The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

[Spongbob]

153 pages and still going ...

 

[Lynda2475]

According to Q& A last night the US is swimming in excess Pfizer and Moderna doses and has started selling to countries like Canada (as well as donating through Covax). The Australian Government shoud get on the phone and see if we can buy extra doses direct from the US Govt now.

 

[Lynda2475]

had thought about trying to book to go to Olympic Park in SYD before the latest VIC lockdown but the lockdowns scuppered all that.

You would not be allowed to get vaxxed there as an under 40 unless you are 1a or 1b. Olympic Park doesnt take walk ups and strictly adheres to the guidelines.

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Do they break it down at all for Pfizer/AZ? You post implies not at all.

Unfortunately not, but we need t push for that, we deserve the info.

 

[jakeseven7]

Personally I think supply will soon be yesterday’s problem, hesitancy much more likely to derail us getting to a reasonable target.

Yup same as UK and US, Israel.

Thats why so wish they’d shut up about 80% in the media, we are never going to get near that. God even in aged care where the mortality rate is more like 30% they’ve peaked at about 70%....

 

[Lynda2475]

Yup same as UK and US, Israel.

Thats why so wish they’d shut up about 80% in the media, we are never going to get near that. God even in aged care where the mortality rate is more like 30% they’ve peaked at about 70%....

We have no jab no play for day care and preschools, maybe they need no jab no stay for aged care?

 

[MooTime]

We have no jab no play for day care and preschools, maybe they need no jab no stay for aged care?

Just this freedom of right / choice baloney factor.
No idea about it legally, but why can it be right in childcare but not other Jab types?
It's law entering some countries certain jabs etc.

If the gov tried to introduce it to law to have an Aus approved covid jab, I'd hazzard a guess the opposition would go along, but greens no.
Guess no other countries made it law?

Guess childcare not used by all, flu shot not used by all & covid jab not used by all
Any lawyers out there??
Could gov pass this at all?
Maybe they wouldn't, too much opposition by average Joe, not vote winner?
Thoughts?

 

[Lynda2475]

Im ok for people to make the choice not to get vacicnated, but not for that choice to keep the rest of us locked down/in.

There are certain high risk work places where it needs to be mandatory for staff to be vaccinated (HQ, Aged Care, Airport workers, public/patient facing health care), if you choose not to vaccinate, you can also choose to work elsewhere. To get the best compliance you need these workers to have vaccine choice, as I believe more of the unvaccinated 1a/1b workers are currently AZ hesitant more so than vaccine hesitant.

However if you have to put a loved one into residential aged care, you wouldnt want them in a room next door to a resident who is unvaccinated or eating their meals in the dining room with other non vacicnated residents. Just like you dont want unvaccinated workers caring for them.

 

[Flying mermaid]

We have no jab no play for day care and preschools, maybe they need no jab no stay for aged care?

What they did for Childcare was made the Federal subsidy dependent on vaccination. I think all states have slightly different rules, but the subsidy applies to everyone.

so maybe a range of things is needed - a vaccination levy perhaps like the Medicare one, which you pay if unvaccinated unless there is a medical reason. Or maybe you can only go to restaurants if vaccinated? That might be a better first step without being too heavy handed. E.g. Ireland has limited indoor hospitality venues to the vaccinated.

 

[Flying mermaid]

OK - the weekly vaccination stakes update. Australia has managed to put in a spurt, overtake St Lucia and move up to 78th spot. However Kazakhstan is putting in a challenge. There is quite a bit of a gap between us and the next band, which includes Albania and Suriname - we might not catch up to them next week, but possibly in a fortnight.

 

[justinbrett]

OK - the weekly vaccination stakes update. Australia has managed to put in a spurt, overtake St Lucia and move up to 78th spot. However Kazakhstan is putting in a challenge. There is quite a bit of a gap between us and the next band, which includes Albania and Suriname - we might not catch up to them next week, but possibly in a fortnight.

Do you write for ABC Comedy?

 

[RooFlyer]

Tasmania has just hit 40% of eligible folk with a first injection, 12% with both and the main round of second AZs under-way.

Pharmacies still not being used.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Do you write for ABC Comedy?

We need some fun - it’s been a miserable day for me!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

No the official numbers show that the GP channel has the lowest dose utlisation, some 17% worse than the state run hbs.

"The notes states the dose utilisation is calculated based on the total doses administered and a small % wastage in line with international standards in relation to total available doses." But it is not so small in the GP channel.

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It would make sense to keep some of the state centres (particulary CBD based one ongoing for boosters), this is of course easier to do in states that are using purpose facilities, not borrowing event space. Everyone needs boosters, so there will be ongoing demand for some to remain.

Flu vax at pharmacies only runs a for a limited number of weeks each year, most pharmacies dont have space for people to wait socially distanced either.

Unless you have a heath care card or can find a GP that bulk bills (a rarity in inner Sydney), the GP route is an expensive one unless you have another reason to also go to the GP.

If they are going to allow pharamcies, they would do better to also allow workplace programs. Workplace flu vax prgrams bring in nurses and have great partcipation rate and cost people nothing but 15 minutes ou of their work day.

You are confusing efficiency with supply and demand.

The utilisation rate is lower simply because GPs mainly get AZ.

Pfizer is very limited in supply. AZ is not.


If the state hubs had AZ and GPs all the Pfizer the utilisation rate would be reversed.

 

[Lynda2475]

If the state hubs had AZ and GPs all the Pfizer the utilisation rate would be reversed.

Yeah no - that will actually result in more Pfizer being wasted.

BTW some of the state hubs do have AZ, so its also impacting the state figures a little, but nice try.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Yeah no - that will actually result in more Pfizer being wasted.

BTW some of the state hubs do have AZ, so its also impacting the state figures, but nice try.

Yes we all know state hubs do both vaccines.

GPs have mainly only had AZ till recently and still get tiny allocations of Pfizer.

A third of over 60s have not presented yet for AZ and that is why utilisation of AZ is lower.

It is demand being lower than supply.

It is not lack of efficiency.

 

[Lynda2475]

It is demand being lower than supply.

It is not lack of efficiency.

Its both.

A GP practice will never be as efficient as a mass vaccination centre that does hundreds of doses an hour.

 

[trevella]

I must be going bonkers - I am sure your comment said something different!

It most certainly did.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I think it’s a myth to keep saying not enough vaccinating is keeping Australia's international borders closed.

The more recently stated 80% vaccination rate I think is being used by some State Premiers to be like an aspirational goal. It does the job to start giving vaccine urgency.

No jab, no play type rules works better in respect of vaccines that have proven track record of having minimal/manageable side effects both in short term and long term. Covid vaccines have only just scratched the surface of that at the present time.

We will see a day that Australia's international borders will open without reaching 80% or 'herd vaccination'.

 

[Flying mermaid]

I think it’s a myth to keep saying not enough vaccinating is keeping Australia's international borders closed.

The more recently stated 80% vaccination rate I think is being used by some State Premiers to be like an aspirational goal. It does the job to start giving vaccine urgency.

No jab, no play type rules works better in respect of vaccines that have proven track record of having minimal/manageable side effects both in short term and long term. Covid vaccines have only just scratched the surface of that at the present time.

We will see a day that Australia's international borders will open without reaching 80% or 'herd vaccination'.

The Doherty Institute will be doing the modelling to come up with a vaccine target. It will be interesting to see what that is and whether all Premiers accept it….

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Personally I think supply will soon be yesterday’s problem, hesitancy much more likely to derail us getting to a reasonable target.

100%

Flew back to QLD late last week and l'm the only person who has had their first shot in my workplace.
I think the media (and social media) is playing a big roll in negativity and making people hesitant.

For my next shot, if Moderna would be available l'd take the Canadian method and mix 'n' match the 2 jabs. Don't think it will be though.