The totally off-topic thread

[Buzzard]

We have a two storey house, the air con is on the roof approximately in the centre of the house and is super quiet.

I can be outside and not hear it running. Maybe I'm stone deaf

 

[Kieran2274]

I was prepared, given your clear desperation to have the last word, to simply let you have it (it's no skin off my nose) but I really do have to object to your frequent blagging, random changes of actual issue, and intent to continue trying to keep recasting (and casting aspersions) events.


So, in hope that the tin foil hat of yours might finally be removed, here is what actually happened (not just what occurred within the tin hat area).


Post #30487 was the original post

We have particularly officious greeny neighbours (one is stone deaf) who put letters in our mailbox quoting Council Regulations

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Princess Fiona, a resident of NSW, understandably upset by what amounts to harassment from a less than neighbourly neighbour. Note she doesn't mention said neighbour actually ever talking to her in an acceptable fashion, rather she's aggrieved by passive-aggressive behaviour from an idiot.

If such people just focused on improving their own lives, they wouldn't be such unhappy people feeling the need to make everyone as bitter and miserable as they are.

Post #30488, where I sympathised with Princess Fiona the behaviour of such quellrents, who often take minor issues and instead of resolving them like adults, make them snowball into massive disputes.


If, as you say in Post#30508, you 'deal with these sorts of matters on an almost daily baisis [sic]' then you'd be aware that these sort of disputes can and do escalate into matters of trespass, assault, battery, property damage and yes - there has even been a couple of murders - from idiotic quellrents who have lost all common sense and grip on reality and who have consumed themselves, their families, their whole communities with what where nothing more than minor issues.

It's not about being the enforcer, it's about abiding by the law! I deal with these sorts of matters on an almost daily baisis. I'd never personally enforce the law! (unless there was no choice) Heavens !!!

In your first interjecting post of #30491, you infer that Princess Fiona's neighbour was *surprisingly* doing the right thing putting nasty letters in her letterbox (according to the first sentence). That's despite contradicting that message that with your third sentence suggesting laws and regulations are to be obeyed (although I suspect you wrote this only with a view to justify such behaviour, and didn't intend for it to be read as universally applying, as it should) - because I'm pretty sure harassing your neighbours, even if you consider yourself to be harassed by them previously, is neither lawful or ethical or wise!


#30491

I suggest that such people might see those using their A/C after hours as improving their lives at the expense of others. It's really a very tricky area. But there are laws and regulations.

You then go on to refer to EPA in SA (post #30495), and EPA in Vic (post #30498) neither of which have any relevance to NSW.


In Post #30947 I point out that by law isn't just one amorphous blob, it is has different levels and different jurisdictions, and is viewed by the legal profession in accordance with its seniority in our legislative framework. Furthermore I state:

And even then, it is the job of the authorised officers of that body to carry out enforcement - not for members of the public to self-appoint themselves for roles they have neither the the proper understanding nor authority to conduct.


These are the drop kicks who tie up considerable public resources and time of actual law enforcement personnel sorting out the almighty messes they make, which believe you me we *don't* thank them for! And it does nothing for community relations either. I wouldn't be rushing to defend their warped world's view - if I were you.

Rather than pay any attention to such reasonable advice, you appear to find challenge to Parliament (lol) where no such position exists. Is this a case of reading what suits you, rather than what's actually there?

Are you saying a state government has no authority?

Or, as you later - surprisingly and without a hint of self-awareness - accuse in post#30511:

It's only you who changed the topic..

Really Austman... Really! Lol.


As I not unreasonably advise in post#30499, I suggest:

Suggest you actually read what was said, the [Vic] EPA doesn't issue council by-laws - at least last time I looked! Neither does it have any legal standing in the OP's state of NSW. It helps not to be a bush lawyer, best stick to relevance and I note you failed to address self-appointees having no legal recognition to conduct enforcement either - you're not one of those are you?

And yes, nowhere in posts up to that point, indeed up to post#30508 in any small way do you show any understanding that unauthorised people playing EPA/Council whatever enforcer is a bad idea. It seems you think that it's not an issue that is important or relevant - despite the harm it can do.


And nothing I have said suggests in any fashion, or contradicts the right of people from making allegations of breaches of the law, to the properly recognised authorities for carrying out such legal enforcement activity as is relevant!


In post #30501 you decide to change the subject to suggest EPA 'regulate' in the sense of having some law making power all by its own authority (and not through the legitimate powers of the State Parliament) - which has nothing to do with people playing cop in their community. Then in post #30502 you throw in EPA NSW which again which has nothing to do with people playing cop in their community, but at least you are now in the right jurisdiction. In post#30504 you debate what the legal meaning of regulate is by referring to a info sheet (highlighting the dangers of bush lawyering - anyone can use Google, but generally the Supreme Court requires more training to become a lawyer lol).


I try to bring you back on point, fruitlessly, in post#30505

The reality has been as it's always been - which is only those people authorised to enforce laws by warrant or appointment are authorised to carry out such duties and amateurs get themselves into considerable trouble and often expensive legal battles by pretending they have the training, competence and again authority​ to self appoint themselves to such roles. It's one step away from putting on a tin foil hat and declaring yourself prince of your driveway.

Clearly I wasted my time, because you again provide a contradictory statement saying it's all about abiding the law, yet apparently completely fine to unlawfully play police man/council officer/EPA employee quoting how you are entitled to take the law into your hands and police your neighbours in post#30508

It's not about being the enforcer, it's about abiding by the law! I deal with these sorts of matters on an almost daily baisis. I'd never personally enforce the law! (unless there was no choice) Heavens !!!

Yet, stupidly I tried again in highlight the dangers of such behaviour in post#30510

Given that people playing self-appointed enforcer can recklessly break the law with trespass, assault ranging up to and including property damage and murder(!) in their unauthorised role, that is very much a good thing.

By your post#30511 I realised you just wanted to have the last word, so despite the blatant hypocrisy of said post, I left you with your tin hat.


But you just couldn't help yourself and went on to keep your angst alive and in Post#30517 even requoted me (and you chose to make out that quellrents haven't taken such minor problems to the nth degree, just to regain some of your deflated ego - shame that). Well, you got what you wished for - and don't you look the sillier for it.

 

[anat0l]

Can't believe I'm less than 1,500 posts off 10,000. Where did the postage go? (Need one of those time graphs that show posts made versus time)

Might have cracked it by now if not by virtue of the Playground-doesn't-count rule. (Got nothing against the rule, though).

Main problem is my title changes at 10,000. I don't know about the other 10,000+ members, but I don't like the title, "Posting Enthusiast". I'd rather stay as a "Senior Member" (and being on here for about 8 years or so now, that's probably pushing into forum-geriatric territory!). (No, mods, don't contact me to join the Moderator team - I can't and won't do it!)

Gonna be interesting until then......

 

[JessicaTam]

Really?....


Edit: not directed at Anat0l

 

[erkpod]

Found this one on FB. GOLD!

 

[mrs.dr.ron]

Just to let everyone know the saga of drrons knee is over !! He finally got his knee replacement done today. He will be outta action for a while

A knee update - Ron is out of bed and walking. So the new knee works

 

[Princess Fiona]

A knee update - Ron is out of bed and walking. So the new knee works

How long before the golf shorts go back on ?

 

[Simo]

A knee update - Ron is out of bed and walking. So the new knee works

Great news...

 

[Simo]

Can't believe I'm less than 1,500 posts off 10,000. Where did the postage go? (Need one of those time graphs that show posts made versus time)

Might have cracked it by now if not by virtue of the Playground-doesn't-count rule. (Got nothing against the rule, though).

Main problem is my title changes at 10,000. I don't know about the other 10,000+ members, but I don't like the title, "Posting Enthusiast". I'd rather stay as a "Senior Member" (and being on here for about 8 years or so now, that's probably pushing into forum-geriatric territory!). (No, mods, don't contact me to join the Moderator team - I can't and won't do it!)

Gonna be interesting until then......

When does Senior Member status happen?

 

[boomy]

Great weather to visit the Sculptors of Victoria exhibition on Herring island.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Another absolutely glorious blue sky day at Whistler Blackcomb today


It's funny to hear all the locals lamenting the lack of snow.
Having had to ski numerous times in Oz on rocks, ice and slush we are very grateful for what there is

 

[anat0l]

When does Senior Member status happen?

5,000 posts if I'm not mistaken.

 

[JohnK]

When does Senior Member status happen?

I think he meant "Established Member"!

 

[Austman]

On air conditioner/neighbour noise.

Well I had better say something to defend myself.

Of course I do not support "self-appointed enforcers" of the law and if any of my posts on that were misleading, I apologise! But it is also important to know the law - because ignorance of it is never an excuse.

On dealing with neighbour noise: In many parts of Australia the first point of contact for dealing with the problem is now authorities like EPAs. Here is what 3 x state EPAs say is the first step to take:

EPA VIC:

The best approach for dealing with noisy neighbours is to talk to them and work together on a solution to settle the problem. You may feel anxious about approaching your neighbour, but remember that they are sometimes not aware they are disturbing you.

EPA NSW:

Try to solve the problem amicably by talking to whoever is causing the noise. Often people do not realise they are being noisy and are happy to work with you to solve the problem as alternatives are frequently available.

EPA SA:

Domestic issues are best resolved by working together with your neighbour. Experience shows that noise issues are often successfully resolved by negotiation between neighbours.

So talk, approach and negotiate is what the EPAs say you should first do. Hopefully your neighbour will not consider this approach to be harassment!

When I say "I deal with these sorts of matters on an almost daily basis" it's because I manage rental properties and sit on Owners Corporation committees. Anyone who does the latter in a OC of any size will know the issue! I deal with the matters (I have to) - I don't enforce them.

E.g. Our latest OC A/C issue: One owner has installed a new A/C compressor on Common Property near the next apartment's bedroom window. All without seeking OC permission. We (the OC committee) have ordered its relocation. But if that's not done quite soon, we know exactly how to progress the issue though the legal system. For those in houses, consider if your neighbour installed an A/C compressor located in or over your property (I know it's not quite the same scenario but it's similar). OC law actually goes beyond EPA rules. In most states/territories residents of an OC have a right to "peaceful enjoyment" and that's 24/7.

And now for an anecdote. Once when dealing with an OC noise issue I actually decided to call our local council to get some advice.
Council: Where do you live?
Me: xx_x Street.
Council: That's an apartment building?
Me: Yes.
Council: You need to contact the Owners Corporation about the issue.
Me: ...

 

[coolumbla]

I picked the right time to spend the arvo by the pool, it's obviously middle age balding fat men hour, so I fit right in, however I won't be doing my best to look like Buddha by taking my shirt off unlike the others, someone might want to rub my tummy for good luck :mrgreen:

substitute greying for bald and i resemble that remark!

 

[mrs.dr.ron]

How long before the golf shorts go back on ?

Good question Princess, he has to be able to carry luggage by May, so maybe before that if he is lucky !

 

[markis10]

substitute greying for bald and i resemble that remark!

Buddha was back yesterday at the same time, however Sunday seems to be Bikini day (not me I should say) based on current observations, more research needed

 

[coolumbla]

No I don't think so. We have particularly officious greeny neighbours (one is stone deaf) who put letters in our mailbox quoting Council Regulations if on the odd 30 plus night we forget to turn off our ducted AC which is positioned at the side of our house adjacent to their boundary fence/property

of course if you lived in the country , you could for instance have 2 industrial air conditioners running all day with the roof sprinklers on and the neighbour won't complain ( they live 1km up the road)

Mrs C always complains in april about the power bill till i point out
2 industriAl aircons
Underground bore pump
Pool pump
Sprinklers

All running all day and night

 

[coolumbla]

Buddha was back yesterday at the same time, however Sunday seems to be Bikini day (not me I should say) based on current observations, more research needed

there are old men in bikinis???

 

[markis10]

there are old men in bikinis???

LOL, no the usual bikini occupants, the old locals were having a bit of a nana nap on the pool outskirts after a long lunch no doubt but they seem to have moved on.