The demise of Qantas international flights

[sjd]

All the others, eh?

To be clear, I meant pricing ex OZ. Impressive research .

 

[hossein_au]

Point taken. Even though I am not sure how much of a home advantage airlines give to their own countries, but I always thought the origin-pricing was based on how much people in each country can afford to pay. I am still under the impression that Aussies are not generally 30%-40% better off than thei German counterparts (especially the masses who fly discount economy).

What you are looking at isn't something isn't exclusive to QF in terms of pricing.

Name me an airline who doesn't price according to the market of origin. It is a well known practise, with many AFF members suggesting you purchase the reverse fairs where possible.

Don't have a go at QF on this one, but instead the entire market for this practise...

 

[Fruitcake]

All the others, eh?

I just love statements like this!!

...although more than 66% of your findings support sjd's hypothesis? :?:

 

[BD1959]

...although more than 66% of your findings support sjd's hypothesis? :?:

The hypothesis that it's cheaper to purchase away from your home market? I don't think so ...

Regards,

BD

 

[Fruitcake]

The hypothesis that it's cheaper to purchase away from your home market? I don't think so ...

Fair enough. I guess you can understand the confusion, given sjd's point was that fares originating in Australia are more expensive.

On the topic of flights which are more expensive if you book orginating in Australia;...

To be fair to QF they are not the only airline that prices this way, all the others do to....

However, I was extremely surprised to see that the CX fare was slightly cheaper ex-Australia. So a sincere thanks for posting that point!

 

[RRamjet]

Well Qantas out of Adelaide probably can't compete with the new Air Asia flights to ASIA via KL starting October 31st .......even though every direct flight out of Adelaide I have been on in the last 3 years, has been 90% loaded to absolutely full including the jump seats! The only reasonably priced X Adelaide to Asia fares with Qantas have been via unfilled Sydney to somewhere connections! When you have a family in tow an extra $200 or $300 dollars per ticket makes a big difference!
I think AA have the right idea, as we will be flying to Asia more often, with cheaper fares now available. Have booked the family with AA in late December, where we simply could not afford to go with Qantas peak season prices. An eight hour flight does not need the fancy trimmings, and its great to travel in near new well maintained Aircraft with pleasant customer service oriented cabin staff! Bring on the competition!

 

[Mattg]

Well Qantas out of Adelaide probably can't compete with the new Air Asia flights to ASIA via KL starting October 31st .......even though every direct flight out of Adelaide I have been on in the last 3 years, has been 90% loaded to absolutely full including the jump seats! The only reasonably priced X Adelaide to Asia fares with Qantas have been via unfilled Sydney to somewhere connections! When you have a family in tow an extra $200 or $300 dollars per ticket makes a big difference!
I think AA have the right idea, as we will be flying to Asia more often, with cheaper fares now available. Have booked the family with AA in late December, where we simply could not afford to go with Qantas peak season prices. An eight hour flight does not need the fancy trimmings, and its great to travel in near new well maintained Aircraft with pleasant customer service oriented cabin staff! Bring on the competition!

Welcome to AFF RRamjet, nice first post

 

[BD1959]

Fair enough. I guess you can understand the confusion, given sjd's point was that fares originating in Australia are more expensive.


However, I was extremely surprised to see that the CX fare was slightly cheaper ex-Australia. So a sincere thanks for posting that point!

It would be interesting (and frankly I haven't got the time) to look at SQ etc in comparison to CX. The point QF fallback to is that these airlines can afford to "subsidise" flights ex Oz as they're flying you to their hubs. BA, SA are both (pretty much) argued as end-of-line carriers similar to QF, though I don't think the stats with respect to LHR support that either.

What all airlines do to a certain extent is pricing their product to make their flights more attractive than the opposition. Hence BA's (and AY's etc) prices from mainland Europe tend to be cheaper than from LHR even though you're then compelled to fly through LHR.

What really surprised me was the price differential with BA between it's airfares ex UK vs ex Australia - though how much of that is down to the strength of the AU$ vs the GBP, and how much pricing higher than that ex-UK would hurt them substantially, I don't know.

Regards,

BD

 

[Janflyer]

My preference, being based in PER, would be to have the PER-HKG flight re-instated or, failing that, for QF to at least codeshare with CX on CX's direct PER-HKG flight or the SIN-HKG connection.
Other than that, some additional choice for anywhere in Europe or Asia would be nice.

 

[graxx]

The Sydney to San Francisco flight is the one I miss most. The flight through LA and the change-over of terminals to AA to fly the short hop to SF is terrible!

 

[elbarto]

Well, I'd actually prefer to fly over the continental US, to get the Wifi onboard for that part of the trip. I believe AA is even going to offer it on the transatlantic flights as well.

Price wise, seems fairly competitive vs DXB transfer as well.

Fair enough. But I don't see how QF flying LAX-LHR is going to help you get wifi since they don't offer it.

 

[jdp]

The Sydney to San Francisco flight is the one I miss most. The flight through LA and the change-over of terminals to AA to fly the short hop to SF is terrible!

This - I visit SJC a few times a year and was far happier driving up to SFO and flying direct than via LAX and the American Eagle shed at LAX. Also - how much nicer were the SFO staff over LAX?

Qantas dropping the direct ADL-SIN flight was a blessing in disguise - now I know how much better the SIA international Y product is.

 

[pearler47]

MEL to BKK (hub for Indochine) is now Jetstar. Suits some people but not all. FF points are almost unexpendable on so called partner flights. Makes FF membership increasingly worthless.

 

[a330j]

Diary of a little irishman: "The Board has just appointed me (the CEO of Jetstar) as CEO of QANTAS. Must be because of the job I was doing on Jet*. Must mean they want me to do a similar job on QANTAS. Now how to execute...I know ... expand Jet*, shrink QANTAS and eventually merge the two as the new QANTAS, but with Jet* cost structure and employment terms and conditions. Might not happen overnight but ...."

Just a thought...

 

[RooFlyer]

The Sydney to San Francisco flight is the one I miss most. The flight through LA and the change-over of terminals to AA to fly the short hop to SF is terrible!

With you 100% there! I went through SFO with United twice in the last fortnight. I had forgotten what a blessing both the airport and the city was to spend a day between flights, compared to the LAX / LA toilet.

 

[graxx]

Got an email from Emirates today- they have a Syd-San Fran flight too. Via Dubai!! Takes 30 hours. At least the aircraft are good.

 

[harvyk]

Diary of a little irishman: "The Board has just appointed me (the CEO of Jetstar) as CEO of QANTAS. Must be because of the job I was doing on Jet*. Must mean they want me to do a similar job on QANTAS. Now how to execute...I know ... expand Jet*, shrink QANTAS and eventually merge the two as the new QANTAS, but with Jet* cost structure and employment terms and conditions. Might not happen overnight but ...."

Just a thought...

I don't think it's that at all. I just think he is so bottom line driven that he forgets sometimes that QF is a value based airline not a price based airline. It's hardly his fault however as over the last 20 years, all businesses have forgotten how to do anything bar luxury or price. The "value" market has disappeared. Of course with investors et all shouting at you all the time for returns, it'd be really hard to put in any sort of program which does not make a return within 3 months, so little quick fixes (aka enhancements) which improve the bottom line become the norm.

 

[Valerie Moffat]

Last time I went to LHR and back I travelled Syd - Singapore and back in Premium Economy then Singapore to LHR and back in Business Class, on the same plane moving from one Class to the other, which meant I saved money and slept in comfort.
Will I still be able to do that?
Valmoff

 

[Quentin]

I can sympathize with others on this. Quite some time ago we lost ALL Qantas flights north from Darwin and everyone of them was replaced by coughstar. We used to have a 767 service (from ADL) to Singapore, which apart from being full service, offered Business Class seats and a cargo hold that took containerized freight - great for mango exports and the like. Qantas, in it's infinite wisdom scrapped all its flights from Darwin north bound and replaced them with a very bad budget carrier. Now we have international visitors, some of whom have paid many thousands of dollars to travel First or Business Class, who get as far as Singapore and are then quite literally herded onto coughstar and introduced to the worst inflight service one can be subjected to.
It is interesting how little Qantas cares about a smaller market like Darwin, as we now have more competition returning to the market with the recent arrival of Philippine Airlines (DWN to MNL daily); Silk Air (DWN to SIN daily), the return of Air Asia to Bali (not bad for a budget carrier) and in November the return of Malaysian Airlines with flights 5 times a week to KL. But not a hint from Qantas about bringing back full service aircraft, even on the heavily booked Singapore run.
While it means I don't get to build FF points with QF, at least I don't have to suffer with coughstar any longer!

 

[Aussie_flyer]

I can sympathize with others on this. Quite some time ago we lost ALL Qantas flights north from Darwin and everyone of them was replaced by coughstar. We used to have a 767 service (from ADL) to Singapore, which apart from being full service, offered Business Class seats and a cargo hold that took containerized freight - great for mango exports and the like. Qantas, in it's infinite wisdom scrapped all its flights from Darwin north bound and replaced them with a very bad budget carrier. Now we have international visitors, some of whom have paid many thousands of dollars to travel First or Business Class, who get as far as Singapore and are then quite literally herded onto coughstar and introduced to the worst inflight service one can be subjected to.
It is interesting how little Qantas cares about a smaller market like Darwin, as we now have more competition returning to the market with the recent arrival of Philippine Airlines (DWN to MNL daily); Silk Air (DWN to SIN daily), the return of Air Asia to Bali (not bad for a budget carrier) and in November the return of Malaysian Airlines with flights 5 times a week to KL. But not a hint from Qantas about bringing back full service aircraft, even on the heavily booked Singapore run.
While it means I don't get to build FF points with QF, at least I don't have to suffer with coughstar any longer!

Philippines just canned 4 out of 7 weekly drw flights just to let you know