The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

Hmmm tried to book a vaccine and the online tool said not eligible.
They have to get official confirmation. Same thing happened when Morrison announced that 2A would be able to get vaccinated from 3 May - took weeks for hotdoc to catch up. In fact we were already vaccinated by the time hotdoc allowed 2A to make appointments. Phoning might work, although when we phoned our respiratory centre they said they had to get an official notification, they couldn’t go on media announcements. We then phoned a state vaccination centre and they made an immediate appointment- just takes a bit of perseverance. However phoning and making an appointment with your GP would work as well - a week to wait wouldn’t matter really. :)
 
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I am under 40 and I think I'll give my local GP a call tomorrow. I am close by so could get there quickly if they have any spare.

Be quick - there is a big surge of bookings coming through! People are just booking directly with clinics offering AZ. Not through the booking tools which still have not been updated.
 
Victoria has moved hard and fast, Dan Andrews has just requested more AZ vaccine for Victoria on ABC Radio and told everyone to book in to see their GP ASAP.

He also flagged pharmacists would soon be rolling out AZ to under 60’s - which I didn’t hear last night.

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AstraZenenca can now be requested by anyone under 40 in huge change to vaccine program​


Prime Minister Scott Morrison has revealed a massive change to Australia's coronavirus vaccination program, announcing anyone under the age of 40 can now book in with their GP and request the AstraZeneca vaccine.

 
I have booked a Telehealth appointment with my GP tomorrow. I'll ask him if he can prepare a quick letter in case I go elsewhere to try and get vaccinated before then.

They are fully booked up with second doses for this week, but might be able to get a first dose next week.
 
The AZ vaccination news has really turned my mood around this week. While yes the number of cases Australia wide is a concern, the change in who now can get vaccinated with AZ means that we as a nation should now get to where we need to be in vaccination rates many months earlier than seemed likely yesterday.

And vaccinations to work properly needs to be community wide. The Hoxton party being a case in point where only some were vaccinated and so the spread continued.
 
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Last night

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This morning


And Clare, from the Daily Telegraph, has wasted no time in acting on the news that she herself reported :)

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The "heaps and heaps of available appointments" being why the the GP utilisation rate was low. ie It is nothing at all to do with the GPs not being efficient, and everything to do with that they mainly just had access to AZ where the demand was being suppressed.
 
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I would like to get Pfizer but as I'm too young to be eligible for Pfizer yet, AZ will probably be all that is offered.
Welcome to feeling like a 60 year old feels.

I accept that I am a flawed human, and I would in fact prefer AZ to Pfizer for the first round (AZ is a more traditional vaccine approach in my understanding of it), but I just absolutely resent not being given any choice in the matter. I know it's a bad quality, but being forced to just blindly do what other people tell me I have to is totally infuriating to me. As I noted before, my daughter in particular told me to stop acting like I was 15 years old and just do it, which I did. I will be very interested to see what she (aged 34) now does.
 
The actual good news yesterday was mandating age care workers be vaccinated and given them paid time to get vaccinated, although absolutely pathetic they have 3 months to get their first shot (they have been eligible since 1a in Feb). The mandate should have bene be fully vaccinated by 30th Sept (if over 60 and getting AZ - wouldn't be majority), but for the under 60s to be fully vaccinated by end of July with Pfizer.

Sad that there was also no such mandates for hospital (Covid ward and ER staff) and airport workers (only transport drivers).

This AZ opening up to younger cohort is largely a diversion, it does nothing to encourage the hesitant over 60s who have had months to get their first dose to get vaccinated.

Its the failure of some of those workers in covid facing roles and many in age groups that have greatest health risk to get vaccinated despite having access since Feb and March respectively, that leaves us vulnerable to states closing borders and locking down. If this group is not adequately motivated to comply, it matters not if all the 20 somethings are vaccinated when it comes to freedom of movement and a functioning economy.
 
Welcome to feeling like a 60 year old feels.

I accept that I am a flawed human, and I would in fact prefer AZ to Pfizer for the first round (AZ is a more traditional vaccine approach in my understanding of it), but I just absolutely resent not being given any choice in the matter. I know it's a bad quality, but being forced to just blindly do what other people tell me I have to is totally infuriating to me. As I noted before, my daughter in particular told me to stop acting like I was 15 years old and just do it, which I did. I will be very interested to see what she (aged 34) now does.
Out of interest, when you go for a flu vaccine, do you insist on one brand rather than another? Or if you are poorly, do you ask the doctor for one particular type of antibiotic rather than allowing him/her to choose whatever they think is best for your circumstances? And if not, why is this any different?
 
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The AZ vaccination news has really turned my mood around this week. While yes the number of cases Australia wide is a concern, the change in who now can get vaccinated now with AZ means that we as a nation should now get to where we need to be in vaccination rates many months earlier than seemed likely yesterday.

And vaccinations to work properly needs to be community wide. The Hoxton party being a case in point where only some were vaccinated and so the spread continued.

Yes I agree, this morning there is just some more hope!

Apparently Dan, Gladys, Prof Sutton and Dr Chant with Greg Hunt were the ones that drove the AZ decision through - Good job and congrats to VIC and NSW for taking some leadership.

And in addition to requesting more AZ from the Feds, Victoria has this morning announced they are exploring administering AZ to under 60’s in their mass vax hubs as well as GP’s (Dan also mentioned pharmacists).

It’s good to see some real aggression now on the roll out with this news!

We now need a big PR campaign to try and address the months of scaremongering by the media and anti vaxxers to help address the misinformation in the community.
 
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This AZ opening up to younger cohort is largely a diversion, it does nothing to encourage the hesitant over 60s who have had months to get their first dose to get vaccinated.
FFS. It means millions of people who are not paranoid about tiny, tiny risks can now get vaccinated and help us get back to normal. And by doing so, that frees up Pfizer doses for others to also get vaccinated. Those who are hesitant should just have to live with the consequences of their choices.
 
Out of interest, when you go for a flu vaccine, do you insist on one brand rather than another? Or if you are poorly, do you ask the doctor for one particular type of antibiotic rather than allowing him/her to choose whatever they think is best for your circumstances? And if not, why is this any different?

I think this is actually a thing. There are a couple of different flu vaccines, at different prices. Some choose the more expensive one for better coverage.
 
Out of interest, when you go for a flu vaccine, do you insist on one brand rather than another? Or if you are poorly, do you ask the doctor for one particular type of antibiotic rather than allowing him/her to choose whatever they think is best for your circumstances? And if not, why is this any different?
Fair questions. And yes I do choose flu vax based on whether it is the tri-valent or quadri-valent type - I select the quadri-valent even though I have to pay more for it. And I do ask every year about the estimated efficacy of the shot. Not that I would refuse to have it if the efficacy in that year was low, I just like to know.

And on antibiotics, I am personally happy to take generic brands (these are supposed to be exactly the same as the branded ones), so I regularly get something that is not exactly as the doctor prescribed in terms of brand name, although apparently still the same underlying medication. My point is that I have a choice, even if it is an illusion of choice. When I used to get vaccines at the travel doctor, back in the days when overseas trips for work and pleasure were a thing, I was regularly offered a choice of different brands and combinations of vaccines for that purpose. And malaria preventions - there are so many different options that are made available to you, quite different treatment types. The doctor advises you and you choose what works best for you.

So yes, I do like to have at least the appearance of choice about my medical treatment, and in fact this is how I expect to work with my medical carers (and other advisers I have in my life). They are advisers, not dictators. They certainly have expertise that I am happy to respect and I actually almost always take their advice. However, I have had enough slightly unusual medical events in my life to know that doctors, like anyone, are not infallible, they don't know everything about me and ultimately it is my choice what I chose to do with my health. As it happens, my choice is almost always to do what the doctor advises me. However, in all aspects of my life, I absolutely detest being railroaded. I would like to be consulted and treated like an individual with a brain and a very clear self interest in getting the best care for my situation, rather than a number to be processed according to some random determinant like my age, especially in the face of the constantly changing and frequently inconsistent expert advice about AZ, for example. I understand that if facts change then advice needs to change - that is why I especially react to the dogmatic, inflexible "we are telling you" tone of the expert advice about these vaccines for the 60 plus age group. For example, apparently as of today, it's fine for anyone to take AZ. Yesterday, that was not at all the case. That's a pretty big swing. And it's not the first swing.

I recognise that it is somewhat ridiculous that I feel so upset about this, given that I would in fact take the AZ by choice. However, being told to take AZ, and only AZ, with no choice offered, or go unvaccinated, just drives me wild. And despite that, I took AZ anyway.
 
I think this is actually a thing. There are a couple of different flu vaccines, at different prices. Some choose the more expensive one for better coverage.

It is, some years there are cheaper tri variant vs better quad variants, and there are also different formulas recommended for seniors. If you don't check which one you are getting and whether its right for you, its just being lazy.

And WRT antibiotics:

I absolutely check what they are planning to prescribe (on the very rare occasions I need them) and cross check with a list Ive kept since childhood wrt if I've suffered side effects and effectiveness. I always insist on name brand too and not generic, although the essential ingredients are the same, some of the other ingredients can differ (like coatings). I've had a reaction to generic brand once that i never had to the name brand, so never again, always name brand.

Plus I am highly allergic to penicillin and find its imperative to double check when the prescription is being written and when being collected at the pharmac_ that the drug does not contain penicillin. More than once I've watched a GP and/or dentist rip up a script (their default always seems to be to prescribe penicillin) when I've insisted they double check.

Don’t forget there was a small note that over 60s that wanted Pfizer can wait at end of queue. So that queue will be shorter now under 60s can choose.

This is good news, as there are many who would otherwise not get vaccinated at all.
 
More choice most likely coming to with Novavax.

True if its fully approved.

But I suspect after the AZ experience, many will want to see real world (not trial) evidence of safety and effectiveness before lining up for Novavax. It will be interesting to see which first world countries deploys it first.
 
I think this is actually a thing. There are a couple of different flu vaccines, at different prices. Some choose the more expensive one for better coverage.
That's true but they are basically the same with the stronger one having the extra component from my understanding. But you know what? I just have whatever is in the syringe and dont ask the questions because well, what does anyone do with that information. Need to know? No. Because of pre existing I am eligible for the stronger one. I had the other one to time it with the Covid vax. I've never had the flu. Ever. But I do now get heavy colds that last longer. Nothing I can do about that. Next year it's the stronger one just because - I'm old enough 😩😂

This time last year we would all have been lining up and taking what was on offer once approved.
 
Millions more eligible to get a vaccine.

If that's a diversion, I want more of them.

Not to mention that while there has been great focus and alarm at a small rate of problems, that the delay in vaccinating the population has delayed, and will continue, to delay medical treatment and surgeries to a much greater number.

From a numbers perspective we have improved the health outcome for a few at the expense of many more.

Overall in my opinion, the health consequences of not rolling out AZ quicker ( ie cancer treatments, surgeries, mental health problems, asthmatics requiring hospitalisation due to delay in seeking treatment) has created more poor health outcomes than it prevented.

And that is without factoring in the very obvious health benefits of reduced transmission and infection of individuals from covid by having an adequate % of the population earlier.
 
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