The totally off-topic thread

[Major]

RIP Bart coughmings...a very successful trainer

Bart coughmings: Australian racehorse trainer dies aged 87

 

[Sprucegoose]

Vale Bart. One of the greatest

 

[Sprucegoose]

I think they would be very careful and selective to those they decided not to allow entry to the F lounge in thongs.

J and QP has rules but F. I wonder...

Especially on a F paid ticket

 

[Sprucegoose]

Tooth gone and most of the pain gone with it.

Had laughing gas + sedation + fentanyl + my jaw was numb so I guess had local anesthetic as well which I told them not to give. I remember putting on mask for laughing gas and breathing in/out 4-5 times and don't remember much more. I vaguely recall waking up once during procedure but then out again. Went home by train. Slept for 15-16 hours and still feeling groggy in office now. But glad the pain gone.

Finished a filling as well so hoping not to need dentist again for a long time.

Well done. The longer you leave these things the worse they get in my humble experience.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Going to bipartisan politics (hopefully) and a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum on this topic.

one of the biggest cost increases in recent times had been health care (both public and private).
Part is due to an ageing population, part due to new expensive technology and drugs, part due to the privatisation of healthcare and part I suspect by trying to push technology too far (some statement that half the cost of lifetime healthcare is spent in last twelve months of life)/

In a budget scenario that seems to be getting worse, how do you reduce this cost??

The movement has already started here. A bit later than the UK and US.
Choosing Wisely is looking at low-value healthcare and will attempt to get broad support from the Specialist Colleges for their recommendations.

At least part of the issue is convincing the public that they don't need as many medicines or procedures as they think they need.
I've certainly been on the brunt end of some very difficult conversations where an elderly Grandma's kids want everything done when that is likely to result (at best) in Grandma being discharged to 24/7 care in a nursing home.

I should also say (maybe a bit controversially) that we are spending inordinately large sums with at times poor results at either extremes of life. I suspect that we will never tackle any low-value healthcare at the start of it.

 

[mrs.dr.ron]

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I should also say (maybe a bit controversially) that we are spending inordinately large sums with at times poor results at either extremes of life. I suspect that we will never tackle any low-value healthcare at the start of it.

Totally agree.

 

[amaroo]

We've been on the same MBP policy for 20 odd years, Top Hospital, Blue Ribbon Extras ... they ceased marketing the policy years ago. Anyway, MBP have been lobbying for us to change the policy so "we can save money" - around $1,000 year.

From what I can see they scream about the savings and bigger rebates however, they're pretty coy on the things that get dumped - renal, joints, eyes, etc...

Seems to me the things that are getting dumped are expensive and common.

 

[Pushka]

Going to bipartisan politics (hopefully) and a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum on this topic.

one of the biggest cost increases in recent times had been health care (both public and private).
Part is due to an ageing population, part due to new expensive technology and drugs, part due to the privatisation of healthcare and part I suspect by trying to push technology too far (some statement that half the cost of lifetime healthcare is spent in last twelve months of life)/

In a budget scenario that seems to be getting worse, how do you reduce this cost??

Add to that the costs of all services provided to an ageing population. We need to come to grips with to what extent incredibly expensive medical services are provided to people in their '80's and 90's. And maybe controversial but it was a reflection today with the media being 'shocked' at the death of Bart coughmings who was 87. People saying he hadn't been sick etc. At 87 isn't death almost to be expected just because they are 87?

Most of our income tax goes towards the cost of aged care according to a leaflet provided in my tax return receipt.

Ah Princess Fiona. Seems we are on the same page.

 

[Bundy Bear]

I completed another run in the 10km Bridge to Brisbane this morning, 7 in a row, my average seems to be hovering around the 60 minute mark at least I was under it this year, time around 59 minutes, the results will be in the paper or online in a few days. Perth had their 12km City to Surf on at the same day so I couldn't do both this year.

 

[drron]

Bart coughmings had been ill for at least a couple of years.He also was an asthmatic who was told by his doctor at 16 that he should not go near horses!

And with the discussion about futile care I totally agree that we do a lot of unnecessary things in the last year or so of life.However age itself shouldn't be the criteria for denying care.I have had patients in their 80s and 90s who have been fitter and enjoying a much better quality of life than many in their 50s.

 

[Pushka]

Bart coughmings had been ill for at least a couple of years.He also was an asthmatic who was told by his doctor at 16 that he should not go near horses!

And with the discussion about futile care I totally agree that we do a lot of unnecessary things in the last year or so of life.However age itself shouldn't be the criteria for denying care.I have had patients in their 80s and 90s who have been fitter and enjoying a much better quality of life than many in their 50s.

Agree. My mum was very fit until she had her stroke/arrest at 85. But with age things can go downhill rapidly, but linger.

The issue is not age so much but assessment of likely outcome if the intervention required is significant. And thats the bit that is confronting. People seem to expect to live for ever. And not consider quality of life or that things go wrong.

There is a lady at mum's residential home who is 102 and has all facilities. But I still don't want to live to that age.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Bart coughmings had been ill for at least a couple of years.He also was an asthmatic who was told by his doctor at 16 that he should not go near horses!

And with the discussion about futile care I totally agree that we do a lot of unnecessary things in the last year or so of life.However age itself shouldn't be the criteria for denying care.I have had patients in their 80s and 90s who have been fitter and enjoying a much better quality of life than many in their 50s.

I think you've summed it up perfectly. It's care coming to the end of someone's life that is the one of the main issues. They may not necessarily be awaiting a telegraph from the Queen.

 

[Deleted member]

Definitely. Count me as a definite sale.

Or

I've been to Bali. ......once ..... Not going back !!

 

[Buzzard]

Glad to hear you are OK penegal. I think that you probably did the right thing not confronting your assailant. Who knows what that could lead to.
On a brighter not, congrats on your achievement.

 

[Walter_Plinge]

Unfortunately the third event was not so good. I was robbed on the way back to the office from lunch. Thankfully I am physically fine, and what was stolen is easily replaceable. (I still have my phone and credit cards, etc). From my limited view of the assailant he was a rather gruff individual displaying dilated pupils and was twitching constantly, which to me suggests he was most likely a heavy user of Methamphetamine. Beyond the sensational headlines, the way that drug takes hold is really concerning. In hindsight I probably could have tried to grab the guy or something, but I was too slow. You don't expect to be robbed in Melbourne!

I am still really shaken up, but quite thankful that it could have been much worse. Unfortunately the nature of the crime means that our wonderful friends at the Victoria Police will most likely do nothing apart from filling out the form, and filing it.

That's nasty. What suburb and time of day was it?

Sadly you're right about Vicpol. Unless the crime involves bleeding or speeding 5km over the limit they won't do anything. That's my experience. I gave up acting as bail justice because they were such lazy cough.

Perhaps that's a bit unfair. They know the magistracy is stacked with Labor placemen (and women) and as as result it's not worth charging anyone if the alleged offender is likely to discharged or just slapped on the wrist (which is all too common).

 

[JessicaTam]

That's nasty. What suburb and time of day was it?

Sadly you're right about Vicpol. Unless the crime involves bleeding or speeding 5km over the limit they won't do anything. That's my experience. I gave up acting as bail justice because they were such lazy cough.

Perhaps that's a bit unfair. They know the magistracy is stacked with Labor placemen (and women) and as as result it's not worth charging anyone if the alleged offender is likely to discharged or just slapped on the wrist (which is all too common).

Or that penegal only had a "limited view of the assailant" which would make identifying them difficult.

 

[penegal]

Thanks all for your concern & kind wishes.

Wow, what a mixed bag indeed. Glad you're ok though. People on Ice can behave very unpredictably and often violently !!
Hope you've got a nice bottle decanted tonight.

Yes, it is a horrible drug.

No wine, I actually haven't drunk anything this weekend, just taking it very easy...

 

[penegal]

That's nasty. What suburb and time of day was it?

CBD - Daylight (around 4pm). But it was the King St end of the city

Sadly you're right about Vicpol. Unless the crime involves bleeding or speeding 5km over the limit they won't do anything. That's my experience. I gave up acting as bail justice because they were such lazy cough.

Perhaps that's a bit unfair. They know the magistracy is stacked with Labor placemen (and women) and as as result it's not worth charging anyone if the alleged offender is likely to discharged or just slapped on the wrist (which is all too common).

Yeah, unfortunately petty theft is a difficult crime for them to do much about. Unless they are caught red handed, or confess, it is difficult to build a successful prosecution, that's if they can find the offender at all.

Or that penegal only had a "limited view of the assailant" which would make identifying them difficult.

I think I saw enough to recognise him again... maybe... But frankly I don't particularly want to see that individual again... Ever!

 

[amaroo]

Noticed this over on FT FlyerTalk Forums - View Single Post - Noma Diners Needed -- Nov 12

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[TD="class: alt1"]Noma Diners Needed -- Nov 12

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Hello,

My wife and I have a 6-person table reserved at noma on November 12 at 19:30. We are looking for 4 diners to join our table. We are in our late 20s/early 30s and will be on our first visit to Copenhagen. Please respond below if you are interested. Thanks![/TD]
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Note; I don't know the OP ... just thought someone here might be able to take advantage. If I was in the region - I'd go for it! Unfortunately, it's 6 weeks too early for us

 

[Bundy Bear]

Fremantle beat Melbourne 108-54 and are the minor premiers with a game to spare, after the Adelaide Crows beat the West Coast Eagles. Hawthorn are still the team to beat.
Am I a bad fan if I didn't finish watching the match to the end and instead went and watched the film Holding The Man, a sad ending to that film that was based on a true story, more from wiki.