gone through the roof in the last 12 months as well. Your comment about no issue changing flights is very interesting. The only people who normally have issues changing flights are those on non-flexible economy fares. As a highly valuable customer I would have expected you to be on more expensive fares that allow changes, which would mean that really isn't a benefit of platinum one. In any case, for the record I've had no problems changing flights at the last minute either, still only a scum platinum

My whole point throughout this thread is to give F,CL & P1 an area of their own, where they can be guaranteed to access a meal, a seat, and a shower ( and to be kept a arms length from the great unwashed of WP would be a bonus)

Perhaps you need to re-read your original post in the thread. Here it is for you:

Surely it is now now time to change lounge access rules.

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The time has come to get these first class lounges back to what they say they are, for First Class passengers, CL and P1 only.
[snip]

These first class lounges (sic) means the existing lounges not some new lounge. You made absolutely no suggestion of a new lounge. You said reduce existing lounge access. Of course they are called "first lounges" but as has been mentioned numerous times a first class lounge would only be for first class passengers. NOT P1.

Would love to keep you all amused further but I have a plane to catch, and yes, I got the free upgrade again ( must be that mythical P1 level that doesn't exist)

No one said there aren't extra benefits for platinum one, overall it is just formalising extra unwritten benefits for high earning platinum members. But as Qantas clearly states there are only 3 levels.

And yes - on any discussion regarding lounge over-crowding - I would start with guest privileges.

Oh can we discuss my favourite wish - a return of guest passes?

 

[dajop]

My whole point throughout this thread is to give F,CL & P1 an area of their own, where they can be guaranteed to access a meal, a seat, and a shower ( and to be kept a arms length from the great unwashed of WP would be a bonus)

I've said it before, I'll say it again. If you don't like what QF are offering, fly someone else instead. Simple as that. If you feel they are not doing enough to earn your 4000+ a year SC business, move that business elsewhere. Simple as that.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Would love to keep you all amused further but I have a plane to catch, and yes, I got the free upgrade again ( must be that mythical P1 level that doesn't exist)

Out of interest, what class of travel did you purchase? From your comments, I wouldn't have thought you would be travelling on a Y ticket, certainly, and probably not a J - but obviously I was wrong.

Good luck with the upgrades, but I hope you don't come to expect that as a right; you should always expect to travel in the class booked. (And use the lounge for that class of travel!)

As I noted earlier, I do think there should be a separate First lounge for pax travelling in First, but it sounds like you might miss out on it, if you are not travelling in F.

 

[Happy Trails]

While I don't agree with the OP, I don't believe he deserves quite the level of opprobrium that some have heaped on him. He's sparked nearly 200, largely entertaining, posts in an otherwise slow news week and returned several times to defend his views. And hands up all those who've never had a whinge here about QF.


For the record I've not been able to get a table on only one of the last dozen or so visits to SYD and then I've been quite happy to eat at the counter rather than wait a short time. Never had a problem with general seating or had to wait for the showers.

 

[beardoc]

Ok back in for one final round, a couple of points I will pick up some members on.

A couple of people have said that P1 is not a level, it is merely WP with benefits, seriously all don"k kid yourself here, P1 is indeed now the top level, that is why it is clearly printed on boarding passes and passenger manifests, some bright spart in QF marketing thought we will call it P1 so we don't have all the WP's bleating that they are no longer at the top of the pile (as they have throughout this thread). It is quiet clear to me that over the past 12 months, my upgrades have gone through the roof, never any issues changing flights and most times very well looked after so much more than pre P1 days

For me a lounge is not a place to "have an experience" or see how much cheap champagne I can guzzle, it is my office, my dining room and my bathroom, travel as much as I do and yes these things are important to keep me and my business on top of things, so yes I do expect to be able to utilise these facilitys; sure it may be a first world "problem" but then the whole idea of a lounge is a first world experience, so please stop throwing in that line.

My whole point throughout this thread is to give F,CL & P1 an area of their own, where they can be guaranteed to access a meal, a seat, and a shower ( and to be kept a arms length from the great unwashed of WP would be a bonus)

Would love to keep you all amused further but I have a plane to catch, and yes, I got the free upgrade again ( must be that mythical P1 level that doesn't exist)

If this post isn't enough evidence that the OP is taking the p***, I don't know what is.

 

[markis10]

A couple of people have said that P1 is not a level, it is merely WP with benefits, seriously all don"k kid yourself here, P1 is indeed now the top level, that is why it is clearly printed on boarding passes and passenger manifests, some bright spart in QF marketing thought we will call it P1 so we don't have all the WP's bleating that they are no longer at the top of the pile (as they have throughout this thread). It is quiet clear to me that over the past 12 months, my upgrades have gone through the roof, never any issues changing flights and most times very well looked after so much more than pre P1 days

If P1 is a different level it would appear as such on the website, in the program's terms and conditions etc etc (and not be in the Platinum section under more benefits). Just because its printed on a boarding pass does not mean anything, I often get CIP on mine, and that's not a level in any program, neither is "catering not assured", LOL, and until recently if you worked in QLD health you could get "prince" put on your boarding pass .

 

[amaroo]

I remember bossreggie saying he always had the same F Lounge table booked and also had a shadow
But then again he was always CLPO flying F..

I have seen Reserved signs before so they would probably be for CLs...

I think those reserve signs are a ruse.....simply an aid to ensure that staff control the seating arrangement.

Two weeks ago we walked (4 of us) into SYD Flounge & scanned the dining room for available tables.....noticed the round table had a reserve sign so started to walk to the next section. The waiter approached us & asked if we wanted to have lunch, we replied that we would however, there are 4 of us......no worries, you can have the round table & he quickly whipped the reserve sign away!

The best part was it was 30 minutes before the lunch menu started.....he encouraged us to just sit, have some drinks & enjoy the view. He said take the table now as it will ge gone by the time lunch started

 

[simongr]

Not sure how P1 is connected to upgrades - I have only had one in 10 flights since hitting P1.

 

[ReLoad]

Ok, so since it obviously isn't a joke thread which I had assumed that it was....

Lets run some numbers ask yourself this OP.
How many WP's are there in the QFF program?
How many extra WP's are there because of the DSC promotions?
How often do these newly minted DSC WP's use the F lounge?

I've already got a fair idea as to the above and the actual impact of the F Lounge increased numbers - and is it the source of very debatable "Overcrowding"? The answer is no.

Whilst the OP is within his rights to treat it as his workplace, his kitchen and his bathroom, he forgets to realise that it is a shared workspace with many other people just like the rest of us who are WP and beyond whose work is equally as important in our own eyes and we are as equally as "entitled" to be there.

So OP, with the "Proliferation" of WP status from freeloaders, try the J lounge, it will surely be empty now? oh wait, the freeloading former silver members are up in there now....... ;P Perhaps then the gate lounge will be empty as everyone is in the lounge?

 

[Heleigh]

I think those reserve signs are a ruse.....simply an aid to ensure that staff control the seating arrangement.

Two weeks ago we walked (4 of us) into SYD Flounge & scanned the dining room for available tables.....noticed the round table had a reserve sign so started to walk to the next section. The waiter approached us & asked if we wanted to have lunch, we replied that we would however, there are 4 of us......no worries, you can have the round table & he quickly whipped the reserve sign away!

The best part was it was 30 minutes before the lunch menu started.....he encouraged us to just sit, have some drinks & enjoy the view. He said take the table now as it will ge gone by the time lunch started

That is the reason why there is a reserve sign - too many singles or couples taking them.

Back to OP don't agree with a separate F lounge for F pax out of Aus there are too few pax and within OW the only true F lounge is CCR (LHR quite busy but JFK usually empty [for F pax and poss. CL?]).

The one I do agree with is the dining situation and that can be easily solved - there are two eating sections one for F J and CL the other for everyone else even P1.

The shower facility never been a problem for SYD and MEL but an issue in HKG QF F lounge and LHR T3 with up to 20min wait.

Seating never had an issue there.

Spa (in nearly every thread re this I have replied the same) QF SYD and MEL are the only lounges that allow non F and J to use the facility. Up until June 2010 you had to show J or F BP. I still believe it should revert back with the proviso that Y and Y+ can book but subject to - that should a J or F (fly in) pax have priority and Y and Y+ be reassigned.

Never been given an upgrade but always fly F or J paid (while I can afford to).

Do believe there is a slight difference between WP and P1.

 

[serfty]

...

Do believe there is a slight difference between WP and P1.

Slight? OTTOMH, I'd suggest a minimum of $10k of direct revenue to Qantas!

Posted on a wing and a prayer ...