The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

hat does anyone do with that information. Need to know? No.

Well you choose the better quad option which gives better coverage. Or if your a senior you make sure you get that vaccine, to give yourself the best protection.
 
True if its fully approved.

But I suspect after the AZ experience, many will want to see real world (not trial) evidence of safety and effectiveness before lining up for Novavax. It will be interesting to see which first world countries deploys it first.

Trials include "real world" stages.
 
Overall in my opinion, the health consequences of not rolling out AZ quicker ( ie cancer treatments, surgeries, mental health problems, asthmatics requiring hospitalisation due to delay in seeking treatment) has created more poor health outcomes than it prevented.

Depends on the state, not all have suspended elective surgery and cancer treatments.

There is zero justification for suspending elective surgery or treatments because of a handful of cases. Just like zero excuse for reducing arrivals when there are a handful of cases.

Even though there is covid in Sydney right now, a friend of mine if having her bone marrow transplant this week (she is actually a Canberran, but they don't do the transplants there).
 
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Well you choose the better quad option which gives better coverage. Or if your a senior you make sure you get that vaccine, to give yourself the best protection.

Well, do you have the vaccination early in the season, which means you aren't covered later, then supposedly end up having to have a second one. Do you wait for the stronger one which is available later, and get flu before you get the chance to have it. And people do get flu in April (husband 2 years ago) before the strong one was out.

This seems to be a very similar discussion to Covid vaccine availability though, doesn't it 😉Unless allergic to something, then honestly I take what works at the time. Life is full of risks, like driving in the car to get there.
 
Depends on the state, not all have suspended elective surgery and cancer treatments.

Even though there is covid in Sydney right now, a friend of mine if having her bone marrow transplant this week (she is actually a Canberran, but they don't do the transplants there).

People have posted on this forum examples of NSW hospitals delaying cancer treatments.
 
Well, do you have the vaccination early in the season, which means you aren't covered later

Flu vaccination provide 6 months protection, no need for a summer booster unless your are planning on travelling to norther winter (not an option right now).
 
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People have posted on this forum examples of NSW hospitals delaying cancer treatments.
SA cancelled elective surgery for months unless category 4 and many private hospitals were put on standby for other patients if Covid went rampant in the public ones. How many people put off tests that should have been done?
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Flu vaccination provide 6 months protection, no need for a summer booster unless your are planning on travelling to norther winter (not an option right now).
Being vaccinated in March meant by July then protection was very much waning. There's a lot of winter after July. So two doses were suggested for early takers. And which we had to do because of husband developing flu the year prior, in early April.
 
People have posted on this forum examples of NSW hospitals delaying cancer treatments

Regional areas and that was last year during Vic border closure.

I know several people having cancer treatments at the moment in NSW - my ACT friend with the bone marrow transplant for leukemia and two friends having breast cancer treatments in two separate cancer centres.
 
Regional areas and that was last year during Vic border closure.

I know several people having cancer treatments at the moment in NSW - my ACT friend with the bone marrow transplant for leukemia and two friends having breast cancer treatments in two separate cancer centres.
Of course there will be cancer treatments happening but that does not mean there are others whose treatments have been delayed.
 
Of course there will be cancer treatments happening but that does not mean there are others whose treatments have been delayed.

But the extent of the delay is based on where you live. Some states are too quick to shut down elective surgery and then too slow to get them going again, we all know most elective surgery isnt that optional.
 
What a wonderful country where we debate the merits of different vaccines and for the vast majority of those eligible - adults - have a choice. How wonderful that we don't have people dying like flies of covid ( or dying of it at all ATM I think).

But how aweful that we can't get exactly what free vaccine we want and exactly when and where we want it. How confusing that the PM etc takes expert health advice ( as opposed to, say, pedestrian.tv 🙄), and is prepared to change public advice when the health advice changes as the virus mutates and it's effect on the population changes.

I used to describe myself as relatively intolerant of government and its bureacracy but compared to many here and elsewhere, I'm a saint 😄. A bit of perspective would be handy from many. Think about what's gone on around the world in the past 18 months. Name the Countries you'd rather be in and why, but take the whole covid experience not cherry pick good or bad bits.

Personally I'm very happy to be in Australia, now and before.
 
Good to see D Chant focusing her commentary on the people who most need to get vaccinated, and like Gladys setting an expectation we need to live with covid. From ABC blog:

"I think it is important we go back to the objectives of our vaccine program. We are not using vaccination to get rid of the disease, which is like what we're doing with measles, where we know if we get 95 per cent of the vaccinated population, we can have minor incursions but then stomp it out."

"Even at 80 per cent of the population protected, we will still see COVID able to transmit in the population and that is what the Premier is talking about, in terms of what living with COVID means. What we are doing at the moment with the vaccine rollout is two-fold. We are trying to vaccinate the most vulnerable in our community, so the vaccines are very effective at stopping hospitalisations and death, one of the severe consequences of COVID.

"We also have had subsequent information around the fact that they do also have an impact on transmission. The second group we are trying to vaccinate is all those workers that come into contact with returned overseas travellers, be that crew, flight crew, ports, or our returned travellers in the quarantine system.

"The reason for that is we are trying to stop any incursions. We are using a layered approach with vaccination being part of that layer to protect us against these incursions. If we divert vaccines from an older age group to a younger age group, we're not going to have that much of an impact on transmission because not enough of them will be vaccinated.

"Secondly, the people that are progressively more likely to have consequences for COVID are those across all age groups that have got underlying health conditions and people in their younger age groups that have had underlying health conditions, have been eligible for a while for the vaccine but, as you get older, your impact of COVID and your likelihood of hospitalisation and death is greater and that's why that is why those age cohorts have been prioritised."
 
Fair questions. And yes I do choose flu vax based on whether it is the tri-valent or quadri-valent type - I select the quadri-valent even though I have to pay more for it. And I do ask every year about the estimated efficacy of the shot. Not that I would refuse to have it if the efficacy in that year was low, I just like to know.

And on antibiotics, I am personally happy to take generic brands (these are supposed to be exactly the same as the branded ones), so I regularly get something that is not exactly as the doctor prescribed in terms of brand name, although apparently still the same underlying medication. My point is that I have a choice, even if it is an illusion of choice. When I used to get vaccines at the travel doctor, back in the days when overseas trips for work and pleasure were a thing, I was regularly offered a choice of different brands and combinations of vaccines for that purpose. And malaria preventions - there are so many different options that are made available to you, quite different treatment types. The doctor advises you and you choose what works best for you.

So yes, I do like to have at least the appearance of choice about my medical treatment, and in fact this is how I expect to work with my medical carers (and other advisers I have in my life). They are advisers, not dictators. They certainly have expertise that I am happy to respect and I actually almost always take their advice. However, I have had enough slightly unusual medical events in my life to know that doctors, like anyone, are not infallible, they don't know everything about me and ultimately it is my choice what I chose to do with my health. As it happens, my choice is almost always to do what the doctor advises me. However, in all aspects of my life, I absolutely detest being railroaded. I would like to be consulted and treated like an individual with a brain and a very clear self interest in getting the best care for my situation, rather than a number to be processed according to some random determinant like my age, especially in the face of the constantly changing and frequently inconsistent expert advice about AZ, for example. I understand that if facts change then advice needs to change - that is why I especially react to the dogmatic, inflexible "we are telling you" tone of the expert advice about these vaccines for the 60 plus age group. For example, apparently as of today, it's fine for anyone to take AZ. Yesterday, that was not at all the case. That's a pretty big swing. And it's not the first swing.

I recognise that it is somewhat ridiculous that I feel so upset about this, given that I would in fact take the AZ by choice. However, being told to take AZ, and only AZ, with no choice offered, or go unvaccinated, just drives me wild. And despite that, I took AZ anyway.
Interesting. Maybe I've just been luckier with my health; I can't recall ever feeling a need to question doctors' advice, although of course I have had choices to make on occasion. I don't knowingly know(!) anyone who feels any different.

Malaria aside, I've never, ever been offered a choice of travel vaccinations; I didn't know this was even a possibility until I read your post. Maybe this is a UK v Australia thing as I've never had a travel vaccination here. In the UK, you go to your surgery (the vast majority of travel and other vaccines are free in the UK) and the nurse will ask you where you are going, what you are doing there, how long you'll be there, whether you will be in a remote area, etc, etc, look up what is recommended and stick it in your arm or backside. Is that not how it is done here then?

I had my first flu vaccine, here, last year. Wouldn't have crossed my mind to have one prior to Covid - flu vaccines were for old people! Again, didn't occur to me to question what I was given. Same this year.
 
I am now really confused: 2 weeks ago AZ was so risky it would only be recommended to persons older than 59; but now AZ is fine for people younger than 40.
 
I am now really confused: 2 weeks ago AZ was so risky it would only be recommended to persons older than 59; but now AZ is fine for people younger than 40.

Yes you have ATAGI to blame for that confusion - but VIC and NSW members did not agree with this which has lead to a work around now, for people to access AZ if they want it from GP’s to start with (VIC have flagged they are looking at making available via mass vax hubs too).

GP’s are taking appointments and calls directly right now - and I hear the online booking tool is being updated as we speak too.
 
I should have made a booking for next week when I looked yesterday, nothing showing until August.
 
I am now really confused: 2 weeks ago AZ was so risky it would only be recommended to persons older than 59; but now AZ is fine for people younger than 40.
Thank you. I was thinking similar because according to the masses last week, I was going to die (I was Dr Googling my headaches after injection) but today its gates open and a rush to get it.

I still wake each morning and wonder each night if I feel I have a headache or other issues listed on the list. Two weeks tomorrow, so far so good.
 
Flu vaccination provide 6 months protection, no need for a summer booster unless your are planning on travelling to norther winter (not an option right now).
You may wish to quality such statements with “I’m not a doctor but I think …). What you posted goes right against what my GP advised me when I asked about it.
 

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