The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

She has a plan. Right now, I'd put anyone with a plan in place. She seems to be the only one.
They all have plans. Dan has a plan (or I did until he nearly went and permanently incapacitated himself, I guess James has a plan now, but it doesn't rhyme). T

The thing is the plan/responsibiity the states have is but a subset of all those who need to be vaccinated.

 
They all have plans. Dan has a plan (or I did until he nearly went and permanently incapacitated himself, I guess James has a plan now, but it doesn't rhyme). T

The thing is the plan/responsibiity the states have is but a subset of all those who need to be vaccinated.

I normally ignore discussions/arguments between two opposite political parties but it’s a red flag to me when two from the same flavour are in dispute.
 
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They all have plans. Dan has a plan (or I did until he nearly went and permanently incapacitated himself, I guess James has a plan now, but it doesn't rhyme). T

The thing is the plan/responsibiity the states have is but a subset of all those who need to be vaccinated.


Vic at least has just been getting on with the job without the theatrics of joining the shrieking match v Feds and ignoring all the media pile ons. I thought their commentary was very civil.
 
76,000 vaccinations done yesterday. If that is done daily (x 5 with less on weekends) then that pretty much uses the weekly supply of vaccine. CSL is not producing a million a week as yet as they are trying to re engineer the production line so they can produce more and they keep back 50% for second doses. So we pretty much are doing as much as can be done with the available supply. The lack of vaccine continues to be the limiting factor.
 
76,000 vaccinations done yesterday. If that is done daily (x 5 with less on weekends) then that pretty much uses the weekly supply of vaccine. CSL is not producing a million a week as yet as they are trying to re engineer the production line so they can produce more and they keep back 50% for second doses. So we pretty much are doing as much as can be done with the available supply. The lack of vaccine continues to be the limiting factor.

That's the thing... I get the international supply. I won't enter the blame game on that... but I don't really see how a missing batch of 250,000 doses is much in the grand scheme of things (which represented our final order, down from 3.1 million last year). 250K doses would be used in three days.

What I am opposed to is that we were told - or at least actively led to believe - was that CSL would be producing 1 million doses a week by now.

Right now it's 'best endeavours'.

Professor Murphy has had his vaccine. All the politicians have had their vaccine. Then the spin and back-tracking begins. The Cth has always told us they under promise and over deliver. So their 1 million dose estimate should have been an under-promise as it was.

(OT but let me predict it here... when Fiji, Singapore and Thailand open as tourist bubbles, politicians will be on the first flights 'to show leadership and courage that it's safe to travel'.)
 
That's the thing... I get the international supply. I won't enter the blame game on that... but I don't really see how a missing batch of 250,000 doses is much in the grand scheme of things (which represented our final order, down from 3.1 million last year). 250K doses would be used in three days.

What I am opposed to is that we were told - or at least actively led to believe - was that CSL would be producing 1 million doses a week by now.

Right now it's 'best endeavours'.

Professor Murphy has had his vaccine. All the politicians have had their vaccine. Then the spin and back-tracking begins. The Cth has always told us they under promise and over deliver. So their 1 million dose estimate should have been an under-promise as it was.

(OT but let me predict it here... when Fiji, Singapore and Thailand open as tourist bubbles, politicians will be on the first flights 'to show leadership and courage that it's safe to travel'.)
Apparently the million could be produced now but they want CSL to produce more than 1 million per week so CSL has to try and change things in order to ramp up - optimising the fill and finish line so they can produce more each week. I guess a few weeks of slightly lower is worth it, if it means they can produce more than a million a week after that. They were also trying to streamline the batch approval process which is another cause of delays.

while only 250,000 were blocked from export I gather EU is indulging in semantics here. They made it clear apparently that the export licence would not be given for a larger amount, so only a small amount was applied for and then that was blocked!

there have clearly been some problems and stuff ups in delivery, but that’s to be expected. It is ramping up though and if they can keep up the current vaccination rate and grow it as more vaccine is available then it will happen.
 
I have a feeling that we will be getting surplus stock from the USA in a few months.

They have fully ramped up over there (I think Moderna is still trying ramp up more supply).
 
my 5c worth : If there had been a functional pandemic in Au, the capacity to respond with vaccines at a State level would have made the USA's Covid comedy look just plain brilliant.
 
I don't know if he repeated it this evening, but this morning(?) Scott Morrison mentioned a number of different medications that are far more likely to cause health issues than the AZ vaccine.
There will an announcement about this announcement, I understand.

Edit: Definitely an announcement about the rollout:

 
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Let’s just be clear.

The clinical evidence has not changed on AZ.

The only thing that has changed is the political positioning on AZ.

This is a very convenient get out of jail free card say a lot of clinicians in our circles.... wow look, surprise - it seems to have taken a lot of pressure off a government several million doses behind target and getting flayed in the media...

Hmmmm.

Meanwhile unless the Feds have secured a miraculous supply of the other vaccines from somewhere else.... the US?? (...but remember Canada is on its knees begging the US for vaccines too) - we can all forget any reprieve in international borders for even longer.

Plus our beloved premiers get an extended power grab as well slamming borders shut for longer to look tough. Awesome. Great night.

Let’s just pray that some clever federal bureaucrat has secured a supply of the other vaccines somewhere....
 
I am still keeping an eye on our vaccination ranking. We have now soared past Bangladesh and Oman and have Lebanon and Sri Lanka in our sights :)
Last year infection rates and rankings were based after the first 100 confirmed infections

Those statistics that are being cited have little relevance unless they are baselined.

Show me them based on days after the first official dose. That is, from when innoculations commenced in each country.
 
Last year infection rates and rankings were based after the first 100 confirmed infections

Those statistics that are being cited have little relevance unless they are baselined.

Show me them based on days after the first official dose. That is, from when innoculations commenced in each country.
Isn’t this just a bit of fun? I like seeing us climb the rankings.....
 
And according to Harvard Medical school the incidence of the clots associated with the AZ vaccine is 5 per million per year prior to Covid.
Yes that is measured over a complete year and being compared with the AZ vaccine delivery in the EU which has only been going for around two months. Very early, after just a few weeks of vaccinations using it there were clotting deaths were reported in Italy & Germany.

To annualise just the deaths (not total cases of this rare clotting) at that stage would have meant multiplying the number by 20x, total vaccinations in Germany & Italy using AZ at that stage was less than 2 million doses. Why 20x = avg number of weeks for total AZ vaccinations delivered converted to annualised basis.

"Approximately 1.6 million Germans have been given the AstraZeneca jab, about 17% of the total number of Covid-19 vaccines to have been administered in the country so far."

11 deaths due to rare clotting /2 = 5.5 deaths per million people vaccinated x 20 = 110 deaths per million (annualised) vs 5 cases per million (NOT deaths just cases).

Also, looking into the typical age of the 'normal' cases vs the age of the 'AZ' related cases should be what is reported to provide a true 'apples with apples' comparison.

An article I skimmed through two days ago from some German insitute (but stupidly did not bookmark) stated that the age-related incidence was more than 10,000 fold greater for under 40s vs normal incidence.

Given AZ's history of being 'sparing' with the truth - a pause is definitely warranted.

Over the years, AstraZeneca has had its share of legal trouble, paying more than $1 billion in federal fines and legal settlements for corrupting clinical trials and illegally promoting antipsychotics. It has also had to deal with several lawsuits filed by patients who say the drugmaker’s products injured them.

off-label or unapproved promotion of medical productsUSD $594,000,000
False Claims Act and relatedUSD $543,241,159

More recently (last week) it got caught out several times for misrepresenting the efficacy achieved in its US trials - claiming 100% efficacy, then 79% efficacy, then 76% efficacy.

With one of its own 'independent' experts blowing the whistle on AZ selectively eliminating results from people vaccinated who subequently caught CV many weeks after the 2nd dose. Just today it was revealed that AZ's latest results provide just 50% efficacy in preventing asymptomatic cases.
 
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you in 1b?

Nope im under 50 and healthy and not a front line worker, so the only people below me on the list are under 18s. Hence why i believe given this development i wont be seeing a jab until next year. So sadly cant see any international travel for me before 2nd half of 2022, meanwhile my parehts will be fully vaccinated by June, not that they will be travelling anywhere.

We bet way too much on AZ and CSL. When i say we need more onshore capability it needs to be someone other than CSL who have failed to keep up with latest technology, and can only make one thing at a time. A competitor will bring something new and also then force CSL to update.

I have friends my age in US (no health issues) who got their second shot of Pfizer and Moderna this week, and my ex got his one shot J&J. Im seriously jealous as they can travel internationally in another 3 weeks. US have AZ siting in storage unused, what did they know?

I dont take the pill or any medications, and since we only have the occasional covid case in community, the risk of a blood clot from AZ is likely higher than my risk of catching Covid here (and with no long haul flying dvt also less likely). So i will now wait for Pfizer.
 
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There will be a long wait for Pzifer though in large scale numbers. August/September I am talking about once the other big nations slow their supply.

The government initially bought 10 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine. It was to be delivered at a million doses a month from February
Last I heard it was only 300000 doses a month. So definitely not enough for everyone under 50.
Incorrect on the number of Pfizer doses arriving per month. The first two weeks alone added up to 308,000 doses. March saw over 700,000 flown in.


The only delay is due to the Federal Govt's making - diversification did not occur to the powers that be.

On March 7th, 2021 NZ signed a contract with Pfizer to buy another 8.5m doses to start arriving from late April. There was nothing stopping the Australian Govt buying more. Both Pfizer & Moderna are close to finishing the ramping up of additional monthly production of around 50 million doses - most of which have yet to be contracted.

From Pfizer/BioNTech alone:

Pfizer and BioNTech ramp up COVID-19 vaccine production to 2.5 billion doses


31-Mar-2021 By Rachel Arthur

Pfizer and BioNTech expect to expand COVID-19 vaccine manufacturing capacity to up to 2.5 billion doses by the end of 2021, thanks to the optimization of production processes and the recent initiation of production in Marburg, Germany.

https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2021/03/31/Pfizer-and-BioNTech-ramp-up-COVID-19-vaccine-production-to-2.5-billion-doses

To date Pfizer & BioNTech have only signed orders for 1.4 billion doses but expect to face demand for at least another 600 million deliveries in 2021.



So the NZ Govt acted before this was widely reported - signing their deal by March 7th.

The New Zealand government has changed lanes on its COVID-19 vaccine supply deal, snapping up millions of Pfizer doses after it was proven to be more effective.

On Monday, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced it had purchased an additional 8.5 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, all arriving this year.

"This brings our total Pfizer order to 10 million doses or enough for five million people to get the two shots needed to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19," Ms Ardern said.

New Zealand previously announced pre-purchase orders for 14 million courses from Janssen, AstraZeneca and Novavax to supply vaccine.
Ms Ardern said the government had put those on ice.

So the NZ Govt reassessed the situation and acted. Even prior to tonight's developments in Australia - NZ will have completed its entire country-wide vaccination program (for all age groups not just adults) by the end of 2021.

Compare with the shambles of the Federal Govt who:
  • Initially claimed to have contracted multiple vaccine suppliers but the vaccine suppliers publicly refuted those claims & stated that the Australian Govt had merely sent letters of intent to discuss contracting.
  • Put nearly 100% of the vaccine eggs in the hoped for success of the University of Qld vaccine development using the HIV vector - subsequently abandoned due to providing false positives for HIV presence. As a result massively increased its 'intentions to buy' Novavax which is still in its early Phase III trials & first expected shipments if all goes 100% likely to be in the Dec Qtr.
So at that stage Australia had zero contracted vaccines (if successfully developed) vs NZ having signed up 3.

Subsequently

September 7, 2020: Contracts signed for CSL to produce 50 million doses of AstraZeneca vaccine in Melbourne (to replace failed University of Queensland hoped for production)

September 9: Contract signed with AstraZeneca for 3.8 million doses to be delivered to Australia in January and February from offshore

November 5: Contract signed with Pfizer for 10 million doses from overseas

January 17, 2021:
Supply issues force AstraZeneca to revise offshore delivery plan to 1.2 million doses

January 29: European Commission puts in place controls requiring member states to authorise the export of vaccine supplies outside of Europe

Early February: AstraZeneca applies for release of 500,000 doses manufactured in Italy

February 4: Contract signed with Pfizer for another 10 million doses from overseas

February 15:
142,000 Pfizer doses arrive from overseas

February 19: Health Minister Greg Hunt calls European counterpart to lobby for AstraZeneca doses to be released

February 20: AstraZeneca advised by EC to withdraw application and submit revised application for 250,000 doses. EC president Ursula von der Leyen tells Prime Minister Scott Morrison that 500,000 doses would not be approved

February 22: 166,000 Pfizer doses arrive from overseas. Deliveries continue each week

February 27: Italy recommends the EC deny export of 250,000 doses to Australia

February 28: 300,000 AstraZeneca doses arrive, but from outside of Europe

March 3: Export of 250,000 AstraZeneca doses from Europe to Australia is denied. Hunt calls European counterpart to advocate for release

Early March: Another 400,000 AstraZeneca doses land in Australia from a country outside of Europe

March 15: Hunt writes to European counterpart to seek review of export denial

March 17: Morrison asks von der Leyen for one million AstraZeneca doses to be released to help Papua New Guinea. PM still has not received a response

March 22: Hunt asks AstraZeneca to resubmit its export application to the EC

March 24: CSL releases 830,000 AstraZeneca doses made in Melbourne, with another 2.5 million awaiting final testing and approvals

Late March/early April: Another 470,000 doses released by CSL in Melbourne (released = approved for injection after passing final quality testing)

BTW - the 830,000 AZ doses released to the Federal Govt on March 24th mostly remain undelivered despite being available for injection for 14 days now.

Yet, after the offshore supply issues with AZ announced on January 17th just 1,200,000 doses would be coming from overseas - the Federal Govt shifted the 4 million doses injected from March 31st to early April....

Every week since Feb 15th there have been at least 135,000 Pfizer doses arriving in Australia on a certain B777 flight. Most weekly deliveries have been between 144,000 & 166,000 doses.

Yet the Federal Govt has failed to provide the states with sufficient doses to vaccinate all Priority 1A - Border/Quarantine workers nor Covid facing hospital staff even their first shot which would have only needed the first 5 weeks of deliveries to provide enough all to receive both their first and second shots ended on Easter Monday.

All border/hotel quarantine staff could have been done by the middle of March with the Pfizer doses received.

Many 5th or 6th Yr Med students working alongside the Priority 1A hospital staff have not been vaccinated either.

This morning an email was sent out telling all 5th & 6th Yr Med students in NSW (many of whom were already supposed to have received Pfizer due to being in potential CV facing areas on their current rotations but have not) to contact their local GPs to get AZ instead - to be done by next week! It was to be organised by COB today. Needless to say one very concerned medical student may have forgotten to organise it today....

"although we do realise that many students who are undertaking ‘Category 1a’ placements might not yet have been vaccinated. This issue is not specific only to medical students, but also applies to many JMOs and other doctors working in hospitals who have not been vaccinated during the ‘1a phase’."

I wonder if Greg Hunt has been on the phone to Pfizer seeing if any of the 600 million or so doses that are still available for 2021 delivery - remain uncontracted?
 
Nope im under 50 and healthy and not a front line worker, so the only people below me on the list are under 18s. Hence why i believe given this development i wont be seeing a jab until next year. So sadly cant see any international travel for me before 2nd half of 2022, meanwhile my parehts will be fully vaccinated by June, not that they will be travelling anywhere.

We bet way too much on AZ and CSL. When i say we need more onshore capability it needs to be someone other than CSL who have failed to keep up with latest technology, and can only make one thing at a time. A competitor will bring something new and also then force CSL to update.

I have friends my age in US (no health issues) who got their second shot of Pfizer and Moderna this week, and my ex got his one shot J&J. Im seriously jealous as they can travel internationally in another 3 weeks. US have AZ siting in storage unused, what did they know?

I dont take the pill or any medications, and since we only have the occasional covid case in community, the risk of a blood clot from AZ is likely higher than my risk of catching Covid here (and with no long haul flying dvt also less likely). So i will now wait for Pfizer.
When CSL were visited in 2019 by a well respected Australian fund manager with a medical/drug research (scientist) background - she asked why they were not looking into mRNA developments. Response - 'No need'.
 
This latest news is going to really annoy plenty of people and the Government can't say its not a problem there haven't largely made for themselves. These problems with AZ are not new, they have been known about for some time now. Yet we have a government that can't help itself, they've been spinning the "nothing to see here, AZ is perfectly safe" line hard. Then suddenly we have a 180 degree about turn. Shouldn't be surprised I guess, there does seem a strong pattern here.

Aside from the government itself we have some senior medical officials who have been too keen to parrot the party line. Cynically I think they may end up carrying the blame.

Coming on top of other recent events it's going to a tough month for the current government.
 
There have been a lot of woeful responses on here this morning about the AZ announcements last night, with a mix of what I consider are distortions and conspiracy theories.

As I understand it, the suspension of AZ for under 50s is recommended by an independent body that is chaired by Prof Cheng from Vic. Anyone saying publicly that this recommendation has been made by that body to benefit the government should be ready to defend their position.

The comparisons with other medications that can cause clots (eg contraceptive pill) are all very good, and your local GP or specialist will have advised on this based in many cases on decades of reports for those meds. The AZ vaccine is new, and various medical bodies around the world are being cautious, perhaps overly so., but if we cannot accept the recommendations of the experts where do we go?

I am 70 and will push to have my AZ shot sooner rather than later, but in doing so I know it will make little difference to when I can travel overseas, which is my goal for the purpose of family reunion.
 

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