The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

[HappyFlyerFamily]

You admitted your post was provocative. I'm explaining why drawing conclusions from that table is meaningless. You can disagree with me if you like but I'm entitled to point out why I don't agree with your (self described as provocative) post. If doses were fully utilised that literally means 0% of doses left - ie, no spare. I don't know why saying that upset you.

If you don't want people debating your posts, don't make provocative claims.

Well I'm entitled to say - You still can read a table. Well done. Still no proof that there are no AZ on shelves in fully utilised states. Labelling is not debating.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I don't know what the definition of utilised is but there is absolutely AZ on the shelves in WA waiting to go in to arms.

 

[justinbrett]

I don't know what the definition of utilised is but there is absolutely AZ on the shelves in WA waiting to go in to arms.

The definition:
• The dose utilisation is calculated based on the total doses administered and a small % wastage in line with international standards in relation to total available doses

Nobody is saying there's no available AZ, but they are using 100% of what they order (allowing for wastage) - ie, there is no stockpile. This is also just the state delivered jabs, not the PHC, which has a much lower utilisation rate and does not have a state breakdown. Does it matter? Probably not, if a state under orders and uses 100% vs a state that over orders and has a running surplus, the end result is the same as long as the vaccines aren't destroyed. Hence my overall argument this is a meaningless table.

I rest my case, and I'm moving on.

 

[dairyfloss]

From Greg Hunt's presser on the allocation of vaccines - reported through SMH:

Victoria has received higher per capita vaccine allocation than NSW: Hunt​

By Michaela Whitbourn​

Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt says Victoria and Queensland have both received additional COVID-19 vaccine doses above their per capita share, as he dismissed criticisms that NSW is receiving more than its fair allocation.

“The critical thing here is to save lives and protect lives,” Mr Hunt said. “It would be almost unimaginable not to be providing the support ... to those most in need at their time of greatest need.”

“As we have had outbreaks, we have prioritised those areas to save lives. In particular, we started with prioritising Victoria when there was a Victorian outbreak.”

He said “the Victorian state system has received a higher per capita rate of doses delivered than NSW”, with 3 million doses delivered.

“The NSW government has received just over 3.3 million doses. That is 32 per cent versus 26 per cent.

“Every state and every territory receives a per capita allocation, and where there is ... an outbreak, as we did with Victoria, which we prioritised when they had an outbreak, we made sure that saving lives has been at the heart of what we are doing.”

 

[bcworld]

From Greg Hunt's presser on the allocation of vaccines - reported through SMH:

Here's a dissenting analysis (long thread if you click through).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1435102725922951168

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I don't know what the definition of utilised is but there is absolutely AZ on the shelves in WA waiting to go in to arms.

There is an explanation of utilisation taking into account wastage. At full utilisation there will be stock on shelves.

The original question was:

I'm not sure how you can make an assumption that lower rates of vaccination in WA/QLD is due to supply rather than demand. NSW/VIC probably a reasonable comparison but if for example you look at vax stats in Victoria in their mini outbreak in June, you can see that vaccinations fell off quickly once Victorians thought they were over it. From an average of 50K a day to less than 30K, a pretty good example of the effect on demand of being in lockdown vs not..

More probably, Pfizer demand and supply was the main point of the query. The reference only to AZ is a diversion and/or spurious (which in turn makes the labelling much more offensive).

As there are high utilisation rates, there is no evidence to definitively rule out (lack of Pfizer) supply as the reason for the low vaccination rates in certain areas. So jurisdictions will still be open to make that claim for the time being.

Those with a (relatively) higher utilisation can more easily make the claim that lack of supply is slowing down vaccination rates (ie someone of 99% has an easier argument than someone at 97%) - especially in the environment of no extra doses and/or no brought forward doses, but the reality of current high utilisation across all jurisdictions means all can still make that claim if they chose to. (Note: NSW authorities was still making Pfizer supply an issue back in mid-August when overall utilisation was dropping to 98%.)

With plenty of doses in the current month, it will soon be found out whether the new "border" decisions in some jurisdictions will impact on future demand levels.

 

[burmans]

Perhaps provocative, but only 3 jurisdictions were fully utilised - as at week 28 (6 September info) - Qld, WA and ACT.

Well this may explain part of the problem in QLD

Dirty tricks: Anti-vaxxers book COVID shots, fail to turn up

Anti-vaxxers have been booking GP vaccination appointments with no intention of showing up in an effort to deliberately waste doses, a leading doctor says.

thenewdaily.com.au

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

From Greg Hunt's presser on the allocation of vaccines - reported through SMH:

One presumes the Federal Health Minister means Pfizer throughout.

Here's a dissenting analysis (long thread if you click through).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1435102725922951168

Is there someone who can work backwards from the graph to derive the actual data and see whether it matches up in some way to the published incomplete data??? Still not much transparency.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Well this may explain part of the problem in QLD

Dirty tricks: Anti-vaxxers book COVID shots, fail to turn up

Anti-vaxxers have been booking GP vaccination appointments with no intention of showing up in an effort to deliberately waste doses, a leading doctor says.

thenewdaily.com.au

Not surprising and there is also the potential benefit of some administrative error such that they get labelled as one-dose vaxxed without taking the jab.

 

[jrfsp]

One presumes the Federal Health Minister means Pfizer throughout.

In the press conf he was very careful in his wording and the allocation he was talking about was "state hubs" only not total amounts.

In reality we'll never know its all smoke and mirrors.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

In the press conf he was very careful in his wording and the allocation he was talking about was "state hubs" only not total amounts.

In reality we'll never know its all smoke and mirrors.

Really??? The Federal Minster is essentially repeating page 13 of the usual public information

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/09/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-update-7-september-2021.pdf

- Not sure the Federal Minister is doing that. NSW Pfizer in State hubs looks a fair distance in front of Vic Pfizer in State hubs.

 

[jrfsp]

Really??? The Federal Minster is essentially repeating page 13 of the usual public information

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/09/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-update-7-september-2021.pdf

- Not sure the Federal Minister is doing that. NSW Pfizer in State hubs looks a fair distance in front of Vic Pfizer in State hubs.

As in on a per capita basis, not total amounts, VIC has received more in its state hubs than NSW, he didn't mention which vaccine or if he did I'd tuned out by then.

But again that's one of the three delivery channels so not total amount.

 

[JB expat]

All I can say is that it clearly is a race, and the

Well this may explain part of the problem in QLD

Dirty tricks: Anti-vaxxers book COVID shots, fail to turn up

Anti-vaxxers have been booking GP vaccination appointments with no intention of showing up in an effort to deliberately waste doses, a leading doctor says.

thenewdaily.com.au

I don't understand the position "you cannot tell me what to do, I don't want to put chemicals into my body and it is my body" YET "I have every right to make it difficult for you to exercise your choice as to what to put into your body." I just don't understand these people at all.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

From Greg Hunt's presser on the allocation of vaccines - reported through SMH:

Very careful use of data there and given that the discussion was on all doses and the GP channel in particular he completely avoided answering what was .being question

He is not talking about total doses per state, just through one channel. The State Hub Channel. Hunt is talking only about distribution via the State Hubs, and we already knew that the Vic State Hub Channel % wise was delivering more than the NSW State Hubs % wise.

If we look at all doses to all three channels you get the complete picture. .




So Vic has received 67% of the Pfizer that NSW has received. Prorata would be 82%



Someone should also ask Hunt about the Aged Care and Disability Channel. If you examine the doses in this channel over the last month you will note the following:

• Over the last month total doses went from 549,409 to 803,775. Up 254,366 doses.
• 182,498 doses went through to NSW = 72% of the doses over the last month to only NSW
• The other jurisdictions all had much smaller increases. ie Vic went up 16,881 doses = 6.6%
• No data is given on vaccine type, but clearly NSW is being provided with a lot more vaccinations than all the other jurisdictions.

So you have the State Channel that Hunt only was talking about. Then you have the GP Channel that was on the ABC last night, and then the Aged Care and Disability Channel which of all the three channels has by far the greatest imbalance in in terms of vaccinations made over the last month.



Now we all get it. NSW had a large health problem from a growing Covid Outbreak, and needed to receive extra assistance. But not all the extra assistance was made public, and from what we can see now it is more than Hunt or Morrison referred to publicly.


Evidently according to General Frewan the shortfall in doses will start to be addressed in Victoria from 13 Sep. So we will find out after that, how quickly that imbalance is addressed or not. The focus of Frewan now needs to switch back to getting all jurisdictions up to 80% fully vaxxed as closely as possible. Obviously if some states do not use as much AZ that may slow them down, but the use of Pfizer and Moderna needs to be balanced and timely.

Certainly there will be a lot more scrutiny of vaccines doses were state actually delivered and not just the press releases on what is going to the State Hubs.

 

[Batterytraveller]

All I can say is that it clearly is a race, and the

I don't understand the position "you cannot tell me what to do, I don't want to put chemicals into my body and it is my body" YET "I have every right to make it difficult for you to exercise your choice as to what to put into your body." I just don't understand these people at all.

They aren’t rational they are just dickheads.

 

[burmans]

Meanwhile, back on the daily vax stats, yesterdays stats not looking so great and I don't think this can all be put down to supply.

Post automatically merged: Sep 7, 2021

They aren’t rational they are just dickheads.

Please don't call them idiots though.

 

[dairyfloss]

I know there is one other fairly certain element, as well… which is that no state which is falling behind would likely have done much differently in terms of performance than they are doing today, even if those supplies had been perfectly balanced throughout. NSW pushed the hell out of AZ, while other states were still pointing fingers about containment and covid zero, putting up hard borders, and securing or fighting to retain football matches. The fact that we now as a country have a near unlimited supply (vs the distribution and execution capacities) for the month of September and going forwards is all that really matters. The rest, like most politically led discussions, is probably irrelevant. Save it for one of the many coronial inquiries into who is the nastiest and most parochial leader

 

[mviy]

Both The Age and Herald Sun have stories about VIC's Pfizer allocation on the Front Page.

The Age - "Fight over Victoria's 'fair share' of Pfizer" - "A federal government tally has revealed NSW received more Pfizer vaccines than its share of the population over the past seven months as Premier Daniel Andrews demanded 340,000 extra doses from Canberra to rectify the 'secret' and 'under the table' arrangement."

Herald Sun - "Potshots over Vic vax snub"

Regardless of what you think of it, both the major papers in VIC are running a story about it on their Front Pages tomorrow.

NT News - "It's crucial for 80% of the Territory's population - especially our vulnerable remote communities - to be vaxxed ... We asked the feds to tell us how we're going, this is their shocking response..."

 

[justinbrett]

Something has happened to the NSW state delivered jabs this week, a significant drop from 45-50K daily to 31K today and 28K yesterday.

I'm guessing they've either exhausted their Pfizer supply or AZ appointments are rebooking for Pfizer now there will be more supply shortly.

 

[QF WP]

My wife and I are finally booked in for our first dose (both eligible for Pfizer and getting it) on Saturday at the Brisbane CEC. Then off to the Gabba for the AFL semi-final at night. Hopefully neither of us get any adverse affects, Fathers Day and my mothers birthday is the next day!

Happy to report only a slight inflammation at the needle site for both of us and a little slower the next morning (that may be because of Lions losing) .

Next jab already booked for 3 weeks time - whilst I'm not sure the efficacy is at it's best after only 3 weeks, I understand the second jab is a much greater concentration of the virus so higher likelihood of after effects. Good to get it done on a Saturday, so have the Sunday to recover at home