medhead
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Think it's time to go back to ignore. Enough insults.
Please spare me this nonsense. It is not an insult to repeat your oft stated view that opinion is more important than science.
Game, set and match - a truly unplayable serve!
But I seem to recall some black science mumbo jumbo (often paid for by the industry bodies themselves) saying that all of the following had NO harmful side-affects on living people:
- Asbestos
- Smoking
- 245T
- 245DT
- Thalidomide
- Aluminium
- Lead
- Fenfluramine/phentermine (Fen-Phen) - After 24 years on the market - It is estimated that as many as 6.5 million people took it to help fight obesity. After consumers began experiencing heart disease and other pulmonary problems, the FDA set the recall in motion. American Lawyer reported that more than 50,000 Fen-Phen victims have filed suits against Fen-Phen’s maker Wyeth, and legal expenses combined with awards may have exceeded $21 billion.
- Diethylstilbestrol (DES) - It was not until 1971 before it was connected to a rare tumor that kept appearing in the daughters of women who had taken it.
- Cerivastatin (Baycol) - Baycol, prescribed to patients as a treatment for high cholesterol, is reportedly responsible for more than 100,000 deaths and about as many lawsuits.
- Rofecoxib (Vioxx) 5 years on the market - Vioxx, prescribed to more than 20 million people as a pain reliever for arthritis, was found to be responsible for increased risk of heart attack and stroke. Both Merck and the FDA were roundly criticized for ignoring evidence of the dangers of Vioxx before its eventual recall.
- Valdecoxib (Bextra) - 1 year on the market - Pharmacia & UpJohn Company was fined $1.195 billion, in addition to legal awards, after admitting to criminal wrongdoing, specifically with ‘intent to defraud or mislead’ in relation to the promotion of the drug.
- Troglitazone (Rezulin) - 1 year on the market - Rezulin, an anti-diabetic and anti-inflammatory drug, was eventually found to be causally connected with hepatitis.
- Able Laboratories Generic Prescription Drugs - Some drugs were found to be too potent; others not potent enough. Moreover, four of its managers were found to have fraudulently distributed misbranded and adulterated drugs.
- Terfenadine (Seldane) - 13 years on the market - The FDA sought a recall from the manufacturer after cases of cardiac arrhythmia (abnormal electrical activity in the heart) appeared in patients taking Seldane with other drugs. The recall is notable mostly for its scale; more than 100 million patients worldwide used Terfenandine as of 1990.
- Phenylpropanolamine (PPA) - over 60 years on the market - For decades it was used for everything from dieting to cold medication to treatment of psychological disorders, existing in a kind of limbo where it was neither banned nor fully endorsed. That is, until an analysis by Yale University in 2000 recognized its connection with cardiac events and stroke, particularly in women.
- Mibefradil (Posicor) - In only one year on the market, Posicor was linked to 123 deaths. Considered relatively safe when taken alone, Posicor became potentially deadly when combined with any of 25 different drugs. The large number of deaths are troublesome considering that the drug was prescribed to no more than 200,000 people worldwide in the space of one year, a relatively small number. Posicor is on this list for stimulating debate surrounding policies encouraging the FDA to hasten the approval of certain drugs. It is often cited as a strong example of what can go wrong when drugs are rushed to market.
This list is a bit out-of date. (Don't mention the Statins...)
Very other of date list, including a number of items that were never designed as medical treatment or have never been through the modern medical research process. Therefore relevance is questionable.
Regardless of whether you feel that the use of stem cell technology is safe to use, others have the right to choose a different path and IMO it's nothing to do with "science black magic' which i think is a bit disingenuous. If I was offered part in a trial for a serious disease (which thankfully I don't have) I would think long and hard and read up as much as I could before deciding. If I had tried most other things I probably would elect to go the stem cell way but others have the right to pass on this option and it's none of my business - they have that right as John K does. He is not convinced that the technology is safe yet. Likewise I can accept your view on the technology that for you there is no issue.
The issue is the claim that medical research is treating someone like a guinea pig. Science does not just randomly inject stuff into people. Studies are undertaken to demonstrate safety. One example given is trying a drug that did nothing to help a person's condition. There are so many problems with that anecdote: Did the person get the actual agent or a placebo? Was the agent part of an approved trial? If so how were they able to choose to stop taking it after a number of years? Where they instead buying something available to the public that was marketing as a cure?
So I have every right to take issue with such attempts to attack and diminish the scientific process, to undermine that process on nothing more than opinion. Objecting to that false attack, absolutely is not an attempt to deny someone's right to choose, or to make an informed decision. In fact informed consent is specifically part of the research process. It is disingenuous to say that my rejection of an uninformed blanket rejection of all research is an attempt to deny people information or free choice.