Sydney Airport- A National Disgrace

Here in Aust, they don't let you near an aircraft, unless you have a need to, AVID/ASIC to work, or after going through dom/int sec screening if having a need to fly a service.
At least we are not as "bad" as the US, where you need a BP to get past dom sec screening, and have to contend with the TSA.

But a pedestrian tunnel from T2/3 to T1 would not necessarily give you access to the runway or any aircraft, especially if its a landside entrance/exit on both sides.

If its airside it would be more secure because passengers and their carry-on will have been screened at security to ensure no nasties that can cause a risk to the services above are taken through the tunnel. LAX has pedestrian tunnels airside between some terminals.

Noting no one screens the cars driving under the airport for bombs etc.

It is moot due to the cost and also the differences in what one can take airside between Domestic and International. If cost wasnt an issue and we had consistent liquids rules then they would do airside transfers via another underground train line.

Of course the airport could give customers with an I-D or D-I connection a free ticket to take the train.

Although its funny that at LHR where they have underground carriages to take passengers from T5 to the remote gates, they still use a bus to do airside transfers from T3 to T5.
 
It’d probably be cheaper to have a sideways-lift travelling around the perimeter than to tunnel under the runway … which likely violates whatever agreement was signed with Macquarie Bank when the airport rail line was funded.

We had a monorail they could have recycled (after all it was already recycled from expo88 to city).

DFW uses elevated rail airside around the edges, so yes possible.
 
Like landside connections within LHR (including Hatton Cross) where tube and rail are free.
Y’know … if the ticket booths at the international & domestic terminals dispensed free tickets to each other … and the airport owners paid the station owners about $4 per ride … and the ”airport tax” went up by 50c/pax (because would even 10% of ‘plane pax use the train to transfer) … everyone would win, heaps more pax would use the train, nobody would notice the “airport tax” increase.
 
I would say, no change.
Even though in 2030, its 30 years of the franchisee holder/consotium (Airport Link Company (or what ever its called) can be kicked out, and the govt take back ops, they wont do it.
They will either let the ALC keep ops, and pay the govt a nice tidy left over, or the NSW govt will find another op.
Think about it, what kind of a business pays you a dividend, just because people cross 2 points, at $10 per shot, the trains are normal "CityRail" trains, the airport pax still have to sit with the plebs, the staff at the staff booths at the airport are employed by ALC, ergo the NSW govt has no staff wages or entitlements to pay out.
Win win for the NSW govt to keep things as they are.
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Google said the ALC paid the NSW govt $87m in 2018, $87 m.
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In the Airport Link co website, their about us is blank, timetables is blank, they take opal, so NSW govt wins in that sense too, operational dividend and no financial risk for NSW govt
 
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Same at Haneda. You can get a ticket for either train to other stations within the airport by showing your passport and flight details to staff at an airport info desk.
I did not know this - oops. I guess I've been paying ¥150/¥200 all this time for nothing.
 
I would say, no change.
Even though in 2030, its 30 years of the franchisee holder/consotium (Airport Link Company (or what ever its called) can be kicked out, and the govt take back ops, they wont do it.
They will either let the ALC keep ops, and pay the govt a nice tidy left over, or the NSW govt will find another op.
Think about it, what kind of a business pays you a dividend, just because people cross 2 points, at $10 per shot, the trains are normal "CityRail" trains, the airport pax still have to sit with the plebs, the staff at the staff booths at the airport are employed by ALC, ergo the NSW govt has no staff wages or entitlements to pay out.
Win win for the NSW govt to keep things as they are.
The NSW government would likely get better revenue by being paid by whoever owns the airport, than if it ran the airport itself … private corporations are expected to be bigger coughholes who treat their employees like scum.

Which means any agreement WRT the existing train is going to be between two private entities; the owner of airport operations, and the owner of the right to charge customers for access to the airport stations. Gumbyment getting involved in that would result in all sorts of NO THEY CAN’T DO THAT!!!
 
What people don't seem to understand is that this is Australia.

The dollar will always rule supreme, come what may.
 
What people don't seem to understand is that this is Australia.

The dollar will always rule supreme, come what may.
Agreed, but the right arrangements between dollar-takers can ensure everyone involved makes more of ‘em!
 
Going underground is always vastly more expensive than the other options...
When the only other option is ‘change nothing’, it still looks good to me. How much is a smaller replacement fleet of TBusses and fewer salaries for the drivers and maintainers over the next 50 years?
Of course everything to do with ‘infrastructure’ is very expensive these days because we need 14 consultants per m3…

They would deem it a security risk, so it would be a no go.
Unlike WLG, which has a pedestrian tunnel under the runway, I did walk it once, about 2 years ago, it wasn't too deep.
But in 2023, they would probably deny any approval to build it.
The T2/T3 SYD train tunnel is only rail transport, so its probably why it got approved, plus there was money to be made.
A tunnel linking two secure areas of an airport? You’re ’avin a laff.
Certainly didn’t stop LAX building walkway tunnels under the tarmac between terminals 4-5-6.
 
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I just wish they had the buses that went to both domestic and international on the same route that went further than Mascot station. :(
We definitely miss the ease of getting in the bus without the need to transfer
 
They probably want to grease the Airportlinkco's profits and ergo, their own, by making it difficult to get around by anything else than the more expensive solution.
Bus fares from/to SYD airport are the cheapest, but only services as a limited reach, in the end, person still has to get a train, or more buses, and thus the bus fares goes up.
3km/5km/8km
Transfer benefit is $2.
At least Myki has a fixed $5 fare for zone 2, ie, you can go quite far with a max fare of $5 per 2 hrs, 901 reaches quite far into the other side of Melbourne from Tulla.
For Sydney, you have to get off one mode, and then onto another mode ie train/another bus/ferry, $maybe $6 then - $2 transfer benefit, = $4 (maybe cheaper than Myki).
Bah humbug... so
 
At least Myki has a fixed $5 fare for zone 2, ie, you can go quite far with a max fare of $5 per 2 hrs, 901 reaches quite far into the other side of Melbourne from Tulla.

$5 is the Zone 1/2 cap. It's $3.30 for Zone 2 only, but it's a heck of a ride on 901. Theoretically you after 2 hrs you'd be getting off at Blackburn (which is when the 2 hr cap expires, after that it's $6.60), and then it's another 1.5 hrs to Frankston. :eek: A journey only for public transport youtubers I think.

For the same amount of time, you could be in Albury by public transport, in fact fun fact, if you caught the 18:05 901 bus, you'd connect to the Albury train and be in Wodonga only 13 mins after that same 901 bus reaches it terminus at Dandenong.
 
They probably want to grease the Airportlinkco's profits and ergo, their own, by making it difficult to get around by anything else than the more expensive solution.
When I used to catch the 400/410 as a student I remember it being an absolute dog of a route. It was never on time and there'd be no buses for an age, then three would arrive together. I hated it.

I think it was also the longest bus route in the city too. Chopping it up was probably more to do with trying to fix that (and probably also the privatisation of State Transit... keep buses in their region or whatever).
 
A number of US airports have, not only dedicated share ride app pick up areas, but also nearby packing lots for such share ride drivers to be close to the airport to wait for new bookings.
ie, they have dedicated separate pick up points and waiting infrastructure for normal taxis and share ride apps. (though in many cases, the normal taxi pick up point is right outside the baggage claim area, while the Uber etc point is some distance away.)

And "cell lots" where people going to pick up arrivals can park until they get a call that their pax is on the curb. Usually for free!!

Relatively small tunnel under the runway shouldn’t be prohibitively expensive.

Ugh. You wouldn't believe how expensive it would be. Decision for airport management: Major capital expenditure bringing no aditional income to the airport, OR customer inconvenience? I'll let you guess the answer!! :rolleyes:

Lots of airports with longer than 1km walks

IST!!!
 
I agree. Terminal 4 is the pits, kerbside if you look closely there is just rubbish littered in the bushes and gutters.

Death match - Melbourne T4/3 (really just one now) v Sydney T2.

Both awful in very different ways.
 

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